India is heading towards destruction

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  1. CrYsIs

    CrYsIs Regular Member

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    I am not a pessimistic person but seeing the situation of our country today,there is hardly any room for optimism.

    India with a population of 1.2 billion people has an economy as big as Canada which has a population of 33 million.This goes on to show that india is geopolitcally irrelevant.

    With vast majority of our rapidly growing population suffering from unemployment/underemployment,undernourishment,malnutrition,lack of education,healthcare,sanitation India's supposedly demographic dividend is turning into a demographic disaster.

    The above mentioned coupled with rising inequality and falling female sex ratio would spell doomsday for india.

    Even though india suffers from such massive problems that even the lord will not be able to rescue us,the heartless political class who are plundering the country are doing absolutely nothing .


    What india needs is massive market reforms and massive investment in infrastructure,healthcare and education.But instead India is squandering it's limited resources on wasteful populist schemes which would end up creating an unhealthy dependence on state.

    These populist schemes as seen from past experience will not make a dent to india's scio economic issues but whats certain is that it will surely make india bankrupt in a few years time.

    India's growth rate has fallen to less than 4% where as china's has rebounded to 7.8%.This means the gap between india and china would further increase.With increasing gap no amount of agni v or even VI or arihanth class nuke subs or vikranth class aircraft carriers can come to india's rescue incase of a chinese invasion.India is just so poor that even to just get a tag of a moderate level middle income country it has to grow at 8% for forseen future.If this low growth trend is not reversed india is heading towards a total economic collapse.
     
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    If NaMo becomes PM, India will become SUPERPOWER by 2020. :thumb:
     
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    The chances of him becoming PM and BJP coming to power is very slim.Even if BJP becomes the single largest part there is no chance of it forming a government because it has very few allies.

    It seems the congress and other nation destroyers will be having the last laugh!
     
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    Some of the regional parties such has Jayalalitha, NCP, Jagan / Chandrababu and probably Janata Dal in Orissa will support BJP entually to get rid of currupt Congress...

    Congress have to go this time... they are the destroyer of the nation...
     
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    CrYsIs Regular Member

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    The problem is NDA even with most optimistic prediction taking these potential allies into account will be able to get 186-190 seats which is well short of majority.

    and NCP and Biju janata dal will never join NDA,thats for sure....
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The election 2014 it appears will not give a clear mandate to any coalitions.
     
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    My biggest fear is that some hotch-potch unstable 3rd/4th front govt with congress support will come to power pushing india back to dark days of economic doldrums!
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I have become a fatalist!

    No matter which party comes to power, there will be the lotus eaters and power brokers working overtime, whereby even the best of intentions and scheme will not fructify to the extent desired to do good for the Nation and its people!
     
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    Yes completely agree!

    The problem will remain the same regardless of whichever political party comes to power.Indian political set up is too much fragmented & fragile to produce a strong decision making government which is required for strong socio economic growth.

    If the current set up of governance is not changed rest assured that india will forever remain a poor backward country as it has been the case for the last 66 years.
     
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    BLAME IT ON SO CALLED "OH-I'M-SO-SECULAR-HINDU-SO-I-VOTE-"YOUTH ICON" :mad::mad::mad:
     
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    In international relations strength matters the most and this strength comes from strong economy.US is a superpower because it is the strongest country in the planet and this political strength comes from it's enormous financial strength.


    India is neither opening up it's markets nor is it industrializing rapidly nor it is investing heavily into infrastructure,health & education.As a result there will be no generation of financial resources to feed and provide for it's growing billion plus population.

    And by this the country is doing a criminal act of keeping it's population in poverty and misery.

    And with a very poor economy it will become irrelevant in international politics as seen from the fact that it will not be able to get even a non permanent seat in security council for next decade or two.India from what it appears India has a very bleak future.
     
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    What do you propose? Everyone knows about the problems too well.

    From the above posts..I gather you want a chinese style government? Or atleast an absolute central power which aggressively pushes aside differences while pursuing development, and reforms.

    I am not for opening up markets too easily though. Like allowing walmart in easily,while they dump products rake in the cash, thus rendering a lot shop owners and their dependents jobless, ultimately repeating the British destruction of the indian economy, specifically the textile industry.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I don't think one would want a Chinese type of Govt.

    What one would want is a more decisive Govt thar also does not appear to be deceiving the Nation and merely concerned in feathering their nest.
     
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    Absolutely... this will exactly be the result if we open up the markets too easily. Domestic players are simply not ready to fight back the onslaught that will follow the Opening up of the markets. Simply, speaking of the retail industry, it is dominated by family own shops, which give livelihod to the family and few more people... they are already facing the might of Indian biggies (Rel Fresh, Food world etc.) Now, as the opening up of retail will bring in multi brand retailers who can set up a complex of shops that will be spread across acres of space. How much do we think the petty shop owners can put up against this might??

    This opening up of retail segment is coming up just because the urban youth has money to spend, that money being paid to them by multinationals who outsource the work to India. Why does this hard earned money be let out of India? The Multi brand retailers should procure majority of the products that they will sell in their shops from India, which they wont.

    Now, for example, we have Tiruppur a industrial town that produces cotten garments and even exports them world wide. Inner weear produced in Tiruppur are sold across the country. Bulk of which are sold in small textile shops owned by families again. Many are employed in the factories in Tiruppur and many are emploed in the Tex shops which sell the cloth those factories produce. Now we will have the Walmart procuring these textile items from Bangladesh or some other country that will have low labor cost. Who will bat for the livelyhoods lost in India??
     
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    partial quote

    most of india is in favour of that happening - we have to wait only less than a year to see if it will
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    What India requires is clear rules and regulations for foreign investment. One cannot flip flop.

    Such investments must have Indian partner, who would have controlling rights.

    The grant of various permission for the same should be first be approved by a Screening Committee and all decisions done upfront and reported to the Parliament Committee, so that there is no underhand activities!
     
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    predicting doomsday is fashionable these days. the Delhi-Mumbai and other industrial corridors will give major boost to the growth in coming decades. good government can only accelerate it further. and we get a chance to select new government every five years.
     
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    India's problems are too immense and too severe that projects like DMIC will not make a dent on it.What will building an industrail corridor on an already industrilzed part of india do?

    What india needs is money to invest in education,healthcare and infrasture. The money comes from investment which can only be brought by opening up the market.

    Without liberalization there would be no investment and hence no money for anything including cheap votebank winning populist schemes.
     
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    there should be some form of protectionism but not absolute protectionism as done by indian government.

    And the people who you are talking of are middle men and not farmers who make up the majority of this country.Market reforms in areas like retail would at least ensure that the marginalized farmers would get a fair deal.

    We need money,money comes from investment and investment comes from market reforms.Therefore no market reforms = no money.
     
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    Without this absolute protectionism, Indian domestic industries would be wiped out in couple of years.
    Any country has to go through this absolute prtectionism in its initial stage of industrilization. But the key factor to success is what you do during this period: preparing youself for the coming foreign competition--infrastructure, mass scale worker eduction, govt/social structure. How do you know if you are ready? The goal is: you can produce some manufacturing product at a lower price with a reasonable quality.

    In the past 20 years, you have plenty of foreign investments coming to your stock market. The problem is all these money has been used to invest in Indian companies' foreign factories.
     

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