India may scale down Afghan operations

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  1. RPK

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    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/87506/India/India+may+scale+down+Afghan+operations.html

    In a major development, India is looking at scaling down its relief and rehabilitation operations in Afghanistan.

    According to ministry of home affairs (MHA) sources, India may scale down these operations over a period of 18 months following the recent attack on India nationals in Kabul.

    The move comes days after the spate of attacks on Indians in Afghanistan. In the latest attack in Kabul, six Indians were killed last week.

    Sources claim that an official advisory on the matter might be issued soon.

    India had last week suspended its medical mission in Afghanistan after an attack though the other missions were operating as usual.

    The government had also given an option to the Indians working there to return home if they felt insecure in the country.
     
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    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/india-plans-retreat-from-afghanistan-after-attacks/111336-3.html

    India plans retreat from Afghanistan after attacks

    New Delhi: India plans to scale down its operations in Afghanistan and will advice its citizens in that country to return home, sources in the government have told CNN-IBN.

    The government is considering paring down its presence at reconstruction projects in Afghanistan. Projects underway may be wrapped up quickly and there may be even a freeze on undertaking new projects.

    Apart from the embassy in Kabul, the work of consulates in Herat, Kandahar, Mazar-e-Sharif and Jalalabad may also be scaled down.

    CNN-IBN learns the precarious security situation in Afghanistan--highlighted by the terrorist attacks targeting Indians in Kabul on February 26--is prompting a gradual but significant rethink in New Delhi.

    The government has been forced to think to rethink its Afghanistan policy because of the precarious security situation in that country. Indian officials acknowledge that the political and military situation has deteriorated in Afghanistan.

    Taliban terrorists, who are suspected to have had the support of Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence, had targeted the Indian embassy twice in the past. On July 7, 2008, 60 people, including four Indians--one IFS official and a brigadier-ranked official were killed in the attack, while on October 8 last year, four ITBP jawans were among those injured.
    India plans retreat from Afghanistan after attacks
     
  4. ahmedsid

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    Its a sad news If true. Its like giving into the Taliban. But I feel this is needed if the Americans decide to Talk to the Taliban and bring them into Politics. If thats the case, then we have no use sitting there as ducks to be slaughtered!
     
  5. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    This is a sad day for the Afghan people after decades of war and instability the trend will not change.
     
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    Excellent news. This puts a lot of pressure on the Americans to deliver on what they started in the first place. US has been trying or has tried getting India into the Afghan mess militarily. Now, having India withdraw will only put pressure on the US military to further provide support to the Afghan govt with more aid and better security.

    A mighty fine move.
     
  7. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    GoI already said they weren't scaling back.
     
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    well thats the reality check for india GOI.they were trying to get too close to USA and went into afghanistan without any proper plan and long term strategy.Hence india has paid in money and blood and got nothing in return.Since 2001 all the GOI actions in MEA and PMO were mostly influenced by usa for what a only crumbs of civil nuke deal which is also not complete on reprocessing and has been watered down for what have been promised by usa.for that india lost relation with iran by voting against them annoyed russia by getting too close to usa.IT must be hard reality check for india that and must learn from pakistani examples like how many times they have been used and thrown by usa like condoms.even if GOI dont get her act together we gonna see wot being shifted to kashmir and india from AFPAK.AS USA has clearly been seen differentiating between terror groups that attack her and western interests(like taliban/AQ) from those of one which attack india.like(LET and other Kashmiri groups).

    GOI has never had any long ter planning and strategy wrt pakistan and afghanistan since 1947.It just reacts to the particular situation.It never makes proactive strategy.IT sleeps over and allow the situation get out of hand over a period of time and then suddenly gets woke up one day by incidents like kargil or kashmirir millitancy or khalistani militancy or mumbai attacks and then it huffs and puffs and blows war horn just to find that its army is not prepared they dont have artillery guns and other equipment coz there also GOI was found to be asleep.After all this nonsense o they sing peace duet and run from the front to hide in its south block.

    .....sorry for ranting.
     
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    Instead of spending and losing $ 1.5 billion in afghanistan without having any future strategy to protect it if GOI would have spent same money on maoist affected people it would have solve the maoist insurgency.
     
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    already posted in another thread but still........

     
  11. Rage

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    Keepin' it real: the article says 'rescue and rehabilitation' missions will be wound down over a period of 18 months.

    To put it simply, a lot can happen over 18 months. But let's go through a little exercise.

    Let's qualify 'rescue missions': rescuing international aid workers, journalists, citizens and other foreigners from Taliban fighters that kidnap them and demand large sums in ransom.

    Let's qualify 'rehabilitation': providing medical, physical, mental and financial aid or otherwise succor to those who've undergone ordeals or experienced adversity.

    Now let's quantify them: With about 450 personnel of the Border Roads Organization (defending development works, including the lengthy Zaranj-Delaram hwy) and about 600 of the Indo Tibetan Border Force (guarding sensitive installations, diplomatic embassies and residences- and ostensibly also for 'rescue'- though I don't know if these are trained in these) and about six medical facilities providing 'rehabilitation'- the involvement can hardly be more than minuscule, though that is set to, and surprisingly, change: http://article.wn.com/view/2010/03/02/India_to_send_more_troops_to_Afghanistan/

    All of these benefit the Afghans more than they do us. As has already been noted, the kind of development works India has been engaged in are the kind of development works the Afghans want, not the kind of works the Indians think would be beneficial to the Afghans or to their interests. What has peeved religious conservatives right off is that, unlike Western powers, India's involvement has actually won it support from the local populace, rather than contempt. They've responded by imposing bans on Indian soap operas, beheading Indian engineers and attacking [under purported ISI involvement] Indian convoys and embassies.

    For the last eight years, we have not been deterred. I doubt an attack on 'residences' would squib our resolve now.
     
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    And voila!


    India says no plan to scale down presence in Afghanistan

    Wed, 03/10/2010 - 20:41
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    New Delhi, March 10, 2010


    India today denied reports that it was planning to scale down its presence in Afghanistan in the aftermath of the February 26 terrorist attacks in Kabul in which seven Indians and ten others were killed.

    Responding to queries on the reports, which also said India was advising its citizens in the strife-torn country to return home, the official spokesperson of the Ministry of External Affairs categorically dismissed them as "baseless and factually incorrect".

    "India's commitment to its development partnership with Afghanistan remains diluted," the spokesperson said.

    Last week, India announced it had temporarily suspended the Indian Medical Mission (IMM) in Kabul after the attack which had targeted the IMM.

    At that time, too, the Government had made it clear that it would not scale down its other operations in Afghanistan despite the extremely difficult situation in the country.

    The Indians killed in the suicide and car bomb attacks included a doctor in the IMM, Kabul.

    The IMMs in Herat, Kandahar, Jalalabad and Mazhar-e-Sharif are functioning normally.

    Similarly, the Embassy of India in Kabul and its other offices in Afghanistan also continue to function normally.

    National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon had visited Kabul last week to review the security for Indians and Indian facilities in Afghanistan after the latest attack. He had held talks with Afghan President Hamid Karzai and other leaders and also visited the scene of the attack - two guest houses popular with Indians and other foreigners.


    http://netindian.in/news/2010/03/10/0005704/india-says-no-plan-scale-down-presence-afghanistan
     
  13. LETHALFORCE

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    http://sify.com/news/india-not-winding-up-afghanistan-operations-news-national-kdkvEfbafcb.html

    India not winding up Afghanistan operations

    India Wednesday rejected reports that it was winding up its operations in Afghanistan and stressed that its commitment to the development of the war-torn nation remains 'undiluted'.

    External Affairs Ministry spokesperson Vishnu Prakash said it was 'baseless and factually incorrect' that India was issuing an advisory to its citizens in Afghanistan to return home and was planning to scale down it's presence in the country.

    'India's commitment to development partnership with Afghanistan remains undiluted,' Prakash said in a statement, amid media reports suggesting that the government was winding up all missions in Afghanistan in the wake of terror attacks in recent months targeting Indians and Indian facilities.

    The external affairs ministry had last week clarified that Indian medical missions in Afghanistan have been functioning normally, barring the one in Kabul.

    The other missions in Herat, Kandahar, Jalalabad and Mazar-e-Sharif were functioning normally, the ministry said. India also has consulates in these cities.

    National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon toured Afghanistan last week following the Feb 26 Kabul terror strike that killed seven Indians. He also stressed 'India will not scale down operations' in that country.
     
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    India to scale down Afghan operations

    NEW DELHI: India is looking at various options including scaling down operations of its missions in Afghanistan in the wake of terror attacks on Indians there.

    Government is also planning to put all the Indians working in projects like power and road together to ensure their safety, reliable government sources said today.

    This follows an assessment made by National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon's visit to Kabul last week in the wake of terror attack on Feb 26 on guest houses frequented by Indians in which seven Indians were killed.

    Apart from the embassy in Kabul, Indian has consulates in Herat, Kandahar, Mazar-e-Sharif and Jalalabad.

    The sources said that an advisory may also be issued asking all Indians in Afghanistan to return home.

    They recalled that the operations of the Indian medical mission has already been put on hold after the Feb 26 attack in which the hand of Pakistan based LeT operatives is suspected.

    Taliban terrorists, with backing from Pakistan's ISI, had targeted the Indian embassy twice in the past. On July 7, 2008, 60 people, including four Indians--one IFS official and a brigadier-ranked official were killed in the attack, while on Oct 8 last year, four ITBP jawans were among those injured.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...own-Afghan-operations/articleshow/5667990.cms
     
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    How many times does it have to be said? India is not scaling back, end of rumour.
     
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    it isn't like India is looking for some kind of treat in return, for the aid, it is providing to Afghanistan. Though it is clear now that India is not scaling down its operation in Afghanistan. But had it been the other way round, Afghanistan would have suffered a sudden quaint agony.

    Our neighbors must have celebrated officials statement for a few hours.

    Regards,

    KS
     
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    India wary but won't scale down Afghanistan ops

     
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    There is still some lack of clarity about what is going to happen. Possibly USA may have decided to reward Pakistan for its bad behavior and thrown in the towel. Possibly it may be part of a bigger game and we will see some new scenario in the coming days.

    I agree with K. Subramanyam's analysis on this issue.

    Four alternative scenarios are possible. First, the US outsourcing the Taliban neutralisation and buying to Pakistan willingly. This is the one popular with our strategic establishment. Second, the Pakistanis are sincerely cooperating with the US. This is perhaps the least likely scenario. Third, the Pakistanis trying out a second deception on the US successfully, with as adverse consequences as happened in seven years of Bush gullibility. The deception proceeds halfway and the US wakes up to it resulting in confrontation between the US and Pakistan. Last, the US is aware of the deception and has its counter-plans ready. Pakistan has a history of being overconfident and launching misadventures and coming to grief as the history of the 1965, 1971 and 1999 wars against India and their own terrorists turning against them prove.

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-second-deception/586157/0

    The first scenario (and the third one) are the worst ones for India. Even if that happens, it is the Afghans who will suffer the most. Pakistan civil society will be the next major loser with the hardliners and extremists getting a major boost. If Afghanistan falls to the Taliban, Pakistan will not be far behind.

    For India, it will be back to the bad days of 1990s when we suffered big losses at the hands of Pakistan sponsored terrorists enjoying a safe heaven in Afghanistan and many parts of Pakistan. That decade was still a successful decade for India. Terror can't do much more than put a minor dent in India's progress. We can make Pakistan pay several times more in the same game and their capacity to absorb that is much less than us.

    There may possibly be another attack on a major Western target from the Af-Pak and this time there will likely be no talk of nation building. It may be a war of annihilation fought with the buffs and nukes.

    I hope it doesn't happen but this remains a likely scenario in my opinion.
     
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    LOL...GOI is behaving like pigeons do when cat placed among them.there is no synchronization between different ministries.Minsitry of external affairs dont know what ministry of home affairs doing.thats why we had reports in the evening from MHA of scaling down operations in afghanistan.then MEA denies it in late night.And Again in night only MHA issues advisory.And PMO is confused as ever like nero.

    New Delhi may advise Indians to leave Kabul

     
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    here is official version . with this the thread is being closed and will be reopened if there is any change .

     

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