India has 3rd-highest number of HIV-infected people in the world

[thethinker]

Orthodox and extremely underdevelopped regions of FATA and parts of Balochistan resist to polio vaccination, it's been a success compaign in densely populated eastern provinces. The new outbreak is due to high migration from FATA. Now with over 800.000 people in IDP camps including 300.000 children, its a golden opportunity to vaccinate them and we are exploiting it.

But you haven't answered my question. Is a handful polio cases compared to 2.1 million HIV infected people more important hence 4-5 threads?

The world definitely thinks so, there are no travel restrictions when it comes to people traveling from India. But for Pakistan travelers, it is a different ball game.

As far as your comparison of 2.1 million HIV v/s "handful of polio cases", why not state them each as a percentage of both countries?

 

[thethinker]

Orthodox and extremely underdevelopped regions of FATA and parts of Balochistan resist to polio vaccination, it's been a success compaign in densely populated eastern provinces. The new outbreak is due to high migration from FATA. Now with over 800.000 people in IDP camps including 300.000 children, its a golden opportunity to vaccinate them and we are exploiting it.

BTW it seems that everything in Pak happens in future tense. Will do this, will do that, will vaccinate, we have a golden opportunity here and so on.

Please state some concrete and more importantly finished developments before you start of with another Indo-Pak comparisons.

 

[Blackwater]

My question still remains unanswered; Are 94 polio cases in Pakistan more important than 2.1 million and rising number of HIV infected in India?

How many aids cases in Pakistan ???

 

[thethinker]

From the same article :

" The HIV treatment, according to a NDTV report, is only 36 per cent in India though there are 51 per cent of AIDS-related deaths in the country.

The number of HIV infections declined in India by 19 per cent but still accounts for 38 per cent of all new infections in the region.

The AIDS-related deaths declined by 38 per cent between 2005 and 2013. There was more access to HIV treatment in the country during this period. More than 700,000 people were on antiretroviral therapy at the end of 2013 - the second largest in the world."

On same note :

How is polio treatment being managed in Pakistan?
How much percentage has it declined on yearly/multi-yearly basis?
How many people are being treated currently?

No future fantasy opinions please, only hard numbers as they exist of now.

 

[Neo]

From the same article :

" The HIV treatment, according to a NDTV report, is only 36 per cent in India though there are 51 per cent of AIDS-related deaths in the country.

The number of HIV infections declined in India by 19 per cent but still accounts for 38 per cent of all new infections in the region.

The AIDS-related deaths declined by 38 per cent between 2005 and 2013. There was more access to HIV treatment in the country during this period. More than 700,000 people were on antiretroviral therapy at the end of 2013 - the second largest in the world."

On same note :

How is polio treatment being managed in Pakistan?
How much percentage has it declined on yearly/multi-yearly basis?
How many people are being treated currently?

No future fantasy opinions please, only hard numbers as they exist of now.

I have not looked in the exact figuere but 300.000 children in IDP camps are currently being vaccinated. Utban area's have a high percentage of vaccinated children.

Better ask polio porn addicts who spend considerable time searching for new cases in Pak media every day. They will have more info.

 

[thethinker]

I have not looked in the exact figuere but 300.000 children in IDP camps are currently being vaccinated. Utban area's have a high percentage of vaccinated children.

Better ask polio porn addicts who spend considerable time searching for new cases in Pak media every day. They will have more info.

Your argument had the following basis :

India has more HIV cases compared to Pakistan
Why is Pak polio cases of more importance than HIV cases in India

To answer that, first look them up as a percentage of total population.

Next, compare the trend of these two diseases.

While HIV cases in India declined by 19%, polio cases actually increased in Pakistan.

Then, compare the medical screening of people traveling outside both these nations. That should give you an idea which country is deemed more at risk globally.

 

[Ray]

The reporting of disease in any country depends on the vigilance and accounting.

It indicates as robust health reporting organisation.

In countries with poor health and poor health reporting organisation, it is obvious one does not come to know unless there is an epidemic.

Since the issue of Polio has been raised this is what is comment from POLIO ERADICATION & ENDGAME STRATEGIC PLAN 2013-2018

The GPEI Strategic Plan 2010-2012 saw a number of breakthroughs. The intense focus on
interrupting transmission led to success in India – widely considered the country with the most
technically challenging conditions for interrupting poliovirus transmission in the world.
http://www.polioeradication.org/Portals/0/Document/Resources/StrategyWork/PEESP_CH5_EN_US.pdf

Polio endemic nations are Northern Nigeria, Pakistan, southern Afghanistan.

In Nigeria, the programme introduced house-based microplans for the first time in 2012, heavily informed by the success in areas of India that overcame similar issues with missed areas and missed populations. The development of house-based microplans requires a physical walk-through of all areas by local leaders and supervisors to determine daily vaccinator work areas by enumerated households. These microplans are tightly linked with vaccinator tally sheets, capturing the teams' work by household and allowing cross verification. This is in contrast to previous microplans that simply named an area, established an estimated number of children that the team should cover and allowed the teams to simply record tallies of their achievements, making it difficult to hold them accountable for missed children or areas.

One cannot blame Pakistan for Polio becoming endemic.

This religious conflict in the tribal areas of Pakistan is one of the biggest hindrances to effective polio vaccination. Epidemiologists have detected transmission of wild poliovirus from polio-endemic districts in Afghanistan, most of which are located in the southern region of this country bordering Pakistan, to tribal areas of Pakistan

This transmission has resulted in new cases of polio in previously polio-free districts. The local Taliban have issued fatwas denouncing vaccination as an American ploy to sterilize Muslim populations. Another common superstition spread by extremists is that vaccination is an attempt to avert the will of Allah. The Taliban have assassinated vaccination officials, including Abdul Ghani Marwat, who was the head of the government's vaccination campaign in Bajaur Agency in the Pakistani tribal areas, on his way back from meeting a religious cleric.

Education, awareness and enlightenment will one day surely come to Pakistan and God Willing, Polio will get eradicated in Pakistan.

Not an impossibility, when Nigeria, also a Muslim country comprising of 50.4% of Nigeria's population, has already taken Polio Eradication seriously.

 

[Neo]

Your argument had the following basis :

India has more HIV cases compared to Pakistan
Why is Pak polio cases of more importance than HIV cases in India

To answer that, first look them up as a percentage of total population.

Next, compare the trend of these two diseases.

While HIV cases in India declined by 19%, polio cases actually increased in Pakistan.

Then, compare the medical screening of people traveling outside both these nations. That should give you an idea which country is deemed more at risk globally.

94 polio cases vs 2.1 million HIV infections hardly makes a comparison yet everyone is obsessed with Pakistan. This is the only point I wanted to make.
I don't care if India has 2.1 million, 21 million or 210 million cases or what GoI is doing to counter that or how many HIV infects we have in Pakistan. Any comparison between the two struggling nations would be like a stupid calling another stupid 'stupid'.

So its really stupid to mock us with polio outbreak when you have much alarming situation with a deadly desease.

 

[Blackwater]

94 polio cases vs 2.1 million HIV infections hardly makes a comparison yet everyone is obsessed with Pakistan. This is the only point I wanted to make.
I don't care if India has 2.1 million, 21 million or 210 million cases or what GoI is doing to counter that or how many HIV infects we have in Pakistan. Any comparison between the two struggling nations would be like a stupid calling another stupid 'stupid'.

So its really stupid to mock us with polio outbreak when you have much alarming situation with a deadly desease.

ur comparison polio V/S AIDS is invalid ,failed attempt , try ur frustration in another thread

 

[Blackwater]

94 polio cases vs 2.1 million HIV infections hardly makes a comparison yet everyone is obsessed with Pakistan. This is the only point I wanted to make.
I don't care if India has 2.1 million, 21 million or 210 million cases or what GoI is doing to counter that or how many HIV infects we have in Pakistan. Any comparison between the two struggling nations would be like a stupid calling another stupid 'stupid'.

So its really stupid to mock us with polio outbreak when you have much alarming situation with a deadly desease.

Pakistan sees eight-fold increase in HIV cases in 11 years

Pakistan sees eight-fold increase in HIV cases in 11 years - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

 

[Blackwater]

Pakistan sees eight-fold increase in HIV cases in 11 years

Pakistan sees eight-fold increase in HIV cases in 11 years - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

this is despite 50% pak is no go area, imagine if world gets data from whole pakistan,

 

[Blackwater]

this is despite 50% pak is no go area, imagine if world gets data from whole pakistan,

@Neo................

 

[thethinker]

94 polio cases vs 2.1 million HIV infections hardly makes a comparison yet everyone is obsessed with Pakistan. This is the only point I wanted to make.
I don't care if India has 2.1 million, 21 million or 210 million cases or what GoI is doing to counter that or how many HIV infects we have in Pakistan. Any comparison between the two struggling nations would be like a stupid calling another stupid 'stupid'.

So its really stupid to mock us with polio outbreak when you have much alarming situation with a deadly desease.

Please explain this "much alarming situation" as you put it for India.

Decline by 19%, 38 per cent fatalities drop between 2005 and 2013 for HIV in India compared to the polio rise you have there is alarming for you compared to India.

 

[Neo]

The reporting of disease in any country depends on the vigilance and accounting.

It indicates as robust health reporting organisation.

In countries with poor health and poor health reporting organisation, it is obvious one does not come to know unless there is an epidemic.

Epidemic or pandemic, there's a huge difference between the two. Yes we have HIV, Dengue, Polio, Maleria, Naegleria Fowleri and some other viral deseases in Pakistan but none of them is of pandemic magnitude. Yet it is exagerated, celebrated and made mockery of here at DFI which really saddens me.

We are grown ups, why not act like matures?

 

[Blackwater]

94 polio cases vs 2.1 million HIV infections hardly makes a comparison yet everyone is obsessed with Pakistan. This is the only point I wanted to make.
I don't care if India has 2.1 million, 21 million or 210 million cases or what GoI is doing to counter that or how many HIV infects we have in Pakistan. Any comparison between the two struggling nations would be like a stupid calling another stupid 'stupid'.

So its really stupid to mock us with polio outbreak when you have much alarming situation with a deadly desease.

HIV/AIDS: Pakistan has one of Asia's highest HIV prevalence rates


HIV/AIDS: Pakistan has one of Asia's highest HIV prevalence rates – The Express Tribune


open new thread with new topic,try ur frustration there,

 

[thethinker]

I don't care if India has 2.1 million, 21 million or 210 million cases or what GoI is doing to counter that or how many HIV infects we have in Pakistan.

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You shouldn't care at all about what GoI does. However as a concerned Pakistani, you might want to ask GoP about how the health authorities are managing polio over there.

Please feel free to ask them why the increase in polio, why lack of vaccinations and why the extra health measures for everyone who travels out of Pakistan.

 

[Neo]

Please explain this "much alarming situation" as you put it for India.

Decline by 19%, 38 per cent fatalities drop between 2005 and 2013 for HIV in India compared to the polio rise you have there is alarming for you compared to India.

Don't look at percentage but exact number of infected people. There is a decline in new registerations but the vast figure is increasing.
Afaik there is still no cure for HIV and it is contageous. 2.1 Million sounds quite alarming to me.

 

[Ray]

Even though people may talk about HIV and AIDS like they are one and the same, they are not the same thing. HIV is the virus that infects a person. AIDS is the disease that later develops in people with HIV. Today, drugs make it possible for people with HIV infection to live a very long time before ever getting AIDS. How long you have the HIV infection before developing AIDS depends on a few things. Some of these things you can control, like taking your medicine on time every day.

How is AIDS different from HIV? | womenshealth.gov

 

[thethinker]

Epidemic or pandemic, there's a huge difference between the two. Yes we have HIV, Dengue, Polio, Maleria, Naegleria Fowleri and some other viral deseases in Pakistan but none of them is of pandemic magnitude. Yet it is exagerated, celebrated and made mockery of here at DFI which really saddens me.

We are grown ups, why not act like matures?

Please ask them to do that first rather than expecting the world to change for you :

Pakistan: Where conspiracy theories can cost a child's life

KARACHI, Pakistan — When health workers approached Zulfikar Quaid about inoculating his three children against polio, Quaid picked up an old cricket bat inside his home and waved it at them. "Get out of my house," he yelled. "My children are Muslim and we don't need your dirty Hindu drugs."

The health workers he was yelling at were stunned — though they'd become accustomed to hearing some Karachi residents' resistance to vaccines, they'd never heard it linked to a Hindu conspiracy before.

 

[Ray]

Epidemic or pandemic, there's a huge difference between the two. Yes we have HIV, Dengue, Polio, Maleria, Naegleria Fowleri and some other viral deseases in Pakistan but none of them is of pandemic magnitude. Yet it is exagerated, celebrated and made mockery of here at DFI which really saddens me.

We are grown ups, why not act like matures?

I concede that from the Pakistani viewpoint, anything mentioned about Pakistan, even if it from international agencies/ organisation/ UN or reports, it is exaggerated.

It is true that nothing happens in Pakistan which is noteworthy or of concern.

Maturity comes when one looks at issues dispassionately.

It does not come from false jingoism or replicate the ostrich.

Maturity is indicated in the full post # 27.



How is the contention in my post as below, to which you have replied incorrect?

Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
The reporting of disease in any country depends on the vigilance and accounting.

It indicates as robust health reporting organisation.

In countries with poor health and poor health reporting organisation, it is obvious one does not come to know unless there is an epidemic.

In Pakistan, how do you justify that Polio enumeration can be feasible when there is religious opposition and murders to polio drops being being administered?

Some logic and maturity, right?