India Military Eyes Combined Threat

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    India Military Eyes Combined Threat | The Diplomat

    Indian military planners are reshaping the Army in readiness for a potential combined threat from China and Pakistan. Can it “cold start?”

    Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh may have told the country’s parliament last month that he doesn’t expect an attack by China, but India’s military is taking no chances.

    The world’s second-largest army, which celebrated its 64th Army Day on January 15, is on the cusp of implementing a major transformation in its organizational structure and war strategies to meet a possible combined threat from China and its ally Pakistan.

    The change follows more than half a decade of annual exercises involving one of India’s three strike corps and a desert corps, which have engaged in operations to fine-tune a strategy that would enable India to take Pakistan by surprise.

    Under this concept, the defensive corps close to the border with Pakistan have been re-designated “pivot” corps, and have been handed enhanced offensive elements under integrated battle groups (IBG) that consist of division-sized forces comprising armor, artillery and aviation assets designed to swiftly hit Pakistan before the strike corps, located deeper inside India, would be able to mobilize.

    This is supposed to offer India the so-called “cold start” option, under which the IBGs would swing into action in less than 48 hours.

    Speaking to me for Indian broadcaster NDTV last week, Indian Army Chief Gen. V.K. Singh explained the concept, although he refrained from actually referring to it as “cold start.”

    “Our aim was to make the army more agile, more lethal, more responsive, and networked army that is able to meet with the future threats,” he said. “To that extent, certain steps were laid down. One of the things we looked at was the restructuring of our organizations into groupings that will take place in battle. So, we have validated these. Certain changes have come about because of our validation in test bedding. These are coming into effect.”

    The transformation study, carried out under Singh while he was commanding the Eastern Army as part of a previous assignment, started validating the concepts from 2010. As the Times of India noted, Exercise Vijayee Bhava (Be Victorious), for instance, practiced blitzkrieg-style operations to hit the enemy hard at short-notice. According to the paper, it essentially revolved around the armor-intensive 2 Corps.

    However, the two-month-long Exercise Sudarshan Shakti, conducted in November and December of last year, not only took the concept further, but added several new dimensions to India’s war-fighting theories. For the first time, the Army successfully used its satellites and UAVs to provide a real-time picture and information of the war zone to battlefield commanders.

    In addition, real-time links between sensor and shooter were tested, which enabled commanders to make decisions instantly, even as information was being shared among platforms and personnel.

    Led and implemented by the Indian Army’s biggest and most lethal formation, the 21 Corps, the exercise witnessed the participation of over 60,000 troops and 300 tanks and brought together all elements – including air power – on one single platform. The air power on display reportedly included combat jets like the Su-30 MKI, Jaguars, MiG-27 and MiG-21, AWACS and helicopters.
     
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    One has to be always prepared.

    Defence of a country is based on Eternal Vigilance as they say!

    However, the influx of modern weaponry in all three Services of India has spooked many countries, without realising that mostly it was only making up the shortfalls.
     
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    Does this mean cold start is being refined for 2 fronts simutaneously??
     
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    One thing confuses me is that why people always talked about fighting 2 fronts simutaneously. In classic military theory, it was not fun to fight the enemies from both sides instead of concentrating on the one with the most threat. Speaking of war with China and Pak(both countries with Nuclear Capcities) simutaneously, i am not sure if the US could be able to handle them in the short term by taking looking at Chinese millitary power. So, my suggestion is to stay focused on the top priority, finish it COMPLETELY and then move to your next target.
     
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    .When you have opportunistic neighbors you should prepare for everything.If it does go to 2 fronts other nations with nuclear capacities will also be involved on the Indian side
     
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    Two front war could mean capabilities of offensive on one front and holding against an attack on the second front, something that India did in 1971. But there is the third front also. That is internal situations in the territories where war is being fought or interior territories where elements like Jehadies or Naxals may create mayhem. So that makes it to three front war.
     
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    The third front would fall under local police forces or if needed armed volunteers, they would be insignificant if exterminated quickly. The third front exist only because of lack of political will to fix.
     
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    Can the third front in place like J&K, Nagaland, Punjab etc be taken care by the Police where sophisticated Jehadies or militants make mince meat of CPOs. See what is happening in Chattisgarh. Why are we not able to stop attacks on rails etc? That is why one needs a regular Para Miltary type force like Assam Rifles or RR.
     
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    In Punjab the civilians especially near the border are all heavily armed . I will not go into more details but most of the terrorism in India originates more from the Indian politicians than the terrorists.This is the real 3rd front even more dangerous than the third front you mentioned.(or maybe all the fronts?) One recent example the politican in chattisgarh stopped UAV survellaince claiming it was ineffective and now back to no surveillance-ineffective is better than nothing

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/heron-uav-fails-to-track-maoists-in-chattisgarh/1/166919.html

    It is not the service but probably the politician. Since India wants more heron drones.

    http://worldofdefense.blogspot.com/2011/04/indian-navy-wants-more-heron-and.html
     
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    3rd front will be tackled by special forces like RR, Assam Rifles and central armed forces like CISF and CRPF.

    To stop infiltration from BD, Nepal (pak) and Pakistan, We need to increase the number as well as weapons for BSF and Sashastra Seema Bal.

    So, Armed forces will only have to face 2 front war in worst case scenario. In that situation, It would be offensive against Pak & HOLD/Defensive against China as per our current capability.
     
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    "Two front war could mean capabilities of offensive on one front and holding against an attack on the second front, something that India did in 1971. But there is the third front also. That is internal situations in the territories where war is being fought or interior territories where elements like Jehadies or Naxals may create mayhem. So that makes it to three front war."

    By applying your theory in the reality, that's going to be extremely tough for our today's military capacity. Based on your story, We have to defeat Pak in short period of time and hold Chinese force simutaneously. After finishing Pak, we will concentrate on the battle with China. That's too much to ask for today india's military power, and it's difficult to image with using nulcear weapons on each side.
     
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    why is it difficult when India has done it twice before in wars where China (and USA )tried to interfere ?? If pakistan uses nukes it will be finished even faster.
     
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    In 1971, It was offensive on both side (East/West Pak).

    For Pak + China, It would be Offensive & Defensive respectively.

    We are raising 1 mountain strike corps which will be equipped with all kinds of artillery,tanks and missiles for NE which will make our both front as offensive. But it will take 5-7 years more at least.
     
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    "So, Armed forces will only have to face 2 front war in worst case scenario. In that situation, It would be offensive against Pak & HOLD/Defensive against China." What if the Chinese cannot be hold; instead, the Chinese wants to grab this as a chance and concentrate their strength and be offensive when we take care of Pak.
     
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    All these things have been planned and exercises have been done for this.
     
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    if Jamaati + BNP will come in power in BD, then may be 3 front. Who knows ?

    But I suppose, BSF + Assam Rifles will be enough for that. But more numbers are needed for 4,200 Km long border.
     
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    ".When you have opportunistic neighbors you should prepare for everything.If it does go to 2 fronts other nations with nuclear capacities will also be involved on the Indian side"

    The time has been changed and the entire geo environment has been changed since then. All countries involved in this conflict have been equipped Nuke weapon and please specify "If pakistan uses nukes it will be finished even faster."
     
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    U guys are good at planning. When r u going to exercise ur Plan to Pakistan or China? 2XXX?
     
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    China is more a paper tiger that relies more on proxies so any direct war is unlikely. If China were to get involved they would push India toward a stronger alliance with USA that would eventually demolish China.
     
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    when you guys defeat Vietnam.
     

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