India mulls huge increase in Rafale order, may buy up to 189 fighter

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  1. Drsomnath999

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    PARIS: India could buy up to 189 of the Rafale fighter jets currently being used by France to bomb Islamist militants in Mali, sources close to negotiations on the multi-billion dollar deal have told AFP.

    The possibility of an additional 63 jets being added to an expected order for 126 was raised during a visit by India's foreign minister Salman Khurshid to Paris last week, they said.

    "There is an option for procurement of an additional 63 aircrafts subsequently for which a separate contract would need to be signed," a source said.

    "Presently the contract under negotiation is for 126 aircraft but we are talking about the follow-up."

    India's contemplation of a much bigger than anticipated extension of its airpower will inevitably cause concern in neighbouring Pakistan given the permanently simmering tensions between the two countries.

    The Indian press has estimated the value of the deal for 126 Rafales at $12 billion (nine billion euros).

    A 50 per cent increase in the number of planes ordered would take it to around $18 billion, in a huge boost for the struggling French defence industry, although much of the economic benefit will be shared with India.

    New Delhi selected France's Dassault Aviation as its preferred candidate to equip the Indian Air Force with new fighter jets in January 2012.

    Under the deal on the table, the first 18 Rafales will be built in France but the next 108 will be assembled in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd in Bangalore.

    "The first aircraft will be delivered three years after signature of the contract," the source added.

    An industry expert said the time lag reflected India's request for two-seater jets rather than the one-seater model that Dassault currently produces.

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    India has insisted that the deal involves significant technology transfer and that Indian suppliers secure work equivalent to around half of the value of the contract.

    "The negociations for off-sets are progressing well," the source added.

    The conclusion of the deal has been repeatedly delayed, with India having initially set a target of the end of last year, which slipped to March 31, 2013, the end of the current fiscal year.

    French defence sources said last week that was unlikely to be met but voiced confidence it would finally be done, a stance echoed by Khurshid on his visit to Paris.

    "We know good French wine takes time to mature and so do good contracts," Khurshid said after a meeting with French foreign minister Laurent Fabius.

    India mulls huge increase in Rafale order, may buy up to 189 fighter jets - Times Of India
     
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  3. Sam2012

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    Re: India mulls huge increase in Rafale order, may buy up to 189 fight

    First sign the contract:mad:

    I think SCAM UPA-2 will not sign MMRCA before 2014 , because they need money for election :taunt:

    After 2014 polls new govt will tak its sweet own time to sign th deal more chance of deal falling apart considering the econmony & scam suituation in INDIA

    This is the reason why Air marshal Barbora was so critical on political establishment:thumb:

     
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    i think mmrca should have been ordered 10 years ago given the dwindling squadron no. of iaf.drdo should have started work on fifth gen aircrafts in early 2000s like the chinese who concurrently worked on fifth gen while developing fourt gen.instead of investing on our own r&d government choose to participate in the russian project whose design was alredy frozen and even now the iaf has failed to issue asqr to ada for amca which is unlikely to have its fist flight by 2020.also the kaveri project is in limbo and will fail to deliver 90kn thrust even by 2020.
     
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    Re: India mulls huge increase in Rafale order, may buy up to 189 fight

    Any idea when India will get the first of the off-the-shelf Rafales?
     
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    Re: India mulls huge increase in Rafale order, may buy up to 189 fight

    Even 189 isn't enough for the shrinking no. of IAF sqardons. Need few sqardons more
     
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    Will India use it as a leverage to bargain a good deal?

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    Re: India mulls huge increase in Rafale order, may buy up to 189 fight

    It will require a hell lot of work by the Govt and hell lot of political will to get this deal through, the last big deal that was signed had that...
     
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    Re: India mulls huge increase in Rafale order, may buy up to 189 fight

    More numbers would have direct influence on the contract price.
     
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    Re: India mulls huge increase in Rafale order, may buy up to 189 fight

    Probably 2 years after signature as first deliveries should be twin seated for training and none is built atm. No def clue although
     
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    Re: India mulls huge increase in Rafale order, may buy up to 189 fight

    France wants Indian to exercise Rafale options immediately

    During a two-day official visit to Paris earlier this month, External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid was apprised of the French Government’s keenness that India exercise options for 63 additional Dassault Aviation Rafale fighters alongside the primary under-negotiation contract for 126 jets under the medium multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA) competition.


    The 63 additional jets are mandatorily available to the MoD as part of a 50 per cent options clause attached to the main agreement under negotiation. If the MoD decides to exercise options, the additional jets will be contracted under a separate contract agreement, and not clubbed with the main agreement for 126 jets. It is understood that the issue came up in discussions with French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius as well as with French President François Hollande. After his meeting with the French Foreign Minister, Salman Khurshid is quoted to have said, “We know good French wine takes time to mature and so do good contracts”, when asked about when a deal was expected to be signed. Contract negotiations are currently ongoing. Recently, following queries raised by Dassault Aviation, it was clarified in no uncertain terms by the MoD that the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited would be the lead integrator of 108 Rafales in Bengaluru.


    France wants Indian to exercise Rafale options immediately | idrw.org
     

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