India may make up 25% of world's workforce by 2025

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In China nearly all women aged between 18 and 50 (excluding students) work full time, and a substantial number of women over 50 remain in the work force. As China could face labour shortage in the future, women probably will stay in the labour force even longer.

What's the percentage of indian women working full time after getting married and having kids?
 
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In China nearly all women aged between 18 and 50 (excluding students) work full time, and a substantial number of women over 50 remain in the work force. As China could face labour shortage in the future, women probably will stay in the labour force even longer.

What's the percentage of indian women working full time after getting married and having kids?
This is a good point, a low percentage, but that offers us another labor pool in the future.
 

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In China nearly all women aged between 18 and 50 (excluding students) work full time, and a substantial number of women over 50 remain in the work force. As China could face labour shortage in the future, women probably will stay in the labour force even longer.

What's the percentage of indian women working full time after getting married and having kids?
India, China are still developing economies. When the industry grows it eventually generate need from the both sides of population & industry to contribute together. India had male dominant family system but remarkable number of females are contributing to the Indian workforce. As the industry continues sustainable growth, this numbers of working women will increase to the needful. It has happened all around over India in last 20years & will continue.

India's population including males & females are quite enough to facilitate the domestic & global workforce.
 
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The housing price is very high in China (but no where near as high as in Mumbai, not even in shanghai), but its not like people are sleeping in the streets because of this. City dwellers always had places to live (gratis housing was provided during true communist times and then for the most part was transferred to private ownership many years ago), now those old houses built in the past too have risen sharply in value. And they get haftig compensation (7000-10000RMB/m^2 in my hometown), when their old houses had to make way for new development (yes, these days people are actually more than happy to see their old apartments torn down). Also chinese people save a lot, and thanks to the one-child policy most parents in the cities are actually able to buy an apartment for their son before marriage or at least provide the 30-50% down payment needed. The worst thing that can happen to the city people is if the parents can't afford to buy a new apartment for their son, then their son will have to stay with them and probably have trouble finding a spouse.

But the high housing price does form an almost insurmountable barrier to the migrant workers. My cousins employ migrant masonry workers from the poor interior for their business, even though they are paid 100-120 RMB a day (twice as high as working on an assembly line because masonry work is is considered skilled job), they have zero chance to buy an apartment in their host city. So migrant workers either rent or live in dormitories if they work for a big factory. But after a few years they usually can amass enough saving to buy or build a house in their (rural) hometown where everything is much cheaper.
 
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I guess the same is the story in India where the migrant workers save and then build homes in their villages or towns.
 

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It will not matter like all things it will come down to cost. Since China is a more developed economy India will always be able to offer labor and services at a lower price than China.
India has been a lower labour cost economy than CHna for 2 decades.

Africa has been so for more decades;

however.......both has be a less developed economy than CHina for decades too....
 
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India has been a lower labour cost economy than CHna for 2 decades.

Africa has been so for more decades;

however.......both has be a less developed economy than CHina for decades too....
The reason China became the centre of low cost manufacturing and not Africa or India is for one reason. They did not promote sweatshops.
 

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India has been a lower labour cost economy than CHna for 2 decades.

Africa has been so for more decades;

however.......both has be a less developed economy than CHina for decades too....
India can never be cheap compared to china. we have decent pay for our workers and working condition is also a lot better than IN china. WE have democracy here and everyone has equal rights and freedom of speech as well.
 

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India can never be cheap compared to china. we have decent pay for our workers and working condition is also a lot better than IN china. WE have democracy here and everyone has equal rights and freedom of speech as well.
hahahaha........Indian "slum" millionaires that won Oscar say hellow to you....
 

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persons living in Indian slums earn much more than workers in Chinese manufacturing units.
well, really? tell me how much person living in indian slum can earn ,ok?

No more off-topic flamebaiting!!!!!!!!!
 
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Labor Shortage in China?
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China created 11.02 million new jobs in urban areas in 2009 amid the lingering financial crisis, while the country"s urban unemployment rate stood at 4.3 percent, with 9.21 million people being registered to be unemployed.
Shortage sounds superficial. There're far deeper social problems for workers behind it >>>> 10 crucial issues concerning new migrant workers

The emerging generation of migrant workers aged 20-30 is presenting new problems for society. There are 10 main issues that we need to pay special attention to when trying to improve the life of the burgeoning workforce.

Change of values between the new generation and the old:
According to the Ministry of Human Resources and Social Security, 60 percent of today's 145 million migrant workers were born in the 1980s or 1990s. Compared with the older generation, these younger workers have their own values and pursuits. The differences are generally in four aspects listed below:

First, the new generation has more knowledge and higher education than their predecessors. However, they don't know much about farming and have no affection to the farmland they grew up on.

Second, they have different motivations when moving to the cities. The older generation came to the cities with one aim in mind – to shake off poverty. Yet their successors seem to be more ambitious, wanting to broaden their horizons and gain knowledge by living in the cities.

Third, young migrant workers have higher expectations about their jobs. As opposed to their predecessors who work hard to maintain their employment in the cities, the youngsters come with set preconditions toward their pay and working environment.

Forth, the two generations have different consumption habits. To the younger generation, spending money on entertainment offered by city life is more acceptable than to the previous generation.

The new generation has become the mainstream of the country's industrial workforce:

Young construction workers and restaurant servers can be seen everywhere, especially in the Yangtze River Delta and Pearl River Delta, two economic hubs in east China. This generation of workers is the mainstream of the industrial workforce. Therefore, it is of great importance to treat them like real workers and listen to their needs.

Young migrant workers have contributed to the global economy:

Chinese workers were honored by Time for their contribution to the world's economy during the financial crisis. They are deserving of this recognition. About 70 percent of China's economic growth last year was spurred by exports, which was in part from the cheap domestic labor force. Moreover, about 25 million workers lost jobs last year during the economic downturn. Yet social stability was maintained as the jobless masses went home quietly, posing no threats to their bosses or local governments.

The number of migrant workers is expected to decline:

According to the Economist, China's demographic dividend will reach its pinnacle in 2010 and then start to decline. As the huge number of migrant workers drops year by year, China will soon have a scarcity of workers.

Policies need to be adjusted in tackling the shortage of migrant workers:
In the beginning of 2010, the lack of migrant workers in most areas of China marked the end of an era where cheap labor benefited the economy. Adjustments that were made to policies in the past no longer have the same effects. The shortage of workers affects the entire country, including the western regions where many migrant workers come from. In order to improve the life of the workers, it is becoming necessary to gentrify rural areas and reform the residential permit system.

Migrant workers have to be accepted as city residents:
The failure of the French government to smoothly assimilate African and Arab immigrants caused social unrest. China should learn from France's experience.

According to China Youth and Children Research Center (CYCRC), the crime rate of young migrant workers has risen in recent years. About 70.4 percent of those workers did not have a stable job when they committed their crimes, and nearly 69 percent said they broke the law on impulse. Unlike the older generation, young migrant workers are unwilling to go back to their hometowns. Therefore, their poor living conditions and lack of education pose a great threat to social stability.

If cities can help migrant workers adjust to city life, tensions could soon be relieved. It would also enliven the job market and stimulate the development of the real estate market. Similar cases can be seen throughout the immigration histories of America, Canada and Australia, as well as the recent development of Europe.

The phrase "migrant workers" is outdated:
Before making thorough reforms to solve the problems related to social security, medical care, education and housing, the simple method to change the inequality is to stop calling them "migrant workers."

According to Premier Wen Jiabao, the phrase "migrant worker" is obsolete to the new generation moving from rural areas to cities. There are other terms we can use, such as "restaurant servers" or "workers."

Workers need urban social security:
The urban social security system should cover workers who live in cities with stable jobs. The central government has made progress in building up social security funds for those workers and in providing pensions after they retire.

Existing rural security funds are not adaptable or sufficient for the fast-growing needs of workers who must support themselves in the cities after retirement. The government should also solve housing problems, as it is impossible for the workers to afford urban houses with their meager wages.

Workers need enhanced trainings:

As a group, migrant workers lack education. Seven percent are illiterate and no more than 11 percent have ever attended high school. Only 16.4 percent of migrant workers have received professional training. The country should invest more to professionally train migrant workers.

Workers who move from one province to another need residential permits:

Guaranteeing residential permits for migrant workers is a difficult problem. In my opinion, the residential permits issued to workers are related to the construction land quotas of each province. Governments that issue more residential permits to migrant workers should get more land to use..

The author is vice-dean of the Rural and Agricultural Development Institute at Renmin University of China
 
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Interesting bit of news: FoxConn, which has been embroiled in a suicide-related controversy lately, is planning to move part of its shenzhen operations to the north and interior part of china. Among others, they are building a new manufacturing center in Henan, the chinese equivalent of Uttar Pradesh. The hiring process has already started: assembly-line workers will get 900 yuan/month in the first 3 months (trial period), then they will receive regular wage starting at 2000 yuan/month.

FoxConn employs hundreds of thousands of people in China, we can therefore take wages there as a measuring stick of the current wage situration in China, that is a monthly wage in the neighborhood of 300 dollars is now typical for an unskilled assembly line worker. Also bear in mind, FoxConn provides free or subsidized housing and meals, and legal over-time pay, so a lots of people actually earn a lot more.

This is actually not that bad, considering how many people in this world are struggling to have their ends meet today, not just in India. I have a friend who originates from Portugal, a EU country. Last summer, he paid a visit back home, and told me afterwards that his cousin, who worked as a teacher, earned 400 euro a month.
 

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Interesting bit of news: FoxConn, which has been embroiled in a suicide-related controversy lately, is planning to move part of its shenzhen operations to the north and interior part of china. Among others, they are building a new manufacturing center in Henan, the chinese equivalent of Uttar Pradesh. The hiring process has already started: assembly-line workers will get 900 yuan/month in the first 3 months (trial period), then they will receive regular wage starting at 2000 yuan/month.

FoxConn employs hundreds of thousands of people in China, we can therefore take wages there as a measuring stick of the current wage situration in China, that is a monthly wage in the neighborhood of 300 dollars is now typical for an unskilled assembly line worker. Also bear in mind, FoxConn provides free or subsidized housing and meals, and legal over-time pay, so a lots of people actually earn a lot more.

This is actually not that bad, considering how many people in this world are struggling to have their ends meet today, not just in India. I have a friend who originates from Portugal, a EU country. Last summer, he paid a visit back home, and told me afterwards that his cousin, who worked as a teacher, earned 400 euro a month.
both India and Southeast Asia have no chance to beat inland CHina and attract those labour-density industry moved from coastal CHina.
 
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Rising Chinese Labor Costs May Signal Opportunity for Manufacturers Elsewhere


As motorcycle manufacturers everywhere are struggling to remain competitive, they're facing cheap Chinese producers making impossible demands on their few remaining profits, leading to outsourced production in China in order to compete, however, a news item this week signals a change may be brewing.

Foxconn Technology, a Chinese contract electronics manufacturer making items like the Apple iPhone plus products for Dell and HP, has been forced to raise wages by 100 percent, doubling the incredibly low pay of their workforce. Last week, Honda agreed to raise wages at one of its Chinese plants by about 30 percent to resolve a strike but this week is facing another strike at a different plant.

The industrial actions at Honda's China suppliers, both in the southern city of Foshan, come against a backdrop of rising labor costs and growing worker agitation at other employers around the Pearl River Delta, one of China's main manufacturing hubs.

While pay is still low by the standards of many other countries, any time you double your cost of labor, things are bound to change as you pass those costs on to your customers.

Analysts say the changes result from the growing clout of workers in China's economy, and are also a response to the soaring food and housing prices that have eroded the spending power of workers from rural provinces. These workers, without factoring in the recent wage increases by some employers, typically earn $200 a month, working six or seven days a week.

Many have been saying the Chinese manufacturing miracle over the past decade or so was some sort of new type of market economy or state capitalism that all other countries should emulate. It's beginning to seem like the "miracle" of low cost Chinese manufacturing may be based on little more than extremely low pay. In the interconnected world of today, even workers in China can see where they stand and it doesn't appear they're willing to remain in place at the bottom of the ladder for much longer. The inevitable shift of all manufacturing to China may not be quite so inevitable after all. Wouldn't it be nice if more companies focused on keeping their current factories and work forces in place instead of setting up shop in some other country where the major (only?) attraction is extremely low labor costs, especially when those costs may now be rising?

I look at this as a very positive development. Though many factors are involved in the cost of goods manufactured in China, labor certainly plays a part. If the huge advantage of artificially low wages begins to dissipate, they may have to compete in other areas like innovation and product quality, areas where countries around the world are more than happy to take them on. In a competition like that, everyone benefits.
 

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Retirement ages are out of date: we live longer, so we must work longer

So we are going to be nudged into working beyond the age of 65. When Otto von Bismarck introduced his famous Old Age and Disability Insurance Bill in 1889, which became the model for state-funded old-age pensions throughout the world, the average life expectancy of a Prussian male was 45. Initially the pension age was 70 (von Bismarck himself was 74 that year), though it was subsequently reduced to 65, the age that has become the global standard. Unsurprisingly, in 19th century Prussia, the maths of the scheme worked very well. A lot of people paid in but not very many collected at the end.

Two things since then have changed everything, one widely appreciated, the other less so. The first is that we are living longer. The ratio of older people to young varies from country to country, with it rising particularly swiftly in Japan and relatively slowly in the US, as the first graph shows. But all the lines are heading up. So a retirement age that was affordable has become a huge and growing burden but also, implicit in those rising lines, we are also healthier than we use to be at any particular age.

The second is that the nature of work has itself changed. Employment in agriculture, construction and manufacturing has fallen, while the vast range of service jobs has ballooned. This change in the jobs we do has itself had a number of effects.

It is an over-generalisation to say it is practicable for older people to carry on in these service jobs, whereas it was not so to go on working on a building site. But there is some truth in this. There are probably some jobs that people get better at with age. Watching David Cameron's visit to India I checked the age of his host, Manmohan Singh, the man who as finance minister pushed through the reforms that triggered India's economic renaissance. He is 77.

By changing the law on retirement, the Government has two broad objectives, relating to those to points noted above. One is to alter the mechanical impact that a fixed retirement age has on the size of the workforce and the size of the retired population. You can see in the second graph how the EU faces a shrinking workforce during the next 40 years, in contrast to the US workforce which is expected to grow, albeit slowly, and the continuing rise of the Indian workforce. If people are persuaded to stay at work even for a couple of years, that postpones the point at which the workforce starts to shrink.

There is another way of boosting the size of the workforce, which is to persuade people who are of working age to remain at work. Part of the Lisbon Agenda, the much-derided plan by the EU to make Europe the most dynamic knowledge-based economy in the world, was to increase participation rates. A projection of what was supposed to be achieved – increasing the participation rate from little over 60 per cent to something close to the US 70 per cent – is set out in the bottom graph. The idea, in a nutshell, was to get Italians to be more like Swedes – the former has a very low participation rate, the latter a very high one. In fact, that goal has not been reached, along with the other Lisbon objectives, but it seems a reasonable, indeed essential, one to retain.

The other aim of this UK initiative leads on from this. The aim is to nudge people into a new mind-set about the way they will think about their careers, you might even say their lives. Some jobs by their very nature are for young people. If you go into the Army, you know you will need a second career because there is a very good chance you will be retired in your 40s or early 50s, maybe sooner. If you are an athlete, the shift to another career comes much earlier still. So you plan with the aim of having more than one career. But for most occupations, and certainly all public-sector ones, there is the set retirement age at which people can collect their full pension – even if many workers, be they a police officer or an ambassador, go on to do something else.

There is a further twist. Will we go on having jobs? Well of course some of us will, but an increasing proportion of the workforce is likely to be self-employed. Technology alone makes that easier: if someone is online and can do their job online, who cares who actually employs them? Indeed, one way of slowing the loss of white-collar jobs offshore is to use self-employed part-timers in the UK.

If you are self-employed, the idea of a set retirement age is irrelevant. You chose your retirement age, or more accurately your workload, based on a whole string of other factors: whether you need the money, how much you have saved for your pension, current tax rates, your health, whether you still enjoy working, and so on. Indeed, one of the shifts that the ending of the 65 cut-off may encourage is for more people to set up their own businesses.

That leads to the final point: the law of unintended consequences. The fixed retirement age may be, in human history, a relatively recent concept, for it is after all only 120 years old. Nevertheless it has become embedded in our employment structures and extracting it without damaging the underlying employment patterns will be tricky. A number of difficulties loom.

One will be what happens in the run-up to the new legislation. Will employers choose to get rid of their would-be retirees early so that they have adjusted their workforce ahead of the deadline? What do you do about people whose performance has gradually fallen as a result of their age but where it is hard to pin this down? What do you do about the resentment of younger employees who rightly or wrongly feel their promotion is barred by these "bed-blockers"?

In a climate of low or falling unemployment all this should be manageable. During the boom one of the fascinating changes to employment patterns was that the two largest factors increasing the size of the workforce were immigration and older people staying in the workforce or returning to it. We created a lot of new jobs but they went to migrants and the old. You might say that what the Government is doing will merely reinforce an existing trend and if that is right, then expect it to prove a successful change.

But much labour legislation does have unintended consequences and it would be surprising if this one goes smoothly. The worst thing to happen would be for employers who were worried about being stuck with a dad's army of employees to cut back on employing the 50-something-year-olds looking for jobs. There may, given what is about to happen to public spending, be a lot of those around in the next couple of years.

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This is where India's Human workforce comes in picture!
 

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India 2025: What kind of superpower?

Thanks to its functional institutions of democracy, India will become a very desirable kind of superpower, free of corruption; entrepreneurial and resource and energy efficient, says Anil K Gupta
Within two decades or less, a rapidly rising India will very likely become the world's third largest economy - after China and the US. It would be appropriate to start speculating now on what kind of a superpower India will be or could be when it becomes one.

Complex adaptive systems cannot change their stripes once they have evolved. How a system evolves determines its end-state. In short, how India becomes a superpower will predefine its structure, its mindset and its behaviour.

First, India's emergence as a superpower will show that it is possible to lift millions of people out of poverty within one generation while embracing pluralism, a free press and a vibrant multiparty democracy. Most analysts predict that, over the next two decades, India's GDP will grow at a faster pace than China's. As the world's fastest-growing large economy on a sustained basis, India's rise will put to rest the idea that a command-and-control political system is the only viable route to rapid economic growth and that democracy is somehow antithetical to rapid economic growth.

Second, India has the potential to serve as a leading example of how to combine rapid economic growth with fairness towards and inclusion of those at the bottom rungs of the ladder. In a democratic system such as India's where even the poorest people exercise their political rights actively, fairness and inclusion will be even more critical for social stability than in China. As it becomes a great power, these values will likely become an enduring part of the country's DNA.

Third, the prospects are high that, by 2025, India will likely emerge as one of the world's least corrupt developing economies. While widespread corruption is a reality in almost all developing economies (as well as some of the developed ones), India is one of the very few developing economies with a free press that continues to be vigilant and merciless in exposing the corruption. It is very likely that a vigilant and free press will ensure that the likelihood of getting away with corruption will decline rapidly - with salutary deterrent effects.

Fourth, India will likely emerge as one of the world's leaders in leveraging information technology (IT) to boost the effectiveness and efficiency of its institutions - the corporations, the government and as well as civil society organisations. As 3G and 4G wireless connectivity becomes widespread over the next five years, it is a near-certainty that we'll see a rapid diffusion of low-cost tablet computers along with free or near-free applications aimed at self-learning, mobile banking as well as commercial productivity. India in 2025 could well emerge as one of the world's most connected and IT-savvy societies.

Fifth, India will almost certainly become a leading example of efficient resource utilisation, especially in energy. India relies on imports for a bigger proportion of its oil & gas needs than any other large emerging economy. The situation is likely to get worse, with sustained growth. The consequences are clear. One possible outcome is that India hits a resource-scarcity wall and economic growth comes to a screeching halt.

An alternative scenario is that the country's industry, government and consumers will respond vigorously to the imperative for ever-greater resource efficiency and the development of renewable energy sources. Given the ambitions and ingenuity of its people, I am inclined to bet on the latter scenario. In the process, efficient resource utilisation is likely to become an embedded part of the country's psyche and behaviour.

Sixth, India is likely to emerge as one of the world's leaders in market-driven innovation. Adversity combined with ingenuity has always been the mother of innovation. Think of how Japan emerged as the world's leader in lean manufacturing. Given very high population density and thus scarcity of land, companies such as Toyota could not afford to build Detroit-style automobile plants.

In response, what Toyota did was to invent just-in-time inventory management, total quality management, long-term partnerships with suppliers and other complementary processes that enabled the near-complete elimination of wasteful space.

Think now about the fact that even as India grows to become the world's third largest economy, it will still be one of the world's poorest countries (in per capita terms) for the next two to three decades. Low income levels will continue to provide a very large opportunity to India's entrepreneurs to emerge as the world's leaders in frugal innovation i.e., the design, production, and delivery of products and services that are ultra low-cost. Virtually all of this innovation will be market- rather than technology-driven and is likely to become an integral part of the country's corporate DNA.

Last but not least, India in 2025 is also likely to emerge as one of the world's most entrepreneurial societies. Given a culture of individualism, Indians are "born" entrepreneurs. They also benefit from the fact that, relative to China, India's economy depends far more on pure private sector enterprises than on state-led ones. These entrepreneurs will not only serve as the engines for the country's rapid economic growth but will also benefit from the vast new opportunities that a larger economy will open up for them - domestically within India as well as globally.

India will not emerge as a superpower unless it is smart about managing the evolutionary process of getting from here to there. The seeds for the tree that India as a superpower will be are being planted right now.

(The author is Michael Dingman Chair in Global Strategy & Entrepreneurship, Smith School of Business, University of Maryland)


India 2025: What kind of superpower? - The Economic Times
 

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