India Plans to Buy Fire Scout Through FMS

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    India is planning to issue a letter of request to the U.S. government for a U.S. foreign military sale (FMS) of Northrop Grumman’s MQ-8B Fire Scout vertical takeoff unmanned aerial system (VTUAS).

    The Indian government is expected to send a request via the U.S. Embassy for FMS clearance, as “the technology is not for release,” an Indian navy official says.
    Northrop has made presentations on the system over the past few years to the Indian navy and army.

    With homegrown insurgency a big concern in India, interest has emerged for the Airborne Standoff Minefield Detection System (Astamids), which has been demonstrated on Fire Scout.

    “The insurgents lay mines to be remotely triggered four inches below the roads in the Eastern states of India,” an army official says. “The algorithms to locate IEDs [improvised explosive devices] through processing Astamids imagery will prove a boon to the paramilitary forces having to cope with this problem.”


    The sensor’s primary function is to detect minefields in support of mobile ground forces in day and night conditions. It uses quad-prism aperture-splitting technology with the aid of an integrated illuminator and target laser rangefinder and designator. The 75-lb. electro-optical infrared/multi-spectral imaging payload can detect surface-emplaced and recently buried patterned mines, as well as randomly scattered mines. The payload also can be expanded to detect obstacles, combat vehicles, camouflaged objects and other combat targets.

    With the support of the U.S. Navy, Northrop and its industry partners completed a set of Fire Scout flight demonstrations in the United Arab Emirates on July 14. The demonstrations included numerous takeoffs and landings in hot, windy and sandy conditions in temperatures as high as 47 deg. C (117 degrees F). The VTUAS also conducted various test flights at altitudes up to 3,000 meters (9,800 ft.). These demonstration missions included non-line-of-sight operations that showcased Fire Scout’s ability to operate autonomously in remote locations, and its FLIR Systems electro-optical/infrared sensing capabilities used to locate and acquire targets, according to a statement. The flights also demonstrated the vehicle’s real-time imagery-transmission capability.

    Based on a Schweizer Aircraft commercial helicopter airframe, the Fire Scout incorporates reliable turbine power (160 million flight hours) using standard NATO heavy fuel.

    Meanwhile, the Indian government’s decision to convert its Alouette III light utility helicopters — known in India as the Chetak helicopter — into UAVs is in abeyance for the moment. A year and a half ago, there was a plan for the Chetak to be fitted with the sensor suite of the Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) Heron UAV and an IAI-developed, bolt-on flight control package.

    Chetak has been primarily in service with the Indian air force in training, light transport, casualty evacuation, communications and liaison roles.


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    India plans to buy Fire Scout

    The constant rise in homegrown insurgency has led India to send a request via the U.S Embassy for foreign military sale (FMS) clearance of Northrop Grumman’s MQ-8B Fire Scout vertical takeoff unmanned aerial system (VTUAS).

    While the US major Northrop Grumman has made presentations to the Indian Navy and Indian Army in the past, the new-found interest for the Airborne Standoff Minefield Detection System (Astamids), which has been demonstrated on Fire Scout, has been the primary reason for India for its acquisition. A letter of request for FMS has been sent to the U.S government.

    According to Indian Army, the “Astamids” are undoubtedly the most prolific system to locate mines. The mines, which can be remotely triggered, are embedded four inches below the roads in the insurgency areas of the Indian eastern border.

    The algorithms to locate improvised explosive devices through processing “Astamids” imagery will help the paramilitary forces in their counter-insurgency operations. The sensor primarily detects minefields in support of mobile ground forces in day and night conditions. A host of advanced technologies are assimilated in the system to detect surface-emplaced and recently buried patterned mines, as well as randomly scattered mines.

    For India, the Fire Scout M-8B fits the bill in terms of current and future defence scenarios. The MQ-8B Fire Scout is capable of autonomous take off and landing on any aviation warship and at prepared and unprepared landing sites. With its ability to detect, identify, and target tactical threats at sea or ashore, the Fire Scout is the ideal platform to meet India’s rigid surveillance requirements. Fire Scout’s ability to fly multiple payloads such as radar and electro-optical/infrared sensors allows downlink of broad area surveillance and target-specific full motion video to decision makers.

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    MQ-8B Fire Scout

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    Northrop Grumman's Transformational Fire Scout Vertical Takeoff and Landing Tactical Unmanned Aerial Vehicle system provides unprecedented situation awareness and precision targeting support for U.S. Armed Forces of the future.

    The MQ-8B Fire Scout has the ability to autonomously take off and land on any aviation-capable warship and at prepared and unprepared landing zones in proximity to the soldier in contact.

    Autonomous operations from all air-capable ships
    >8 hours continuous system on station coverage
    Ceiling and airspeed: 20,000 ft, 125 + kts
    >5 hours on station time (single vehicle) at 110 nm
    Target location error < 12 m CEP
    Interoperability through Tactical Control System (TCS) software and STANAG 4586 Compliance Payload Features
    Modular Mission Payloads (MMP)
    Plug and play product
    Baseline MMP capability
    EO/IR laser range finder designator
    Voice/data communication relay
    600 pound lift capacity
    Growth payloads
    COMINT/SIGINT, Tactical Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR/MTI), Joint Tactical Radio System (JTRS), Traffic Collision Avoidance System (TCAS), SATCOM,Sonobuoy delivery, expendables employment, threat countermeasures, mine detection, etc.
    System Needs:

    Providing organic Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance, and Targeting (ISR/T) capabilities
    Provides Over The Horizon (OTH) targeting
    Provides "real- time" Battle Damage Assessment
    Implements network centric warfare concepts with communications relay capability
    Defense IT Standard Registry/Joint Technical Architecture (DISR/JTA) compliant
    Fully interoperable between land and sea-based Tactical Control Systems
    Legacy of High Reliability:
    Based on a Schweizer Aircraft commercial airframe with over 20 million flight hours, the Fire Scout vehicle incorporates reliable turbine power (160 million flight hours) using standard NATO heavy fuel. Leveraging from this FAA certified aircraft with commonality of over 50 percent of the mechanical parts, the servicing and logistical processes are well known, proven and documented. This "low risk" approach for the airframe allows effective maturation of the entire system within a short development schedule.

    http://www.as.northropgrumman.com/products/mq8bfirescout_navy/index.html
     
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    Northrop Grumman MQ-8B Fire Scout



    MQ-8B Fire Scout testing on the USS McInerney

     
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    Fire Scout Successfully Completes Testing Under Extreme Environmental Conditions

    Northrop Grumman's Fire Scout Vertical Unmanned System Successfully Completes Testing Under Extreme Environmental Conditions

    ABU DHABI, UAE, July 14, 2010 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- With the support of the United States Navy, Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE:NOC) and its industry partners (Sikorsky/Schweizer, Rolls-Royce, Raytheon, FLIR Systems, Cubic, Kearfott, Rockwell-Collins, General Electric, Sierra Nevada, Telephonics, and L-3 Communications) today successfully completed a rigorous set of flight demonstrations of the MQ-8B Fire Scout vertical unmanned aerial system (VUAS) in the United Arab Emirates under extreme environmental conditions.

    The test flights were conducted in early July over a ten day period in the United Arab Emirates. They validated Fire Scout's steady system maturation and helped signal its readiness for the U.S. Navy's upcoming Operational Evaluation of the system, planned for late 2010 aboard the USS Halyburton (FFG-40).

    "We welcome Northrop Grumman and the U.S. Navy to the UAE for continued testing of the Fire Scout," said Ali Al Yafei of ADASI (Abu Dhabi Autonomous Systems Investment). "As a VUAS, Fire Scout has many unique capabilities to offer and we're looking forward to reviewing the results of this in-country testing."

    The Fire Scout demonstrations included numerous takeoffs and landings in hot, windy and sandy conditions in temperatures as high as 47 degrees Celsius (117 degrees Fahrenheit). The VUAS also conducted various test flights at altitudes up to 3,000 meters (9,842 feet) . These demonstration missions included non-line-of-sight operations that showcased Fire Scout's ability to operate autonomously in remote locations, and its FLIR Systems electro-optical/infrared (EO/IR) sensing capabilities used to locate and acquire targets.

    Video imagery from the testing was presented today at a post-testing event to an audience of interested multi-national government agencies, and domestic and international media. The imagery, a compilation of video produced by Fire Scout's sensors during field trials, demonstrated the VUAS's real-time imagery-transmission capability, a vital element of the intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance missions it performs for military forces.

    "Today's demonstration was very impressive and reinforces the continued maturation of the Fire Scout system and its capabilities," said John Brooks, president of Northrop Grumman International Inc. "Northrop Grumman thanks the UAE for being such a gracious host and offering us the opportunity to test Fire Scout in the extreme heat of summer. The UAE represents an important partnership for Northrop Grumman and our customers internationally demand the best. We are committed to continuing to meet and exceed their expectations."

    The only U.S. Department of Defense VUAS program of record, Fire Scout is a mature, flexible and reliable system whose capabilities can serve as a true force multiplier.

    "The capabilities that Fire Scout delivers to warfighters really stood out today," said Duke Dufresne, sector vice president and general manager for the Strike and Surveillance Systems Division of Northrop Grumman's Aerospace Systems sector. "It's clear from this demonstration that Fire Scout can do exactly what it's designed to do: extend the range at which we can gather crucial information during peacekeeping or wartime missions."

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    Indian Navy For New Rotory-UAVs

    The Navy today published an RFI to support a potential buy of VTOL UAVs -- really, rotory-wing shipborne UAVs. The Navy supports the IAI-HAL Chetak-based NRUAV programme, but has identified the need for the capability before the tentative timeframe offered by IAI and HAL to operationalise the NRUAV. The Northrop-Grumman MQ-8 Fire Scout is a certain contender.

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    Indian navy once rejected the fire scout UAV. Yeah fire scout can do wonders for Rashtriya rifles in anti terror operations.
     
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    Yeah. But maybe they hoped too much out of Chetak platform. And now stuck with delays so speeding this procurement.

    Indeed it can. But any idea on encryption level of feed from Fire Scout? I am looking out.
     
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    here's a competitor(schiebel s 100) being tested in the Arabian sea by our own nausena anybody here know why we didn't go for this baby?

     
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    DRDO.

    They must have seen this and thought, ahh that looks easy, we could put an Hero Honda Engine and few cameras and do it for a cheaper price! DRDO does it all the time by stalling purchase and trying to do it at home.
     
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    True. It was some 2 years ago. But even Pakistan Navy, French also tested it on their vessels.

    Maybe IN wants a distinguished platform. That is why they are constantly pursuing Chetak's VTOL UAV option. Although the news coming in is that Fire Scout might be primarily used for Naxal affected & JK border region in the beginning that brings doubts on IN's involvement in Fire Scout.
     
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    Because PN is supposed to get these in dozens...Plus Turkey operate these...
     
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    Lost Navy UAV Enters Washington Airspace

    U.S. Navy operators lost control of an unmanned aircraft earlier this month and were unable to regain control before the aircraft entered restricted airspace around the U.S. capital.

    According to a Navy statement, the incident took place Aug. 2 when, about 75 minutes into a routine test flight, an MQ-8B Fire Scout unmanned helicopter operating out of the Patuxent River test facilities in southern Maryland lost its control link with ground operators.

    The aircraft then flew about 23 miles on a north-by-northwest course and entered the National Capital Region restricted airspace, part of the Air Defense Identification Zone surrounding Washington, D.C.

    Incursions into the restricted airspace are not uncommon, according to the Government Accountability Office, but most violations are committed by general aviation pilots.

    Navy operators shifted to another ground control station, according to the statement by Firescout program manager Capt. Tim Dunigan, and restored the control link with the aircraft, which was commanded to return to Webster Field in southern Maryland. The aircraft landed without damage or having incurred any injuries.

    Although the Fire Scout has racked up more than 1,000 flight hours since December 2006, this was the first such incident to hit the program, the Navy said.

    The cause appears to have been "a software anomaly that allowed the aircraft not to follow its pre-programmed flight procedures," Dunigan said in the statement. "We have identified the issue and have aircraft operating restrictions that will prevent this from happening again."

    Software modification has been developed to remove the anomaly, he said.

    Fire Scout flight operations were suspended following the incident pending results of an investigation.

    "We are in the final stages of the investigation and plan on briefing leadership next week," Dunigan said in the statement released Aug. 25. "We anticipate resuming flight operations in early September."

    Developed by Northrop Grumman, the Fire Scout is intended to provide surveillance and reconnaissance data to Navy warships, including Littoral Combat Ships and other surface combatants.

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    The PN is only getting these cos we refused!the question is why did we refuse?
     
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    ^^ Because We were interested in Fire scout in less no. and our own JV with Israel...I think this is a wise decision which IN has made.
     
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    Fire Scout Incident Called 'Learning Experience'


    The flight of a U.S. Navy unmanned helicopter into restricted airspace near the nation's capital after operators lost control of the aircraft was a "learning experience" that is unlikely to hurt efforts to integrate unmanned planes into commercial airspace, industry and military officials said.

    Operators lost the control link with the Northrop Grumman MQ-8B Fire Scout during an Aug. 2 test flight from a Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., facility. The unmanned aircraft continued on a north-by-northwest heading for about 30 minutes and entered National Capital Region airspace, Capt. Tim Dunigan, the Navy's Fire Scout program manager, said in a statement.

    When the Fire Scout was about 40 miles from Washington, D.C., operators shifted to another ground control station, re-established the control link and directed the aircraft to return to Webster Field in Maryland, Dunigan said.

    The problem was identified as a "software anomaly," Dunigan said, and a modification has been developed to correct the issue.

    Rob Murphy, the Navy's integrated products team leader for the Fire Scout program, said the incident will help the public gain a better understanding of unmanned aircraft.

    "Folks who really didn't understand how they work will now get a better understanding of the safeguards that are in place and a better knowledge of the engineering rigor that goes into the systems," Murphy said at the Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International (AUVSI) conference in Denver.

    "The systems are well laid out," he said. "The operators did lose communication, but they were able to regain it. The system operated like it was supposed to."

    David Vos, senior director of unmanned aerial systems for Rockwell Collins and a member of AUVSI's Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Advocacy Committee, described the incident as a "collective learning experience." He said the Fire Scout case demonstrates "how you can completely, successfully mitigate such an event with a really good outcome and get the airplane safely on the ground again."

    The incident is unlikely to set back efforts to determine Federal Aviation Administration regulations for flying unmanned aircraft in national airspace, Vos said.

    "I'm pretty confident that despite these little hiccups, that this decade is … when unmanned aerial systems really begin to find their way into commercial airspace," he said.

    The unmanned aircraft industry, he said, needs "all the cultural elements and different groups involved to stop being fearful and start moving along" on the commercial airspace issue.

    Fire Scout test flights were suspended after the incident but are expected to resume in early September, Dunigan said.


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    Fire Scout for IN

     
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    India outlines mini VTOL-UAV requirement

    Can Fire Scout also fulfill IAF's new requirement?
     
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    No, man. Check out the specs on the Fire Scout:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_MQ-8_Fire_Scout

    and then compare them with IA's requirements. IA is looking for a simple and small platform that weighs just 10 kgs and is battery operated, probably something like these:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayraktar_Mini_UAV

    http://www.aeronautics-sys.com/orbiter_mini_uav_muas

    http://defense-update.com/products/s/skylark1-uav.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZALA_421-12

    http://www.iai.co.il/33807-34720-en/Groups_Military_Aircraft_MALAT_Products_Bird_Eye_400.aspx

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/02/10/338193/iai-unveils-bird-eye-650-uav.html
     

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