India interceptor missile test for strategic deterrence: China

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  1. abhi_the _gr8_maratha

    abhi_the _gr8_maratha Senior Member Senior Member

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    India's successful test to intercept an
    incoming missile at high altitude has
    evoked mixed reactions among
    Chinese military and strategic experts
    who believe that advances made by
    India in anti-ballistic missile
    technology are aimed at strategic
    deterrence.
    India's anti-missile test on Sunday
    intercepting targets outside the
    atmosphere is more aimed at "strategic
    deterrence", as this technology will
    make its enemies feel the strike power
    of their missiles is diminished, Wang
    Ya'nan, a senior editor at Aerospace
    Knowledge magazine, told state-run
    Global Times.
    The Indian interceptor missile was
    test-fired from the launch complex-IV
    on Wheeler Island, just over a minute
    after the target missile was fired from
    a ship located nearly 70 km off the
    Paradip coast.
    India is developing a two-tier missile
    defence system, which will destroy an
    incoming missile outside the earth's
    atmosphere, and if that fails, go on to
    intercept it within the atmosphere.
    The missile is capable of destroying an
    incoming missile with a strike range of
    around 2,000 km outside the
    atmosphere.
    While some Chinese military experts
    agreed that India has made progress in
    missile interception technology, others
    cast doubt over the significance of the
    latest launch.
    "It's hard to conclude whether India's
    anti-missile technology has reached a
    certain level, as they also launched
    the target missile, so the launch time
    and ballistic data are all readily
    available," the daily quoted an
    unidentified Chinese missile expert.
    He said China has developed relatively
    mature anti-ballistic missile
    capabilities based on Russia's S300
    system which are ready for combat,
    but India is still experimenting with it.
    China bid to sell its Red Flag-9 anti-
    missile system to Turkey last year in a
    potential USD 3.44 billion deal,
    although NATO then exerted pressure
    on Ankara to abandon the deal, which
    still hangs in the balance.
    Song Zhongping, a former lecturer on
    missile technology and now military
    affairs commentator in Beijing, said
    India's new interceptor missile "could
    only be similar to the level of Chinese
    missiles in the 1990s".
    He said that the target missile was not
    advanced and lacks effective evasive
    techniques which had made it easier
    for the interceptor to strike the target.
    In real combat, however, it is hard for
    even the most advanced interceptors
    produced by the US, such as the Patriot
    missile, to hit Chinese missile targets,
    another missile expert said.
    India has tested seven interceptor
    missiles in recent years of which six
    were successful.
    The expert admitted China's anti-
    missile technology is at least 15-20
    years away from the US, in terms of
    the response time,target accuracy and
    comprehensive information
    technology.
     
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  3. sesha_maruthi27

    sesha_maruthi27 Senior Member Senior Member

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    It is difficult to read the text. Please make the required changes to get the dispaly of the text in a proper format.....
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    Don't be a Chinese.

    You can do more than COPY-PASTE. You are doing this often now. :dude:
     
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    Is that ballistic missile?
    What kind of ballistic missile can be fired from a ship?
     
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  7. Hari Sud

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    Chinese comments are understandable. India's technology is at a preliminary stage. It has to evolve further into a more robust and reliable. The real test would come when stage 1 and 2 of the missile interception are deployed and then the target missiles of 2000 km range is fired from Indian Ocean or Arabian Sea without the knowledge of the interception crew. If they track it and shoot it down, then only Indian intercept missile system has acquired a maturity. Later tests could be identifying the missile which carries a warhead and which one is dummy. Shooting down the right missile and ignoring the others would be next leap.

    Still it is a great feet. Chinese have to be definitely concerned about the strategic implication of these tests and later it's deployment to protect valuable Indian assets.
     
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    The AD-1 and AD-2 tests could involved Agni-I.
     
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    Are there any plans to develop anti- anit ballistic missile defence system.:hehe:
     
  10. Compersion

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    If PRC tests such a system in the future it means they felts its influence.

    But they have a carrier killer which India does not and ICBM with greater range apparently and the 1 MT test from a fighter bomber. Why the need to look at PRC envy.

    India can do much more is the thinking we must have and not worry about what others think.
     
  11. LalTopi

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    There is already a main thread for Indian BMD and indeed this news article was already posted there by @Sea Eagle.

    @Mods please merge.
     
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  12. Bheeshma

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    LoL Chinese comments are a joke. China has zero BMD capability. The HQ-9 is a cheap low quality knock off of S-300 which itself can only engage ballistic missiles at less than 30 km altitude. They are still clamoring for S-400 which can increase that to 60 Km. They are basically still stuck with something inferior to AAD.
     
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    Yup one random test makes it a proven system.:rofl:. Only chinese missiles have this unique ability.
     
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    I am now educated that Chinese HQ 9 is only capable of shooting a missile at 30 km.

    It's improvements are some time off in the future. I am surprised that the Turkey was buying a low capable system for $3.2 billion.

    That makes India ahead. It negates the Chinese official's comments that this system is where they were in nineties. They were nowhere in nineties. In Ninties, theywere begging from Bill Clinton for more and more FDI and low yuan and Dollar value to make their dollar store products really worth a dollar.

    What now the DRDO has to do is to perfect the system sooner than later and offer it to Turkey, since their purchase from have stalled.

    Can more educated people on this forum describe to a layman more about the HQ 9 system. What components in HQ 9 are Russian and what did the Chinese add or deduct from it.
     
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    Turkey is not trusted enough to offer them anything beyond the outdated patriot missiles.
     
  17. Compersion

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    How you define the exo-atmospheric kill vehicle ability for each country. My understanding is that india has tested pad and aad. This PDV is a evolution of pad to take the exo-atmospheric kill vehicle and target missiles above 120 km. once the PDV is successfully implemented the configuration of all the layers pad, PDV, aad will provide a special and specific layer of ballistic missile defence that work together and in conjunction not many countries have. One point is for sure people will evaluate how the others test comparatively and relatively in the future and even if they dont test at all.

    If one states they have exo-atmospheric kill vehicle one has to look at the actual qualifications. I believe india is part of a small club of countries with such abilities.

    Sukhoi su30 mki and sm (is perhaps something along the lines what india is doing) with ballistic missile defence. The finer details ...
     
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  18. no smoking

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    All I suggest is that Chinese has been working on BMD, and based on the test result, their tech already reached certain level.

    How many times did you see western media reporting Chinese test DF31? very few!
    How many times did you see western media reporting Chinese test DF41? very few!
    How many times did you see western media reporting Chinese test JL-2? very few!
    How many times did you see western media reporting Chinese test of ASAT? Very few!

    In general, PLA doesn't report its weapon experiment to public unless it was leaked by US intelligence first or do it for political cause.
     
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    Come to sanity..folks...China and India both have enough weapons to destroy each other....BUT..the big question is...Why would 1.30 billion Chinese and 1.25 billion Indians would like to destroy each other? Just because someone else wants it?
     
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    Looks like you did some homework. But the only problem is: who tell you that Chinese is using HQ 9 for missile defence test?

    Quote from the guardian news:
    ""We did not receive prior notification of the launch," Maj Maureen Schumann, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said. "We detected two geographically separated missile launch events with an exo-atmospheric collision also being observed by space-based sensors. "
    Can HQ 9 with only 30km flight ceiling reach that high?
     
  21. LalTopi

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    The PLA will report it when they have a credible BMD to report. This is because no country will hide a credible BMD if they have one, as the whole point is that you want to advertise to your adversaries your capabilities and hence prevent a nuclear exchange. I suspect that to date Chinese strategists have been focused on its main Adversary the US which has advanced ICBMs, to which China has no BMD interception capability hence the real China focus has been on developing attack capability rather than defence. Now that India can defend against 2000km BMs the Chinese strategists will wake up to the fact that with Phase 2 India will also be able to stop 5000km BMs such that China will be in the position that India can nuke China but that Chinese missiles will not get through. I.e the strategic balance of power with respect to India will change. China will be forced to divert its resources to also developing terminal BMD system as well as developing attack capability MIRV etc.
     

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