India in talks with Russia on lease of second nuclear submarine

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    India in talks with Russia on lease of second nuclear submarine

    India is in talks with Russia for the lease of a second nuclear submarine, said a senior official in the Russian defence industry.

    India is ready to finance the completion of a partly constructed nuclear submarine which sits at the Amur Shipbuilding Plant in the Russian Far East, the Russian government news agency RIA Novosti quoted an unnamed “highly-placed” source in the defence industry.

    The submarine belongs to the same Project 971 as the Nerpa submarine which India leased from Russia in 2011 for 10 years at a cost of $970 million. It was commissioned as INS Chakra in April 2012.

    “India has expressed interest in having the second submarine of this project completed,” the Russian official said. “The strong hull of the submarine is fully ready and carefully kept in a slipway at the Amur Shipyard.”

    The official said an inter-government agreement for the resumption of the submarine construction is “in the works”.

    “As was the case with the first submarine, the second one would be up for lease, not sale,” he said.

    Russia had agreed to lease two nuclear submarines to India under a package deal for the retrofit of the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, but four years ago Russia’s top defence export official suggested that Moscow could lease “several” nuclear submarines to India.

    “There is a real possibility of leasing to India for 10 years several of our nuclear powered multi-role submarines of Project 971 ‘Shchuka-B’ class,” Director of Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS) Mikhail Dmitriyev said in December 2008, shortly after the delivery of the Nerpa submarine was postponed following an accidental discharge of poisonous fire-fighting gas aboard the vessel that killed 20 seamen during sea trials.

    However, Russia today has only one unfinished Project 971 submarine, Irbis, which was mothballed due to lack of funds at the Amur Shipyard in the 1990s when it was 42-percent ready.

    The Hindu

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    great thing... But its also waste of money to lease them for 10 years or so at the cost of new submarine itself.. neways we need it badly to learn to deter ...
     
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    The leasing period can be extended, so theoretically we could use it for decades.
     
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    No russian need their submarines too :D dont u think ? They lease it for 10 years price tag of 1 bil $ which india contributed for its construction ...we can build our own nuke sub for this money..But we lack will to do so.Every thing is on paper never will come true... Sad state of ur defence sectors... We wont learn leason untill get hecked by china and pakistan... even after then it ll be some what fine after the war..But againg we will repeat the same mistake and BABUs and Netas will thrive and develop their family :sad:
     
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    After lease terms will India has the option to buy them? Can anyone confirm.
     
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    Russia leasing it because they don't need it right now, rather because they do not have the money to finish its construction. India's payment will allow them to finish construction.

     
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    lease is just a hogwash. Generally these leased submarines will be kept by India itself till its lifeterm ends.
     
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    Last time India leased from USSR, it returned it
     
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    Not this time, this time lease comes with an option of ownership.
     
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    Russians will be chargin alot for those subs at the time...

    If everything goes smoothly India will have atleast 2(more) Arihant class subs by 2020.....
    and by then the lease of one current sub acquired in 2010 will be over ...

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    we wud have added few Scorpean class subs....



    Keeping that in mind I dont think India shud use the option of buying it....

    I trust Russians more than others but dependency on any other Nation is bad....

    Even alternative to french subs must be looked upon.....
     
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    the lease is actually a sale..term introduced to escape npt which disallows sale of nuke stuff..much lik "lease" of tridents to uk by usa..so guys chill.
     
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    Lease or buy...I don't care......next 10 years are extremely crucial for defense of India as World has become a jungle and some powers can do anything to destroy other nations economies to save their own economies. Terrorist supporting nations are also a threat. All will be settled in 10 years. When you are vulnerable to your destruction, do you bargain for a few bucks? India needs some big weapons NOW and RIGHT NOW to deter aggression. I also agree that India needs to mass produce its own weapons but that is going to take time.
     
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    Even if the lease is signed now.. wont it take as much time as to build a new sub?? since its not been built yet?
     
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    It won't be all new hull. They started it in 1994 and halted it after 60% of the construction work done.

    Now they can complete it and lease it to India.
     
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    There are subtle difference in manning and operating nuclear submarines. Training is most essential. The second nuclear submarine on lease will go a long way to train sailor in nuclear submarines, who will form a nucleus to man the other nuclear submarines being made indigenously.

    Given the forays of the Chinese into the Indian Ocean and the Bay of Bengal, it is essential to have adequate submarines in either side so as to keep a check on the Chinese forays and even deter them to the extent feasible without open hostilities.
     
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    Wont that take atleast 3-4 years to complete the hull outfitting and sea trials before handing over? new sub takes 5-6 years??
     
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    It's all about Russia then, can't say anything more.
     
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    MOSCOW, March 24. /TASS/. India has asked Russia to transfer another nuclear submarine for lease, a high- placed source in the system of Russia’s military and technical cooperation with foreign countries said on Tuesday. The project 971 Kashalot-class submarine may become the second submarine that Russia transfers to India for lease, the source said.

    "In January this year, the Indian side suggested transferring the second project 971 multipurpose nuclear submarine Kashalot for lease," the source said, adding "the Russian side is studying the issue." "The procedure will most likely be similar to the procedure, which was used for transferring the first submarine called Nerpa (dubbed Charka by India) to the Indian side," the source said. A representative of Russia’s ship-building industry also told TASS that "the Indian side is requesting to transfer this submarine to it for lease." TASS has not yet received any official confirmation of this information. The project 971 Nerpa nuclear submarine joined the Indian Navy in the spring of 2012. The submarine was laid down back in 1991 and Russia finished its construction after it received financing from the Indian side. The Nerpa was leased from Russia for a term of ten years. The Times of India reported late last year that India wanted to lease the second Russian nuclear submarine.



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