Discussion in 'International Politics' started by Yusuf, May 6, 2009.
Mere lip service or is there any conviction in the US about the NPT?
US can put pressure as much it likes, but whoever comes in power in New Delhi will sign his and his party's death sentence if he signs in NPT.
I'm not fond of having nuclear arsenal myself. But even a layman like me understands the necessity of keeping them as deterrent to Pakistan and even more important - China. I've complete faith that India will never ever use those unless in retaliation of a nuclear attack. Being surrounded by two countries - one openly hostile and another not-so-friendly - with nuclear power doesn't leave us any choice but to have a substantial nuclear arsenal. Heck, I read somewhere Indian nuclear bombs have far less yield than China or Pakistani nuclear bombs!
I often wonder by which right USA can even ask others to get rid off their nuclear arsenal, when at the first place they have the largest number in their arsenal!
Not true. India has tested a thermonuclear weapon of around 45-60 kt yield. Chinese nukes have more yield (around 4-5Mt for some bombs), but pak nukes have much less, around 20-36kt or so.
All yields are ones announced by the respective nations. Estimated yields by independant sources vary.
Pakistan Nuclear Weapons
Indian nukes were tested in a configuration that could be daisy chained to achieve a max yield of upto 200 kt. When one scientist was asked why we don't have weapons in the megaton range, he said something like, 'there has to be a limit to this madness', and assured the interviewer that 200kt was more than enough, especially in MIRV configuration.
Sign the NPT and sign your Death Warrant. This must be the Slogan we should chant towards the Politcial Parties coming in power.
We should not bow our head to sign NPT may what ever the pressure come from the USA, it is simply discriminatory that only five nations in this world will be custodian of the Nuclear stock plies, and held other countries hostage to their demands. I think the Mr. Barak Hussain Obama is worse than Bill Clinton in early 1990s.
Guys understand one thing that we are "officially" unofficial members of the nuke club. This was confirmed by the international community when they endorsed the nuke deal with the US which clearly states that India can have its nukes and also do civilian nuclear trade.
So when the US calls for India to sign the NPT, will that mean an expanded club?
Since the nuke deals the dynamics have changed. Obama voted for the deal. So he has to be clear in his mind that India will continue to have its nuke weapons. We will sign NPT if it becomes N6 from N5.
India will only sign NPT if we are given the same rights under the clause as the other 5 nations. We slaved, suffered and toiled to make sure we acquired the bomb to protect our national interests. If we throw all that away, it will be spitting in the faces of the men and women who sacrificed so much to ensure our safety.
I think it'll be the same case with Israel
US says sign NPT, India looks the other way
Seema Guha Thursday, May 7, 2009 2:33 IST Email
New Delhi: India is unfazed by Washington's call for all countries to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (NPT), taking the moral high ground that it was one of the first to suggest universal elimination of nuclear weapons.
US assistant secretary of state Rose Gottemoeller, speaking at the Third Session of the Preparatory Committee for the 2010 NPT Review Conference at the UN headquarters in New York, asked India, Israel on Wednesday, Pakistan and North Korea to come on board to halt the increase of nuclear weapons.At the same time, she deflected criticism from several countries which argued that the India-US civil nuclear agreement reeked ofWashington's double standards.
Gottemoeller defended the agreement saying, "India is coming closer to the non-proliferation regime, and that too is an important goal of the US foreign policy."
"I would say that with regard to India's agreement with the US on peaceful nuclear uses, America has been able to agree with India to undertake a number of activities that would bring it in closer cooperation with other countries in the general non-proliferation regime," she said.
After the conference she spoke of India's willingness to consider a fissile material cut-off and the Comprehensive Test Ban Treat (CTBT).
But India is in no mood to sign the CTBT. India has made it clear that it would not sign the CTBT unless the world moves "categorically towards nuclear disarmament in a credible time-frame". ( I ♥ diplomats )
The US had signed the CTBT but never ratified it as President George W Bush's administration was not keen on this. But for the new Democratic dispension of President Barack Obama,non proliferation is a key goal and the White House will push for both the CTBT and the NPT.
Goettmoeller said non proliferation remained high on the agenda for the US. "Universal adherence to the NPT itself, including by India, Israel, Pakistan and North Korea ... remains a fundamental objective of the United States," Gottemoeller told the meeting.
India, Israel and Pakistan had never signed the NPT. North korea did , but later withdrew. While India refuses to sign on the dotted line because it finds the treaty discriminatory, Pakistan refuses to do so because of India.
Though it is known that Israel has nuclear weapons, it has never formally acknowledged the fact and the rest of the world are happy to be hoodwinked.
Indian officials, however, refused to react to the US assistant secretary's comments, saying New Delhi's views on the NPT were well known.
"We are willing to go ahead and sign the NPT provided all countries are ready to work together for the total elimination of weapons of mass destruction," an official said.
In my opinion we can only sign NPT when the discrimination is over and when self appointed custodians of the Nuclear weapons get disarmed themselves, or else make India as N6.
hahaha it is impossible to any country to put pressure on india to sig NPT.you guys know what happen in indo-us nuclear deal
If India doesn't want to sign the treaty, let them add the condition that make Pakistan, NK, Israel also sign it and only then we will sign. In this way, we will never have to sign the NPT. . (Just kidding)
I admire that scientist.
Sometimes, these small things make so much sense.
On a serious note, I fear our PM might give in to the US pressure, especially due to all that cribbing by many countries in the NSG meet.
NPT is a failure in real as the largest Nuclear arsenal countries are not disarming them which was the real base from this NPT itself .
3 pillars of NPT .. non-proliferation, disarmament, and peaceful use.
These five Nuclear Weapons States agree not to transfer "nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices" and "not in any way to assist, encourage, or induce" a non-nuclear weapon state (NNWS) to acquire nuclear weapons (Article I)
NNWS parties to the NPT agree not to "receive," "manufacture" or "acquire" nuclear weapons or to "seek or receive any assistance in the manufacture of nuclear weapons" (Article II).
NNWS parties also agree to accept safeguards by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to verify that they are not diverting nuclear energy from peaceful uses to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices (Article III)
have the 5 nuclear weapons states have met this Article 1 ? We all know the answer
In my opinion, it would be better to abolish nuclear weapons, like chemical weapons. These destroy human race. My wish is to bring every one even the P5 to the same level of all nations. This would also stop rogue nations from developing one.
I myself have doubts on Dr. Singh. He is a pacifist and so is most of his government as seen in string of terrorist attacks that took place throughout 2008 in the country. Had China been the victim of 26/11, Southwest Asia's map would have changed a lot since the last november.
All that Indian public can do is pray that the incumbent pacifist government doesn't do anything of such nature and next election onwards be careful to elect a national leader who can actually lead a nation standing straight for his countrymen.
In English language, that is called Utopian thinking, my friend. It is never going to happen. The taste of power is just too good to be ignored by any country.
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