India, Mongolia hold joint military exercises

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  1. LETHALFORCE

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    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article965963.ece

    The troops of India and Mongolia engaged in joint exercises, with the latest two-week drill in counter-insurgency ending in Belgaum on Sunday.

    Nearly 30 officers and personnel of the Mongolian armed forces participated in the workout called “Nomadic Elephant” along with 50 officers and personnel of the Indian Army in counter-terrorism environment.

    The current engagement tapered and ended around the time the Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao was in India and Pakistan.
    Steady growth

    Defence cooperation and relations between the militaries of the two countries has seen a steady growth over the last decade with the first joint exercise in 2004. For the last few years, the joint drills are being held every year.

    In recent years, the exercises varied with the one in 2005 being held at the Counter Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School at Vairnagte, Mizoram while another exercise held in Mongolia in September 2008 was on peacekeeping operations.
    Top meetings

    Besides exercises, both countries have had visits of top brass with the former Vice-Chief of the Army Staff Lt. Gen. Noble Thamburaj visiting Mongolia last year on the Mongolian armed forces day while its Chief of the Army Staff visited the Defence Expo here.

    Mongolian Defence Minister L. Bold was one of the dignitaries at the 2009 Aero India and also took part in the Joint Working Group meeting.
     
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  3. divya

    divya Regular Member

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    Its high time that India should start re considering base in Mongolia which they scrapped on the name of peace with Chinese. Its high time to return the favor to Chines. If they can do well we also can do the same.
     
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    Establishing a base and helping Mongolia will be a very good retaliatary measure against the improvig and ongoing relationship between pakistan and china............
     
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    we already had that chance but our politicians said no to that owing to the peace in the region.... IDIOTS....
     
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    joke!...

    Sino-Mongolia trade is about 70%+ of the Mongolia's total trade;
    70% of FDI in Mongolia comes from China.

    Mongolia is in fact compete client-economy of China's.
     
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    That is the main reason India needs to look upon Mongolia to make it independent of Chinese.....
     
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    Parthy Air Warrior Senior Member

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    China is not interested to have any friendly ties with Mongolia,They tried to invade Mongolia but was failed due to the joint resistance from the Mongolian and Russian Red army,China used to consider Mongolia as part of its territory for its wealthy mineral resource.

    Its usual for China to annex territories which it feels like 'it would feed their large population',China failed to bring Mongolia by force so it started with investing in mining industry and getting what they exactly wanted. Sucking ones natural resource and leave them starving for income.Old and same Chinese policy.
     
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    good move , we should counter china s naval base in pak with an army base in mongolia..
    Man , just to live in peace how much we need to do and spend
    peace is getting costlier...
     
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    That's the whole idea BG. The idea is to free China's client states from their hold and wean them off your influence to such and extent that even if they don't become our client states, they at least remain rationally neutral which is fine by our standards. We seek friendship of a nation rather than its subservience to us. Not only Mongolia but Cambodia and Laos who also are often called your "client states" are also on the list. Cambodia shares our ancient culture and faith since thousands of years and once was a part of our empire. So cultivating ties with them and weaning them off your pressures becomes the challenge.

    You challenged us in our neighbourhood and it is natural that we compete in yours. Its an even game. Even if Mongolia, Cambodia and Laos are your client states till now they won't be so forever. And before USA, Europe and other countries make a dash for these small but potential markets, it is only wise that we do so. Trading with everyone in surplus doesn't make you invincible but equally dependent on them because your production is export oriented and if the clients' need perspective changes someday to which the supplier isn't able to adapt, it makes the latter most vulnerable.

    How long do you think it would take us to make the same inroads that you've made? You see, after trying to understand the concept of trade and partnership of your governments' thinking in Africa and seeing the result, most countries must we aware and apprehensive about this sort of state-backed forceful ransacking. You might have bigger money but we choose a private sector approach to not just trade but gain the public's positive recognition of our efforts.

    I understand that you see Central Asia as your domain; but nothing like a good competition eh? You are good in manufacturing and we are good in servicing. Too bad that we have to be on opposite ends of the fence; Had CCP's ideals been not so imposing and expansionist towards us, we could have made the finest tag team in the world and also the longest unbreakable record of partnership.
     
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    Having a base in Mongolia is completely useless... just look at a map and tell me how we are going to supply and maintain our forces over there?

    It will be much better to have a naval/air base in Vietnam, similar to what the Russians had in Camh Ranh Bay.
     
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    A base doesn't exactly translate to the kind of heavy and full military bases that USA has; we are not in a financial position yet until our economy doubles from our current position. And we shouldn't even bother considering full military bases since it is the most stupid expenditure we can have right now. What "bases" means in Indian sense is to have "listening posts" with limited military equipment that can act as a watch tower to Indian military intelligence rather than a base from where we can launch strikes. The farkhor base in Tajikistan is also not a full blown military base except it being so from Russia's side. It is a listening post or at the max a special forces operational base which isn't equivalent to be capable of conducting full-blown strikes during war time. The base was maintained first there to keep an eye on terrorist activities that come from POK into India and potentially to deploy commandos in case a Kandahar hijack like case happened for fast helo deployment.

    Mongolian base should be similar to that. It would be stupid to base IAF fighters there in Mongolia since there is absolutely no use of doing that. Firstly because with the kind of pathetic government we have now, even if we had a $ 20 trillion economy and 10,000 5th generation fighters, we won't be even fighting a country the size of Maldives, forget China. Hence we should look for the practical solution: listening posts. Chinese don't have military bases abroad even though they are 3 times more wealthier than us today. There's a reason. Having US like bases is silly and unreasonable at this stage and for a lot more years. It is a needless military expenditure that is incurred to become a police around the world, which we don't want to be. We just want to ensure that South Asia from Afghanistan to as far as Singapore and Indonesia is in our positive influence along with entire IOR.
     
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    SATISH DFI Technocrat Stars and Ambassadors

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    actually i had uploaded a PDF file about Indo-Mongolian relations long time back...hope the people have not lost it while upgrading.
     
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    Okay, so how will "listening posts" in Mongolia benefit Indian geopolitical or defence objectives?

    We have listening posts in the Maldives and Madagascar because the Indian Navy wants to expand its influence in the IOR by establishing a limited presence on pro-India nations in the area. But how will such a presence in Mongolia of all places help us?

    Again, we mind as well get "listening posts" in Vietnam instead, since that would actually be relevant to our defence (IN can track the movement of PLAN vessels en route from South China Sea to Indian Ocean/Malacca Straits).
     
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    Even Russians did not shared good relations with the chinese until recently. we can also cash upon it and also you use russian influence in mongolia to achieve our objectives. when china is making her string of pearls why the phuck are we riding the bogey of peace.
     
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    As far as I know , Russians booted us out of the tajik base.
     
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    Mongolia is the closest small power-country to Beijing the capital of China. Do you seriously think that military intelligence cannot tweak in to listen to valuable information? Not like they would send pigeons with microphones, but I am sure that this would work the same way. Listen, Tajikistan base is a no go for anyone other than the Russians. They did not allow Chinese to dominate CAR nor they will allow us since CAR is former Soviet Union and unless and until we get a strong, assertive and nationalistic central government while Russia becomes more dependent on us, we cannot change the situation. Tajikistan is a waste of money and IMO even Afghanistan is a freaking waste of billions, until Pakistan exists.

    Mongolia gives us that Central Asian alteive without pissing Russians off. It is the finest and the closest alternative. If we can establish a hearing post and intel base close to Mongol-China border, nothing is better than that. Many countries I bet must be vying for such a post, US the most maybe... we were offered the damn thing in a golden platter and the effed up ruling government rejected it because it sh*t in its dhoti so as 'not to upset the Chinese'.

    Mongolia also can become effectively less reliant on China if we can engage them. Listen, they can come in and influence Nepal; can't we go and influence Mongols? For goodness sake, Mongolia is a strong Buddhist country and that gives us the cultural leverage on conservative Mongols as compared to Communist Chinese. India has a massive trade sector. Mongolia is rich in mineral resources. Then WTH are we waiting for?

    Buddy, this century is all about "I keep you in check if you try to keep me" and India is lagging behind BIG TIME. Mongolia closes the distance to Beijing in terms of strategic value. Take a look at this.


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    South China Sea is irrelevant for us since that region has no importance for us and is more of a headache for Koreans and Japanese since all their trade flows through that region. Pray tell me what advantage can IN have in South China Sea? We cannot dominate the waters, we cannot meddle in their region, we cannot gain any superiority in their 'hood'; then what are we going to do in Vietnam? Strategically, South China Sea can at the maximum act as a intimidation point and be a counter to Hambantota port in Sri Lanka by Chinese. But we haven't reached that level of strategic capability and even if we have, our morons in Delhi won't utilize it since it needs some spine to do so.

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    The best we can do with Vietnamese is conduct joint military training, offer to build up military infrastructure, conduct strategic and confidence building measures and provide them with whatever defence stuff we can make (Dhruv both gunship and ALH variants, Dhanush, Akash, Nag, Arjun MBT, battle frigates, assault ships etc). Unless and until we make a pitch in arms sales, our R&D won't expand and that is started somewhere with what we have. The names I said above are capable systems that Vietnamese and Southeast folks would be interested.
     
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    Mongolia unilaterally offered our stupid government a base according to reports. But these @#$%^& refused it to not "upset the Chinese". Does this tell how much actually safe we are from an invasion? Not at all and the government is simply covering up for swindling the defence money by asking its officials and generals to show the air that "AAL iz well".
     
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    India-Mongolia Joint Exercises


    Mongolia and India are currently performing joint military exercises, as each country is concerned about a rising China, reports Defense News:

    Indian and Mongolian troops will hold joint exercises in Mongolia Sept. 15-29, said an Indian Defence Ministry official. Last year, Mongolian troops held joint exercises on Indian soil....

    "New Delhi wants to have better ties with the Chinese neighbor with an on eye on containing China," said Mahindra Singh, retired Indian Army major general.

    A report in The Diplomat gives a little more context, noting that both sides hope that they can improve trade relations by boosting military cooperation:

    An estimated 40 Indian troops will take part in the military exercises, which will focus on counterinsurgency training. Last month, Indian troops took part in the sixth annual Khaan Quest, a week-long Mongolian-hosted joint-training exercise aimed at enhancing cooperation between regional militaries...

    The rapid amelioration of Indo-Mongolian security ties was formalized when both countries signed a bilateral defence cooperation agreement during [ Indian President Pratibha] Patil’s visit in July. The pact isn’t overly comprehensive though, as Mongolia remains cautious about getting too cosy with India on defence issues. India, however, seems keen to enhance defence ties rapidly. The rationale behind this is simple—New Delhi believes that it will be more competitive in Mongolia’s lucrative mining and trade sectors if it diversifies its engagement, morphing from investor to strategic partner.

    Mongolia also has a significant interest in wooing India’s defence expertise. First, enhanced engagement complements Mongolia’s strategy to recruit large markets to ramp up their investments in the country. Of primary interest to India is Mongolia's mineral sector, including significant reserves of coal, copper, gold, and uranium.

    Secondly, regional instability in Central Asia remains a concern for Ulan Bator and it’s keen to profit off its reputation as the lead democracy in a land of kleptocrats. Finally—and most important—China’s continued military ascendency and all the implications that go along with this necessitate Mongolia’s outreach to other power brokers in Asia, such as India, Japan, South Korea, Russia and the United States.

    India also has been boosting cooperation with other of China's neighbors in Central Asia, like Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.

    Perhaps the greatest indication -- well, at least the most fun indication -- of the importance Delhi places on relations with Ulaanbaatar is that, for the first time, the Indian Army's stunt motorcycle team performed abroad, during a visit of the Indian Army chief to Mongolia. StratPost has a full photo gallery of the event, which is highly recommended.
     

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