India, Pakistan Remain Lacking in Nuclear Security

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  1. W.G.Ewald

    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    India, Pakistan Remain Lacking in Nuclear Security | The Diplomat
     
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    prohumanity Regular Member

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    Who is talking...the G-7 racist country club members..thru the diplomat..the paid tabloid.
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    India's failure due to European racism. Yup, that'll play well here.

     
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    angeldude13 Lestat De Lioncourt Senior Member

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    This report sound BS to me.
    Who the hell is Netherlands???
    They don't have nukes and they don't have the hostile neighborhood that India is in.
    So they should shut up.
    No terrorista ever will lay his hands on Indian nuke.
    Don't know and don't care about amreeki and nether nukes.
     
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    Is US Nuclear Security 100%??:thumb: wish they have not passed any weapon technology to jihadis in 80's agaisn the Soviet:lol::scared2:
     
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    Interesting article. Will you please share how the nuclear security trustworthiness factor is decided?

    Speaking of nuclear security, wasn't the 2nd in command of US nuclear arsenal suspended for gambling?

    Certainly makes one wonder that how come some countries get away with lapses and be not featured in such criticism yet others are being targeted over and over when it comes to nuclear security?

    Like US for instance :

    Air Force general in charge of nuclear weapons removed for lack of trust: defense officials - NBC News

    Air Force general in charge of nuclear weapons removed for lack of trust: defense officials

    A top general in charge of the U.S. Air Force's arsenal of nuclear ballistic missiles has been relieved of his command due to loss of trust, defense officials told NBC News.

    Air Force officials said Maj. Gen. Michael Carey was fired for “personal misbehavior” while on temporary duty at an unspecified location outside his usual command. The officials would not describe the behavior, other than to say that it did not involve any sexual improprieties, drug use, gambling, or criminal conduct.


    Another one :

    Second-in-command of the country's nuclear arsenal is suspended as he is investigated for GAMBLING | Mail Online


    Second-in-command of the country's nuclear arsenal is suspended as he is investigated for GAMBLING

    The No. 2 officer at the military command in charge of all U.S. nuclear war-fighting forces has been suspended and is under investigation by the Naval Criminal Investigation Command for issues related to gambling, officials said Saturday.

    The highly unusual action against a high-ranking officer at U.S. Strategic Command was made more than three weeks ago but not publicly announced.

    Air Force Gen. Robert Kehler, the commander of Strategic Command, suspended the deputy commander, Navy Vice Adm. Tim Giardina, from his duties on Sept. 3.

    He is still assigned to the command but is prohibited from performing duties related to nuclear weapons and other issues requiring a security clearance, she said
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    Why does it matter what the US, EU, Aliens think about the safety of our nukes? What matters is whether we are satisfied? What do you expect from these racist pigs??
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    The 2014 Nuclear Security Summit is being held in the Hague, which is in the Netherlands.

    Why do you want to be so profoundly ignorant?

    No, the real question is, why is the profound ignorance displayed by you and a few others tolerated by DFI?
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    What I said to angeldude12
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    You should share your opinion with the government of India. I am sure they would like to hear from such a concerned citizen as you.
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    From the article:
     
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    The fact that he was removed is an indication of concern about security. That would be a good thing.
     
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    The report is not BS and cannot be dismissed summarily as western crap.

    I read their 150 page report an now they arrive at the score.

    I put up the question on the low score to Indian MEA who released India's statement at the summit and he didn't reply.

    Only Iran and North Korea are worse than us.
     
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    In fact I've been discussing why India is not more transparent and very secretive about our nuclear program. As we aspire to be a "great nation" we will have to act like one. We need to have process in place where we declare our stockpile (civil), our locations (civil) etc and I also say that we should come to a conclusion of what minimum credible deterrence means and put a number to it under the current threat perception and not give a vague we will respond with unacceptable damage thing. This threat perception should be reviewed say every two years as we build our stockpile. If we declare the number of warheads, the type and their yields, the enemy will also feel "assured" and "confident" of our program and we can build confidence building measures to reduce chance of nuclear conflict.
     
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    And about the nuclear trust related incidents of US military? One key figure in charge of nuclear facilities is relieved of command due to "trust and safety" issues and other suspended for gambling certainly puts nuclear security at risk.

    Where is the criticism over that since it relates to key areas of the report?

    More specifically, this key area from the "report" :

    ADDRESSING A SHARED GLOBAL THREAT
    Because any catastrophe involving a nuclear weapon
    would be global in scope, countries with weapons-usable
    nuclear materials have a responsibility to secure all those
    materials and to provide assurances to others that build
    confidence in the effectiveness of their security
     
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    Even better would be to keep a nuclear launch code as "00000000" which the US did for so many years. :)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2515598/Launch-code-US-nuclear-weapons-easy-00000000.html

    Dial 00000000 for Armageddon. US’s top secret launch nuclear launch code was frighteningly simple

    For nearly 20 years, the secret code to authorize launching U.S. nuclear missiles, and starting World War III, was terrifyingly simple and even noted down on a checklist.

    From 1962, when John F Kennedy instituted PAL encoding on nuclear weapons, until 1977, the combination to fire the devastating missiles at the height of the Cold War was just 00000000.

    This was chosen by Strategic Air Command in an effort to make the weapons as quick and as easy to launch as possible, as reported by Today I Found Out.

    This claimed that it would take just four people working together to launch nuclear missiles from the silos he had worked in.
     
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    Mr Ewald, I am really trying to be a nice guy here, lest I am banned again. Please refrain from provoking me, I request you sincerely.
     
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    This is the breakdown for US nuclear security scorecard, an area of interest being considered here is "Insider Threat Prevention".

    Considering the recent personnel infractions who were in charge of US nuclear arsenal, what seems interesting is that all of areas related to that in the scorecard is 3 (which I assume is highest trustworthiness factor for vetting personnel).

    If someone can explain how this is calculated and clarify the whole scoring process, it would be great.

    While accountability and detailed analysis may be useful to examine pain points due to such reports, to think that such reports are the gospel of nuclear security is incorrect.

    Many nations who supposedly are superior in "nuclear practices" did invade countries where no WMDs were found, tried to block nuclear programs of developing nations (CTBT anyone?) and so on.

    So to assume that certain countries when score poorly means they really suck is plain wrong considering the credibility of nations who back such reports .
     
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    What I am suggesting is that the actions you mention (the relief from command and suspension) are indicators that nuclear security is taken seriously by those responsible for the oversight of US nuclear facilities.
     
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