India loses on Sri Lankan battleground

[HeinzGud]

Guys everyone. Please just try to understand SL true history.

Now also understand what is true neutrality. If you don't know ask a SLankan.
SL helping the Paks and Ameriks against India now that, that is the dictionary definition of neutrality. Gold standard neutrality.
Please guys just try to learn something about "true neutrality"

Allowing ships and plans to dock in Sri Lanka was wrong? How was it wrong? What right India have to tell Sri Lanka what to dock and what not to dock?

 

[HeinzGud]

lol.. says the Chinese slave,,,

It's better than being an Indian slave.

 

[Razor]

It's better than being an Indian slave.

Don't worry, where will you go when the teacher comes to teach the lessons. South China sea.

 

[Screambowl]

@HeinzGud, you think a random article for a SL newspaper becomes God's word??

Let the Chinese build the port city. I hardly care. Chinese have excess money. Let them burn it.

India is much closer to SL and India has a lot of options with SL. We shall see how far SL strays.

Wild speculation on current Govt in SL is only an indicator of intellectual bankruptcy of SL elite, nothing else. It is Sri Lankans that voted in your elections, not Indians.

when they build the port.. India can indirectly use it too

More over.. India gets the access to few chinese on their vessel movement

 

[kr9]

Allowing ships and plans to dock in Sri Lanka was wrong? How was it wrong? What right India have to tell Sri Lanka what to dock and what not to dock?

From a political point of view:--

India has no problem with Sri Lanka's sovereignty. But you have to respect ours and that includes not supporting potential threats to us.
Now, Sri Lanka's continued involvement with China is going to escalate an already dangerous cold war among countries in South and South East Asia.

You are mistaken if you think that you can partner China in seemingly 'civil' developments and remain uninvolved if you refrain from any potential military treaties with them. There is almost nothing 'civilian' about Chinese intentions outside its own territories. If you can see past the mask, it is a single party state with the military being loyal only to the party (not even to the people of China and definitely not to the people of Sri Lanka).

PS: Sooner or later, India will have no choice but to take a 'with us or against us' approach regarding its neighbours and it will be because of their own assumed victimization at India's hands.

 

[HeinzGud]

Don't worry, where will you go when the teacher comes to teach the lessons. South China sea.

What teacher? Or do you mean the pussy who can't even stand up to the Muslim threat?

 

[Razor]

What teacher? Or do you mean the pussy who can't even stand up to the Muslim threat?

It's like comparing apples and oranges, but carry on with your circus.

 

[HeinzGud]

It's like comparing apples and oranges, but carry on with your circus.

Pathetic. Take your empty threats elsewhere. Tell that to a Paki or Nepali.

 

[HeinzGud]

From a political point of view:--

India has no problem with Sri Lanka's sovereignty. But you have to respect ours and that includes not supporting potential threats to us.
Now, Sri Lanka's continued involvement with China is going to escalate an already dangerous cold war among countries in South and South East Asia.

You are mistaken if you think that you can partner China in seemingly 'civil' developments and remain uninvolved if you refrain from any potential military treaties with them. There is almost nothing 'civilian' about Chinese intentions outside its own territories. If you can see past the mask, it is a single party state with the military being loyal only to the party (not even to the people of China and definitely not to the people of Sri Lanka).

PS: Sooner or later, India will have no choice but to take a 'with us or against us' approach regarding its neighbours and it will be because of their own assumed victimization at India's hands.

India's potential threat is not Sri Lanka's business. Besides Sri Lankans are not stupid enough to get embroiled in a dual between China and India. Nor does the Chinese need to use Sri Lanka as a base to attack India. It's just too stupid as a strategy.

India should know that China is also a member of a local group of nations that lives side by side. India should solve it's problems with China in Himalayas. Not in IOR. Moreover if India can't protect IOR against China is a failure of Indian military machine.

Sri Lanka has no need for a military treaty with China. Sri Lanka is not threatened by India to a extent that we need China to balance it out. The issues facing Indo-Sri Lanka relations can be resolve by the both countries without external assistance.

Sri Lanka will not be with India nor against India. You have to come to terms with that.

 

[Razor]

Pathetic. Take your empty threats elsewhere. Tell that to a Paki or Nepali.

Don't take it as a threat. It is a geography lesson.
I like geography, so I mentioned it.

 

[HeinzGud]

Don't take it as a threat. It is a geography lesson.
I like geography, so I mentioned it.

I like geography too. But that doesn't make any sense regards to the Sri Lanka situation.

 

[AbRaj]

It is justifiable that LTTE fucked us cuz we had a very tiny and demoralized military for long time. But, India being the 4th largest army then, augmented with naval facilities and aircraft in larger quantities couldn't even completely finish the LTTE off. Pathetic mate.

Finishing up LTTE was never Indian responsibility, it's Lankan problem. Why should we waste aur resources for a country which is world known ass kisser

 

[kr9]

Nor does the Chinese need to use Sri Lanka as a base to attack India. It's just too stupid as a strategy.

I want to believe that.
I would also like to believe that the soviets did not station their missiles in Cuba during the Cold War.

Moreover if India can't protect IOR against China is a failure of Indian military machine.

Be aware that our defensive approach is because you are a part of the IOR and the adjacent seas. Do not mistake our restraint for failure.
But thank you for clarifying that we need not concern ourselves with your interests when it comes to the IOR. In the future, we promise to "SUCCESSFULLY" protect the region with our full force, regardless of whether we infringe on your sovereignty or not.

Sri Lanka will not be with India nor against India. You have to come to terms with that.

First, you aid potential threats to India. Then you say that you are neutral and that we have to come to terms with it??
That is like, for example, when a woman says that she can hit a man with no regard for him but he cannot hit back because he has to respect her. Neutrality is a two way street. And you need to come to terms with that.

You have every right to enter into treaties with any country you like. But do not be surprised when the Indian foreign policy starts to reflect those choices. Ultimately, your government would know what is best for you. I can respect that.

 

[HeinzGud]

Finishing up LTTE was never Indian responsibility, it's Lankan problem. Why should we waste aur resources for a country which is world known ass kisser

Then WTF? are you get butt hurt about Sri Lankan Tamils and the so called genocide. It's Sri Lanka's problem. Not India's.

 

[Razor]

I like geography too. But that doesn't make any sense regards to the Sri Lanka situation.

We all learn geography like a minor subject in school. But geography is much more important.
It determines cultures, the way nations trade, make war, make peace. It is an important factor in determining the realtions b/w nations and the fate of nations.

The area around SL/TN is very important maritime area for trade but also for defence. And SL cozying to PRC is a threat to us.
Your govt should understand that if it desires calm in the region. And china will try the IOR in case of war/peace with india.

So if you can maintain a balance that is well and good, else india will have to protect its interest.
And you (or anybody else) shouldn't mistake india's patience for some kind of weakness (or pussy as you termed it.)

 

[bose]

Sri Lanka stayed neutral in 1971. Sri Lanka stayed neutral in Sino-Indian conflict. If you say we couldn't let Pakistani planes land or let 7th fleet dock. Then we wouldn't have been neutral. First check your definition on neutrality. Sri Lanka don't dance for the Indian tune. Don't expect that from us.

7th fleet was given docking right in 1971 check your facts... even now you are secretly allowing Chinese submarine to dock ...

What the hell Indian did to stop LTTE leaders from fleeing? India did nothing.

India blocked the escape route for LTTE leaders, had they been able to flee it Jafna, they would have continued the fight...

 

[bose]

Allowing ships and plans to dock in Sri Lanka was wrong? How was it wrong? What right India have to tell Sri Lanka what to dock and what not to dock?

Yes, permitting nuke submarines which can be used for snooping on Indian navy installation ...

 

[bose]

Pathetic. Take your empty threats elsewhere. Tell that to a Paki or Nepali.

You are using a foul word for your friend Pakistan ? Are you not considering to buy their thunder blaster ?

 

[Rahul Singh]

India's proposal for association has been long seen as weakness by our beloved neighbors. And continue to do so. Not our problem. It's our nature, we don't usually bully.

Anyway we are not fighting any war with China as both of us are way too smart for that. But chinese are restless people, they will always aim to contain us in order to keep us away from economic competition as they have their share of aprihensons. For that it is developing so called string of pearls. Ok they can do it. Even our beloved neighbors can choose to be its parts. But are we missing anything, oh yes we are? We are not what we were during 60 years of Congress rule. We will use out tricks of trade to keep pacifying China so much so that tension my rarely go up. In that situation the importance of so called perls in string will decrease. And that will leave our beloved neighbors cut, chewed and spit to dry. At that point it will be us towards whom they will run. As it has been spoken by others, neither yellow sea is coming here nor Himalaya is pushing someone further north.

But we have to consider that once in time shit will surely hit fan and Chinese submarines may refuel at any sri lankan port and Sri Lankans may very well welcome them with red carpet in thier pursuit towards beneficial chinese friedship that ofcourse compromising big time on our security. Quite real and sometime it will happen surely . So what do we do. Let me avoid any direct reply, but will say, we are not second to anyone in IOR. Furthermore, don't let 60 years of Gandhi rule fool you. Times are changing and have already changed considerably. We now carry a big stick with usual white lilly. Choose what you like.

 

[no smoking]

India's proposal for association has been long seen as weakness by our beloved neighbors. And continue to do so. Not our problem. It's our nature, we don't usually bully.

Whenever a big power proposes for association to its neighbours, it is usually seen with sceptical eyes because no one wants to rely on the big one next to her for whatever reason. Today's "association" could become tomorrow's "control".

Anyway we are not fighting any war with China as both of us are way too smart for that. But chinese are restless people, they will always aim to contain us in order to keep us away from economic competition as they have their share of aprihensons. For that it is developing so called string of pearls. Ok they can do it. Even our beloved neighbors can choose to be its parts. But are we missing anything, oh yes we are? We are not what we were during 60 years of Congress rule. We will use out tricks of trade to keep pacifying China so much so that tension my rarely go up. In that situation the importance of so called perls in string will decrease. And that will leave our beloved neighbors cut, chewed and spit to dry. At that point it will be us towards whom they will run. As it has been spoken by others, neither yellow sea is coming here nor Himalaya is pushing someone further north.

Certainly it is good thing for Sri Lanka that 2 parties competing for her friendship. But unfortunately that is not how economic competition works out.

1. China have a deeper pocket than you.
2. Chinese need their port while India doesn't. So you are suggesting India to spend money on something you won't see value return.

But we have to consider that once in time shit will surely hit fan and Chinese submarines may refuel at any sri lankan port and Sri Lankans may very well welcome them with red carpet in thier pursuit towards beneficial chinese friedship that ofcourse compromising big time on our security.

Well, according to International law, Sri Lanka can refuel Chinese submarine any time as long as these submarines are not carrying battle mission. And there is no treaty on Sri Lanka to do so during war time.
Whether or not they will sign such kind of treaty depends on India. If India can offer no economic benefit but threat, well, there is a chance that they will do.

Quite real and sometime it will happen surely . So what do we do. Let me avoid any direct reply, but will say, we are not second to anyone in IOR. Furthermore, don't let 60 years of Gandhi rule fool you. Times are changing and have already changed considerably. We now carry a big stick with usual white lilly. Choose what you like.

Oh, you are second to American in IOR. So, here is your situation:
1. American has a bigger stick in your neighbourhood;
2. Chinese is giving larger carrot to your neighbour.