India is a long way from acquiring the attitude of a great power

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The highlighted parts tell the story.

    Quo Vadis, India?
     
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    Jaswant Singh in his book 'A Call to Honour' makes an important point in his chapter upon Tibet.Basically he says India's leaders during freedom movement led a non-violent struggle unlike other nations of the world. Hence they, and the general masses lacked a sense of 'strategic mindset' related to defense and geopoltical issues.He attributes our fumbling in Tibet and Kashmir to lack of such a mindset.The problem is even after 65 years this mindset is yet to develop as demonstrated by the confused response or rather the lack of it in Maldives.So we while make noises about being on world stage there is no actual plans that will really take care on India's interests.
    As somebody had said - 'Big Boys dont stay at home'. The problem we know we have to get out of home , but what we will do once we are out is not clear.
     
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    Exactly the same points for Israel Iran thread.
     
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    We Indians would like to keep everybody happy and end up displeasing everyone.

    The only time i can recall GOI thinking strategically with long term implications, was when India engaged with the USA ( JAswant Singh-Strobe Talbot/Nicholas Burns talks) in the aftermath of the Nuclear tests. These talks led to to the foundation of removing the pariah tag of a Nuclear India.
     
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    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    Indira gandhi certainly would send shivers down the spines of many in our region and further if she were at the helm today rather than in the 70's.
     
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    And the best part is that the Delhi police Chief copies and pastes a Video Game instruction to appear 'knowledgeable' about the 'bomb' being used for the Israeli diplomat's car.

    How pathetically untrained our anti terrorist organisations are!

    And the Govt claims that they are 'on top' of the problems of terrorism!
     
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    Apparently so, our anti-terror personnel are not adequately trained. On the other hand, I don't find anything wrong in depending on computer games for information. They are very accurate and well researched. Even the US Army has a programme for its recruits to experience real war scenarios with ArmA 2.
     
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    On this point alone the Police Chief needs to be sacked. How stupid can you get.
     
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    Here the computer games were not used for information alone. The gaming instructions were passed off as technical info on the bomb.
     
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    You may have a look at what the Delhi Police Chief handed out as the technical details of the explosive used.



    They are instructions for the GAME!

    That much for the efficiency and expertise of these so called anti terrorist organisation that is fed with immense amount of funds given for gearing the Police to respond to all terror threats!
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if the police chief didn't even search for it on the internet. I bet he told local hawaldar to look it up and took credit and made as ass of himself.

    But yes, he should be sacked.
     
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    At least he should have read it before it was circulated to the media in his name.
     
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    What a circus the Delhi Police is!
     
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    How loathsome can our khaki buffoons get?...
    NSG does does not have a single combat IPS officer...
    No state AT team as an IPS combat officer...

    Paper pushers with too much power.
     
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    Thanks sob and Ray Sir. That's very funny.
     
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    It is not funny.

    It scares me that such incompetent poofs are there who strut around with authority and totally are at sea in their professional expertise.

    And they are there to protect you and me - the average citizen - from terrorists!

    What a laugh!

    And we cannot carry firearms and even if we do with a licence, if we protect ourselves, the law is for the assassin and not the victim!

    We are a helpless lot who has to eke their own existence without the societal comforts that the law gives the citizens!

    All talk and no action!
     
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    I feel circulating it was a big mistake, this should have left to the forensic team/bomb specialising team.

    But the only way we can say whether the police are good or not is if they catch the perpetrator and prevent this from happening again. I would also like to remind people that the very same police have managed to keep other important people and politicians safe so far.
     
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    I don't know whats worse

    The fact that this may have happened as described
    Or
    Indian reporting sets yet another standard in bullshit, and we all take it for fact.

    The original ToI article claiming what happened was so far the only thing to refer to that event.
    Delhi cops find ‘sticky bomb’ in game? - Times Of India

    Honestly , i don't trust this article to be telling the truth. The way its structured , and the fact they seem to be the only ones talking about it. While there were apparently other "journalists" present as well.

    It sounds like BS and knowing ToI as i do it probably is.

    The commissioner may have said that he spent time researching Sticky bombs internet.

    There may have also been a pamphlet circulated around to the reporters regarding The terraria bomb instructions.

    However I think Its ToI BS that puts the two events together to make it seem as though they are related. For all we know that pamplet may not have even come out of the Police office.
    They did not even put up a copy of it.

    Be warned Reporting standards are declining globally, India has some of the worth reported i have ever had the misfortune of reading. They Will sensationalize anything to get more readers.

    Also the "DEMANDS OF GREATNESS"
    follows a similar trend , providing gross over simplified scenarios and India's actions with regards to them to sell us their Point of View.
    Its lumped up a bunch of events , forgone of any relation and context and provided them to us as proof of India's Complete Ineptitude.
    It also refers to other countries and political factors in such a generalized sense that any real comparison with them is impossible.



    It all sounds like dribble and quite honestly I struggled to read that article from the start i could see that the reporter lacked perspective and knowledge on what he was talking about. First offer better standards for journalism then we can actually change the country where it matters

    India already has so many real problems , why make shit up.
     
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    Sir, I can assure you that many chiefs of police in large US cities are equally clueless and out of touch with street-level law enforcement. By the time they have have reached their high position they have been irredeemably tainted by politics. On the other hand, County Sheriffs, who are usually elected, seem in general much more capable.
     
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    I think what Mr. Ewald is saying is that Police chiefs should be like Joe Arpaio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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