India needs a leader like Putin

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  1. abirbec04

    abirbec04 Regular Member

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    Tarun Vijay

    The dusk that begins with the arrival of Vladimir Putin must see a dawn of greater defence. The biggest asset of the Russian prime minister, who arrives in New Delhi today, is decision making. He is a no-nonsense go-getter and a staunch believer in annihilating enemies. He has a definite business agenda and no Taj Mahal photo ops this time.


    His list includes commercial contracts for the joint development of fifth generation fighter and multi-role transport aircraft. An agreement to sell India additional 29 Mig-29 Ks carrier-based fighter jets costing $1.12 billion-plus for the Indian Navy. Aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov., which got into controversies for the delay and finally raising the cost, will be discussed and delivery route finalized. Russia’s fifth-generation fighter aircraft developed by Sukhoi Corporation is on the shopping list of the Indian Air Force (IAF), which would acquire 50 single-seater fighters and would induct 200 more two-seater fighters around 2016, according to reports. Under the 2007 intergovernmental agreement, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) has been identified as the nodal agency for the project and a commercial deal on setting up a JV is expected to be finalized during Putin’s visit. And much more. Here are a few points doled out by government sources and lapped by observers from various quarters:


    Defence

    Russia will sign defence deals worth $4 billion (over Rs 18,140 crore). India and Russia will invest $600 million (about Rs 2,720 crore) to set up a joint venture to produce a medium-lift transport aircraft for the armed forces. The final agreement for a $600-million joint venture between Bangalore-based state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) and Russia’s United Aircraft Cooperation (UAC) to make new-generation fighter planes. According to the delivery agreement for Admiral Gorshkov, New Delhi would shell out an additional $2.35 billion for the upgrade of the carrier and training of Indian naval crews.


    Space

    An agreement on detailed cooperation on the development of a new generation of satellites linked to the Russian Glonas navigation system.


    Nuclear

    Separate commercial contracts for two more civil nuclear reactors of 1,000 MW each would also be signed during the visit, for the Kudankulam site in Tamil Nadu, where Russia is already building two reactors and had promised to build another two. This brings the number of reactors at Kudankulam to six (at 1,000 MW each). Another site, at Haripur in West Bengal, had already been allotted to the Russians, with the accompanying promise that they could build six more reactors there.



    Moscow had, in fact, already agreed to provide nuclear reprocessing and that the language of the Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA), initialled by the two PMs during Manmohan Singh’s visit to Moscow in December – the same agreement will now be signed between the two sides — allows for its sale and transfer.



    Commerce

    Other agreements include two MoUs on cooperation in joint ventures in pharmaceuticals, and an agreement on standardization in pharmaceuticals. When Putin meets Manmohan Singh he would oversee the signing of more than $10 billion in deals. Definitely this long awaited thaw in the India-Russia relations is a result of a well pursued diplomacy by Manmohan Singh and the credit should go to him. He has visited Russia six times during his tenure as the Prime Minister. The present Putin visit and the high-profile strategic accords on the agenda are the result of a series of talks and efforts. We were looked upon as part of the American camp, not to be trusted as an independent Asian entity. The traditional warmth between Russia and India was waning and Moscow saw Delhi as a part of the US gameplan to divide the planet into a two polar unit. In Moscow, Manmohan Singh declared that the India-Russia friendship was "rock solid" and "time tested". Foreign secretary Nirupama Rao described the chemistry between Manmohan and Putin aptly: "They are on the same page on Afghanistan, Pakistan and other global issues like economic downturn and climate change."


    Putin expressed “solidarity and support” for India’s concerns on Jihadi terrorism and endorsed India's contention that Pakistan was yet to bring to justice the perpetrators of Mumbai terror attack.


    "The joint declaration at Moscow in 2004 had expressed Putin’s support of Indian candidacy in an expanded UN Security Council and New Delhi’s 'full membership in the SCO' recognizing that the Shanghai Cooperation Organization is 'an important regional organization promoting peace and stability and fostering economic development in the region'."


    Agreed all this is not just radiant with a white area of angels. A series of MiG crashes, dubiously earning them the nickname of flying coffins, corruption and bribes in deals, pushing old, outdated machinery and endless delays in the supplies of vital parts to the defence sector are the flip side of this otherwise "time tested" friendship. But whose responsibility is it anyway to have the corrective measure taken, ensure transparency and buy hardware on our terms? Neither Putin nor Obama can be entrusted to guarantee India's defence. It needs an Indian character. If we have it , show and move ahead. If not, don't complain.


    The regrown closeness is certainly helpful to India in keeping its balance of power in favour of national interests. Too much closeness with the US has never helped us. With China getting aggressive by the day and Pakistan not knowing what to do with its withering state as Washington and Taliban both stake major claims in its running, India has to find dependable and long-term allies, a gap which Russia fulfils maturely. Its fight against the terrorist elements is a lesson for us. Putin became a hero in his home not just for nothing. He saved Russia from the mass annihilators and brought back the Russian confidence. Young, sporty and at times vicious, he holds the key to multipolarism the world needs today. There is hardly is other world leader who can stand up to the US hegemonic attitude.


    India is facing its worst crisis of terrorism in a spineless manner. Blasts after blasts, attacks after attacks have become a routine affair. In such a scenario what India needs is a leader like Putin who can not only use strong language but also take harshest possible steps to root out terrorism while taking all sections of society along without being revengeful to common citizens in whatever way. He has also introduced special measures to develop Muslim-dominated areas in Russia where he found lack of infrastructure is also one reason pushing locals into jihadi groups. Last week he was in Russia’s Ingushetia region to announce projects worth $1.44 billion through 2016 to develop the region which is considered a violent area where according to analysts poverty is also pushing civilians to join Islamist rebels. Last December after the train blast in Moscow, he reassured the public that the authorities would act "very harshly" against rebel groups, and took a vow to "break the spine" of terrorism. Before that during the G8 summit press conference in early 2008, his answer to a question from a French journalist stunned everyone into silence.

    FRENCH JOURNALIST: "...Don't you think that by trying to eradicate terrorism in Chechnya you are going to eradicate the civilian population of Chechnya?"

    VLADIMIR PUTIN: "If you want to become an Islamic fundamentalist and be circumcised, come to Moscow. We are multiconfessional. We have very good specialists. I can recommend one for the operation. He'll make sure nothing grows back."

    He may be called an extremist. But in times like these it's better to be one rather than hold meaningless candles and keep counting body bags of those whose protection was your duty.

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indus-calling/entry/india-needs-a-leader-like
     
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    tarunraju Moderator Moderator

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    Narendra Modi will be that, if given a ride to the PMO.
     
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    Deng Xiaoping is more fit for india than Putin.
     
  5. icecoolben

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    No thanks, I don't want a strong man holding my arms and legs all the time.

    U should read Putin's Russia to understand if ur whim is worth the price. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin%27s_Russia

    i would gladly ask Defence Minister Antony to butt out and appoint putin
     
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    P.V. Narsimha Rao is India's Deng Xiaopeng. Unfortunately, he's far more underrated than Deng, even in India.
     
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    guy, Since Sovet's collpased, Russia's industry chains has been eroded and been declining.Russia economy becomes more and more S-arabiazed and depends on oil more and more day by day.

    Putin has not revived the base of Russia's national power base- Industry chains.

    the national power of one country is not based on how many weapons stock the country has,but how many weapons the country can produce/how fast it is!
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    Everytime a foreign leader comes to our country they act like sales managers and sell us a lot of their goods..What do we sell them in return? Why do we act like we have nothing to offer? Ask them to open up their IT areas for more out-sourcing etc.,

    I have a feeling we end up selling short every time.

    I think this is an good time for an Indian company to buy up a Russian car company like Lada for a decent price and use it as base to export to Europe. Indian economy has over taken Russia and i hope we over take all the rest of the midgets soon.
     
  9. vishal_lionheart

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    Indian Leader should be act at International Level like DABANG
     
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    Narendra Modi is the answer unfortunately leftist,sickularist and other pussies will do their best to stop that afterall if NAMO gets elected how will they go on with usual business "promoting their vested interest first"
     
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    modi is all show and no action when it comes to war...dont put him on such high pedestal. one thing that he has mastered is good pr skills.

    if anything he has blood of Indians on his hand...no matter from which community.

    leftists are pussies ? :emot15: if anything the leftists have killed more people in the world in the past century....only pussies are Indian leftist politicians and you can group them with Indian right wing politicians aswell since all politicians are pussies and in it for themselves.
     
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    Everyone knows how Putin crushed Chechnya's Jihad with an iron fist. Now there are some minor attacks here and there but no one has the b@!!$ there to stage an uprising like that. The situation in J&K is shameful that it is happening in a country that has the 4th largest firepower on this planet.
     
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    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    And the more worrying thing is that if govt did things sincerely then we wouldn't even need iron fist to settle things.

    It is indecisiveness and lack of foresight that is costing us not to mention corruption where money doesn't reach where it is supposed to. (you know this is true since you're from north east)
     
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    India needs leader like Narendra Modi, but i doubt he will try to get there as he is more than satisfied in serving Gujarat, Gujarat is his sole aim. As i am a Gujarati and live in Gujarat, i see his works, his style to work and his foresight of future developmental projects.
    No doubt he is the only leader India wants to declare its arrival at the world stage. Give him two terms and result would be there to see for everyone.

    But i truely doubt, he wants that post.
     
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    A leader is as good as his team........ You put Mamata Banerjee in Modi's place.....Gujrat will still progress........Put Modi in Bihar or Bengal......things will remain same.........or if he tries too much people will oust him.............

    Basically we need good Indians...thats all.......A leader can not manufacture his team mate...he just can guide them or motivate them........you can not cook Biriyani with masala of khichdi.....does not matter how much expertise you have....
     
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    While nothing to do with any other aspect of NAMO, war and defence is one area NAMO won't let the country down. In the current political sphere, NAMO has the highest mathematical probability of being the leader that will give India the power-projection it deserves and affords, recovers PoK, or breaks "containment" to just this region, to make India actually influential in the world-stage (which it is not). India is currently significant, but not influential. Its influence is confined to south-asia.

    Do you want a pacifist who buys peace, or do you want a hard-liner who earns it? Choose wisely.
     
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    if other politicians have say for example 10% mathematical probability to go on the offensive then at most modi will be at 15%. Thats still quite low...there are many more people in India have higher mathematical probability to go on the offensive. To say that modi is the best we've got is shameful.

    If anyone of us from this forum was PM then mathematical probability to smash pakistan and terrorism would be above 90% (and 100% for me).

    a pacifist has no place neither does a hardliner....we need a person with a balance of both.
     
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    Indian people love the 'gora' so much they will sell their ass to any White Trash. I pity you guys.
     
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    Yes, I agree with you on this point. Although I am a great admirer of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, I must say, even Stalin, despite all his bad press, indeed converted a agrarian rural Russian society into a moder industrial power. Putin has also been lucky with petroleum prices going up soon after his takeover as President, which, in turn was facilitated by the success of the second Chechen campaign by the Russian Army, again, for which his KGB past must be credited.
     
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    Vladimir Putin: A photo collage

    Vladimir Putin: A photo collage

    With his mother, Maria Ivanovna, in July 1958:
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    As KGB officer:
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    With his wife, Lyudmila Putina, at the Taj Mahal:
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    Fishing in Tuva, Russia:
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    Swimming in Tuva, Russia:
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    And Judo:
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    And as a co-pilot on a Beriev-200 Water-Bomber:
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    As a biker-boy in Ukraine:
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    And, kissing a boy on his tummy at the Red Square:
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    Indeed, one just cannot but admire this macho yet teetotaler President of the Russian Federation. Indeed, befitting the double-headed eagle, the Russian Imperial Insignia!
     
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    Looks like many people may have an incomplete picture on Chechnya's history and how Putin tackled it. Let me state early on that according to traditional Islamic scholars, there is no justification of fighting for independence of Islamic state if the country provides you with freedom to practice and preach your religion. And so in the case of Chechnya, as long as there is freedom to practice your religion there is nor religious justification for Jihad(literally struggle) for "independence" whether armed or otherwise.

    Chechnya was incorporated as part of the Russian empire in the 18th century after much fighting and has and has since seen many rebellions. They were rebellions in the 1920s before the Communist takeover, during Stalin's era and all these times there were migrations of Chechens into Arab lands like Jordan, Syria and Iraq. Then right after Soviet breakup, a former Soviet Air Force led an independence movement that was taking place all over the USSR at that time in the 90s. All of these were secular nationalist struggles and had hardly any political religious connotations.This was the first Chechen war and was finally put down after a brutal fight. But only temporarily. It was only post late 1990s and 2000s in the second Chechen war that foreign fighters, some allege backed by intelligence agencies made their appearance.Many of them staging operations from Georgia and AfPak.

    So what did Putin do apart from sending in his army? He made a deal with those who were willing to be part of the Russian federation to give them autonomy. A referendum on this was passed in 2003 and had international observers. Gave them their own parliament, constitution and President. They even have the ability to enact civil Muslim personal like its available in Israel and India.

    Then Putin bypassed the UN that was condemning Russia for HR abuses and reached out to Muslim countries directly. He wanted to avoid thehypocrisy of western countries who use to revel in criticizing Russia for HR abuses.

    In a 2003 OIC summit in Malaysia, Putin declared Russia a "Muslim power" and an ally to the "Muslim world". Soon after it was granted observer status in OIC. He even went to Chechnya and emphasized the same point in their parliament by saying that Russia is "the best and most reliable partner and ally [and] one of the main pillars of the Islamic world in the struggle for rights in the international arena, the struggle for their legitimate rights".

    Rapprochement with King Abdulla soon resulted in him saying that he supports Russian policy on Chechnya in 2007. That is, the policy of granting autonomy (NOT independence) to preserve their ethnic and cultural identity. Putin then went forward to get these Arab and OIC countries to come in Chechnya and invest in rebuilding the republic. The $16Billion investment also probably includes wealthy Arab states investing in Chechnya as well.


    I think there is a lot we can learn from Putin on how he handled the Chechen situation. The "iron fist" was not the only thing but a final political settlement granting autonomy as well as tackling public opinion smartly were crucial elements as well. Will Modi agree to autonomy and working in tackling public opinion in Muslim countries/OIC; and even if he wanted to, would he lose his core constituency on charges of "appeasement"?

    Interesting questions to speculate on, but until Modi becomes PM I think we can only speculate.


    On the matter of terrorists attacks. At least post 26/11, I think everyone should admit that there has been no major attacks since. This is despite the efforts as revealed by cables as well that LeT was trying its best to stage attacks in India and prevent assassination of Modi. They were also successful in cracking blasts cases like Ajmer blasts, Malegaon blasts and related which has shut down homegrown networks as well. So overall, UPA2 has done a pretty good job when it comes to preventing a terrorist attack although UPA1 record was abysmal. Foreign policy of UPA2 is also a pretty strong point overall.
     

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