India-Israel Joint Airforce Exercises?

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Indian Airforce has a permanent officer level detachment (defence attache) in Israel...no ?
 

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Currently it infringes with foreign policy matters to do an open exercise with Israel, Iran is already threatening to stop oil supply because Hillary Clinton payed a visit to Delhi, you can take an wild guess on what immature rambling Iran will do if we have Israeli's doing war games in India.
Please don't mislead other people. India owes nearly USD 5 billion to Iran for its oil imports. Just recently, the RBI terminated a payment clearing mechanism for this region under intense US pressure. India hasnt been able to clear this debt due to the termination of the said mechanism and thus the Iranian Govt. has been compelled to issue this unofficial warning if India doesnt resolve the payment issues.

post.jagran.com/iran-threatens-to-stop-oil-export-india-owes-usd-5-billion-1311060825
 

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You mean giant India can be intimidated by wannabe Iran?
India imports nearly 15% (2.3 crore tonnes) of crude oil from Iran. Our energy sector will be crippled if this happens. And please stop this attitude of disregarding our old friends and allies by riding on the vague dreams shown by the selfish west. Iran has been our all weather friend for long, one country who have actively supported us in the Kashmir Issue. And what we Indians do after being shown a few colourful dreams of "India Rising" by the west, we disregard them. A time will come when we will have to pay for all this. Once the US was against us, they used Pakistan to defeat the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. And then what they discarded them.now the US have no regards or respect for Pakistani sovereignity. They conduct operations inside the Pakistani borders without any regard for the government there. Someday, we too will have to face the same situation and we will lose all the respect we earned over the international community over the years. Our present govt. is nothing but a pet dog of the west and someday due to their attitude we will face the same problem as the Pakistanis are facing now. Have regards for our old friends, please dont get hypnotised by the west.
 

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Please don't mislead other people. India owes nearly USD 5 billion to Iran for its oil imports. Just recently, the RBI terminated a payment clearing mechanism for this region under intense US pressure. India hasnt been able to clear this debt due to the termination of the said mechanism and thus the Iranian Govt. has been compelled to issue this unofficial warning if India doesnt resolve the payment issues.

post.jagran.com/iran-threatens-to-stop-oil-export-india-owes-usd-5-billion-1311060825
Well may be this one is off the mark but Iran has warned India if it gets closer to US then Iran will get closer to Pakistan. Thats why the announcement of this credit issue is also suspect to the timing of US visit. Haven't you read all that?
 

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can we use isreal airforce at war time
 

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Can't find the link but i did read about a pilot exchange between Issy and India,

"In already growing close relationship by India and Israeli has got a new boost when Indian air force (IAF) and Israel Defense Forces/Air Force (IDFAF) have agreed to exchange pilots between the two air arm, IDFAF pilot posted in India will be flying MiG-29B Baaz operating from Adampur Airbase which is located in western India (Punjab) 100 kilometers East of the Pakistan border, Adampur is one of 14 Indian Airbases under the Western Air Command within 300 kilometers of the Pakistan border. Adampur Airbase is home to at least 70 combat aircraft including two squadrons of MiG- 29s, (No. 47 Squadron - MiG-29A/C/UB" Black Archers", No. 223 Squadron - MiG-29A/C/UB "Tridents") two squadrons of MiG-23s and a squadron of MiG- 21s, while IAF pilot will be attached with Israeli Tayset squadron which operates F-16C/D Barak from Hatzor air force base Located near the lower west coast of Israel , Hatzor airbase is home to three squadrons of F-16 A/B/C/D operated by 101 , 105 , 144 Squadrons by IDFAF , similarly pilots from the Transport wing will also be exchanged IAF pilot will be attached to C-130 Squadron and a IDFAF pilot will be attached to IL-76 Squadron and IAF Helicopter pilot will be attached to CH-53 Squadron and a IDFAF pilot will be attached to MI-17 units ,this exchanged pilots will carry out routine training sorties from their respected posted Squadrons and after completion of their tenure will be replaced by other pilots from their respected air forces, Mig-29 is also operated by Syria and Iran which have hostile relationship with Israel and F-16 is operated by Pakistan which has hostile relationship with India ,these agreement will help deep understanding of functioning and tactics of each others air arm and also give deep insight into aircrafts operated by their rivals."
 

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I agree - a joint air-force exercise with Israel would give great opportunity for IAF pilots to understand how a professional (non-US) airforce uses the F-16. IAF can also learn and study the Israel AF strategies and combat tactics. It would alos be a powerful political statement to all the anti-india states - from Pakistan to Saudi Arabia.
If it hurts the soft sensibilities of Iran - they can stuff it up where the sun does not shine. If India let's themselves be blackmailed by Iran today, tomorrow i would be UAE, then Bahrain, Qatar - hell any country which sells oil to India can then blackmail us. This is the time when India can stand up and say - "dude, we have got a $2 Bn economy, growing at 9% per annum, we are a 1 Bn plus market and if you want a share of our pie, you have to play by our rules."
I hope India does naval, air and army exercises with Israel by 2012.
 

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This is like asking US to speak against Saudi Arabia, get the picture?
Didn't the US pressure ME dictators into resigning over the objections of the Saudi King? Although the US has a big ear for the Saudis but history will show that the Saudis have had a bigger ear for America. Both of them know that Saudi Arabia needs the US more than the other way around. That shold be the attitude of India to Iran.
 

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Well may be this one is off the mark but Iran has warned India if it gets closer to US then Iran will get closer to Pakistan. Thats why the announcement of this credit issue is also suspect to the timing of US visit. Haven't you read all that?

Listen first tell me what has India done. It has disregarded years of close ties with Iran in order to get close with the US which has for long been using third world nations to fulfill their selfish motives. India has banned the export of any materials that might help Iran in pursuing its nuclear programme in order to conform with the UN Sanctions. Come on now, its an open secret that the UN dances to the tune of the US on any issues. Why?? Isnt India doing the same thing? Didnt the other western powers do the same thing during cold war to counter the Soviet threat? Iran is surrounded by hostile neighbours along with an imminent US invasion on their heads. Isnt India doing the same thing to counter the Chinese threat? Its an open secret that India's nuclear programme was China specific. So you think that Iran doesnt have the right to defend themselves in the event of any hostilities. Tell me why is India doing this thing with someone who has long supported us in the Kashmir issue and all international issues. India is getting carried away to the illusion projected by the west of "India Rising". Try to answer that and then say such things about Iran. So its rightly justified that after being back stabbed by an old friend, Iran will obviously move closer to Pakistan.
 
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Listen first tell me what has India done. It has disregarded years of close ties with Iran in order to get close with the US which has for long been using third world nations to fulfill their selfish motives. India has banned the export of any materials that might help Iran in pursuing its nuclear programme in order to conform with the UN Sanctions. Come on now, its an open secret that the UN dances to the tune of the US on any issues. Why?? Isnt India doing the same thing? Didnt the other western powers do the same thing during cold war to counter the Soviet threat? Iran is surrounded by hostile neighbours along with an imminent US invasion on their heads. Isnt India doing the same thing to counter the Chinese threat? Its an open secret that India's nuclear programme was China specific. So you think that Iran doesnt have the right to defend themselves in the event of any hostilities. Tell me why is India doing this thing with someone who has long supported us in the Kashmir issue and all international issues. India is getting carried away to the illusion projected by the west of "India Rising". Try to answer that and then say such things about Iran. So its rightly justified that after being back stabbed by an old friend, Iran will obviously move closer to Pakistan.
Dude - STOP COMPARING INDIA WITH IRAN! That's it - just STOP!
Iran is an ISLAMIC REPUBLIC - with some of the most horrible laws, based upon archaic and twisted interpretation of sharia. Iran has one of the worst human rights record and worst record of media control. Anyone opposed to the Mullahcracy just disappear in Iran, with no trace and no explanation.
Iran is one of the few countries who still want to "oblieterate" Israel, for no other reason than that it is a Jewish state. The opposition to Israel in Iran is irrational, simply because Israel has never harmed iran or Iranian people anyway.
Iran is also a HUGE terrorist sponsor state. It has been funding, helping and training terrorists for 3 decades now. Presently, after Pakistan, the biggest terrorist threat is IRAN.
India was never Iran's OLD friend. Hell - Iran sold F-16 to Pakistan in the 1960s. In the 1980s, India opposed both Iraq and Iran in the Iraq-Iran war. In the 1990s, Iran secretly bought nuclear technology from Pakistan, which RAW tried to stop from happening. And get this right in your mind - Iran DOES NOT SUPPORT INDIA on KASHMIR issue -
http://www.timesofsrinagar.com/2010/11/22/india-feels-provoked-by-irans-support-for-kashmir/
The only reason Iran is friendly to India nowadays is because it needs to sell it's oil and EU/ US as well as China is not well disposed towards Iranian prices, making it difficult to increase Iran's oil export. So, India is their "new friend".
If Iran gets Nuclear weapons, the irrational Mullah WILL use it at first excuse on Israel, even knowing that any nuclear attack will bring retaliation - heck, in their mind, if they die, they will die fighting for Islam and will be going to Paradise with 32 virgins and everything else. I would hate to be anywhere near 1000 miles of the radioactive cloud hovering over middle east. What about you?
 
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Keeping in mind the sensitivity of the issue, IAF can always do a secret war drill with Israel. The best place would be in one of our war games. Israel can paint their F16's and Mirage-III's in IAF colour and join our game. The only country which can spot this is US . But since US is a friend of Israel, US will keep quite.
 

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and you guys seriously think there is no exchange programs between the airforces of India and Israel. everything you read in the newspapers is not accurate you know.

Remember rumours of a "non-Paki" F-16 flying over Indian Kashmir.....need I say more?
 

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F16 first flew in 1974, how did Iran sell one to Pakistan in the 60s? Second of all, Iran never got any F16s, it got F14s and it never sold any to Pakistan. It could barely use it's own after US sabotaged them before leaving Iran after it's revolution.
 

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F16 first flew in 1974, how did Iran sell one to Pakistan in the 60s? Second of all, Iran never got any F16s, it got F14s and it never sold any to Pakistan. It could barely use it's own after US sabotaged them before leaving Iran after it's revolution.
My Bad - I meant the F-86 sabres. Check this out ...

During the war, the United States barred sales of military equipment to Pakistan and the F-86 fleet was almost grounded due to lack of spare parts. Pakistan managed to procure around 90 Canadair CL-13 Sabre Mk 6 illegally from West Germany through Iran, these formed the backbone of the operations during the 1971 Indo-Pakistani War. The F-86 proved vulnerable to the diminutive Folland Gnat, which proved to be fast, nimble and hard to see. The IAF Gnats, given the nickname "Sabre Slayer," claimed to have downed seven PAF Sabres.[40][41][N 2]
North American F-86 Sabre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Look who supplied. West Germany, a US ally.

See guys, a lot of games are played at this level. Every country tries to secure it's interests. We have a big stake in Iran. It's a good entry point for us into Astan. We have out investment in Chhabar.

It's all about balancing all relations and learning to walk the tightrope!!
 

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Look who supplied. West Germany, a US ally.

See guys, a lot of games are played at this level. Every country tries to secure it's interests. We have a big stake in Iran. It's a good entry point for us into Astan. We have out investment in Chhabar.

It's all about balancing all relations and learning to walk the tightrope!!
True - but we should not let the Iranians browbeat us into who we choose to hold military exercise with.
 

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No the problem is that we "imagine" that someone will not like it and not do it. Unless we don't try, we won't know.

India launched a satellite for Israel. Was there any big hullabaloo?
 

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Didn't the US pressure ME dictators into resigning over the objections of the Saudi King? Although the US has a big ear for the Saudis but history will show that the Saudis have had a bigger ear for America. Both of them know that Saudi Arabia needs the US more than the other way around. That shold be the attitude of India to Iran.
What is ME? The US never talks of women's rights or human rights in Saudi. Just as much as Saudis need US the US's gas guzzling economy needs Saudi to. The US is cryonic addicted to oil and is behavior in Iraq is nothing more than an addict kicking over the drug store to feed his habit.
 

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You mean giant India can be intimidated by wannabe Iran?
India has had trouble with the Iranians. We have friendly relations with both Israel and US, two countries the Iranians are not happy with. Then there has been the recent problem over the payment of Iranian Oil and Gas. SInce neither US Dollars nor the Euro can be used because of UN Sanctions, the Iranians are pretty upset.

Then there is the Govt. in power here. The UPA is led by a coward who is under the thumb of UPA Chairperson mrs. Sonia Gandhi.
The main reason our dealings with Israel are all hush-hush and that we are not holding regular exercises with them is that Israel is a Jewish country and owing to India's large Muslim population, the UPA does not want to lose votebanks.
 

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Dude - STOP COMPARING INDIA WITH IRAN! That's it - just STOP!
Iran is an ISLAMIC REPUBLIC - with some of the most horrible laws, based upon archaic and twisted interpretation of sharia. Iran has one of the worst human rights record and worst record of media control. Anyone opposed to the Mullahcracy just disappear in Iran, with no trace and no explanation.
Iran is one of the few countries who still want to "oblieterate" Israel, for no other reason than that it is a Jewish state. The opposition to Israel in Iran is irrational, simply because Israel has never harmed iran or Iranian people anyway.
Iran is also a HUGE terrorist sponsor state. It has been funding, helping and training terrorists for 3 decades now. Presently, after Pakistan, the biggest terrorist threat is IRAN.
India was never Iran's OLD friend. Hell - Iran sold F-16 to Pakistan in the 1960s. In the 1980s, India opposed both Iraq and Iran in the Iraq-Iran war. In the 1990s, Iran secretly bought nuclear technology from Pakistan, which RAW tried to stop from happening. And get this right in your mind - Iran DOES NOT SUPPORT INDIA on KASHMIR issue -
India feels provoked by Iran's support for Kashmir | Times of Srinagar
The only reason Iran is friendly to India nowadays is because it needs to sell it's oil and EU/ US as well as China is not well disposed towards Iranian prices, making it difficult to increase Iran's oil export. So, India is their "new friend".
If Iran gets Nuclear weapons, the irrational Mullah WILL use it at first excuse on Israel, even knowing that any nuclear attack will bring retaliation - heck, in their mind, if they die, they will die fighting for Islam and will be going to Paradise with 32 virgins and everything else. I would hate to be anywhere near 1000 miles of the radioactive cloud hovering over middle east. What about you?
Listen, it was India who started all this by voting against Iran in IAEA in 2005 which took Iran by surprise and left them with a feeling of being let down by a friend of theirs' or rather a feeling of being backstabbed by a friend. And please dont go into their internal affairs. They are of no concern to us. In addition, the link you provided is dated onto 22nd November, 2010. Ya, I agree that Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei compared Kashmir to Palaestine and urged muslims to support their right to self determination, but this was in response to the tilt in New Delhi on Iranian affairs towards the west. Plus India withdrew from the Iran-Pakistan-India Gas Pipeline project, where Iran was ready to sell gas below 3 dollars per British Thermal Unit. Now India has to buy at the comercial price of 9 dollars per unit. India has backstabbed Iran many times before they responded. Moreover, who informed you about the F-16 sales to Pakistan. Seems like he has got very ordinary knowledge of history. Your aforesaid comment "Iran sold F-16 to Pakistan in the 1960s.", first tell me - Who developed the F-16? Well if your knowledge is not that weak then the US. When was its development started - 1971 as a prototype for the light fighter project. When did its first flight take place? - well 2nd February, 1974 and when was it introduced in the USAF - 17th August, 1978. And the most burning question - Does Iran have F-16s? - No (initial order of 300 of this aircraft were made but as a result of the Iranian Revolution, none were procured and 79 of these aircraft made their way to Israel). Moreover: Who sold the F-16s to Pakistan? - the US in 1983. So tell me why are you so intent on making yourself a laughing stock? Firstly misleading the thread by posting vague and disappropriate comments (I am refering to your comment on the 1st page on Iran moving closer to Pakistan coz Hillary Clinton visited India and then claiming F-16 sales to Pakistan by by a country who never had F-16 in their inventory some 14 years prior to its first prototype...lol :-D. And the relations between the two nations, well relations were chilled before the Iranian Revolution of '79 when Iran was a member of CENTO with Pakistan, a US led alliance. But Iran withdrew from the CENTO after the '79 revolution and thus went on to move closer to India following their common support to the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan between 1991-2001. Now regarding their secret buying of Nuclear technology from Pakistan in the '90s: "Please stop being a conspiracy theorist". Dude, first please check out your facts before commenting on this thread. This is the second time you are doing it. Don't just comment at your whim just becoz you feel like commenting.

P.S. :- you seem like a very communal person at heart. Stop making religious anti-muslim statements in a public forum. India is not a Hindu country. Its a Secular Democratic Republic (not a "Communal Hindu Republic"). Try to maintain a secular attitude.:tea:
 

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