India gets its Universal soldier

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  1. venom

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    Troops to be armed with self-injecting solutions during chemical wars; will also carry anti-cyanide drug vials

    Antidotes to fight nerve damages and blisters

    Remember Jean-Claude Van Damme as the indestructible soldier armed with self-injectable energy boosters from the Hollywood flick Universal Soldier? Now, some parts of the thriller are ready to be replicated at our borders.

    With the rising threat of nuclear and biological warfare in a terrorised world, the country's defence forces are gearing up to deal with fatal chemical attacks.

    Chemical Ali

    The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has developed two self-injectable chemicals that will be carried by soldiers to save themselves from chemical contamination.

    "We have developed two auto-jet injectors which will keep soldiers safe from the ill-effects of chemicals during a war. One of the antidotes works against nerve damages, while the other one saves a soldier from blister-causing agents. Both can be administered by the soldier himself right in the battlefield," said Dr W Selvamurthy, chief controller, Life Sciences, DRDO.

    These two drugs have already reached the forces and industrial partners have been roped in for their production.

    Miracle dope

    Another miracle drug that is being developed can protect a person from cyanide poisoning. "Laboratory tests have been conducted successfully and the next step of human trials will begin shortly," Selvamurthy said.

    Interestingly, the anti-cyanide poisoning drug Alpha Ketoglutarate is banned in the sporting world due to its performance enhancement qualities.

    "Cyanide poisoning affects human cells by cutting the oxygen supply to them. Alpha Ketoglutarate is the only antidote against it. Animal trails have proved its capabilities and we are hopeful it will be made available to the defence forces very soon," said Selvamurthy.

    DRDO officials also informed the drug can help firemen, who are often exposed to deadly fumes. "In case of a fire, the fumes are more dangerous than the blaze. The smoke can not only hamper rescue operations, it can kill a person as well. This medicine is an effective antidote to fume poisoning," said a senior DRDO official, wishing anonymity.

    The drug has civil uses as well. "It can be used in cases of intentional or accidental poisoning," said the official.

    Makers
    The antidotes are being prepared by Gwalior-based Defence Research and Development Establishment (DRDE), which has applied to the Drug Controller General of India for approval.

    Taboo for some
    The anti-cyanide poisoning drug Alpha Ketoglutarate is banned in the sporting world due to its performance enhancement qualities.

    Army 2020
    The Army has envisaged a concept called Future Infantry Soldier as Combat System that aims at enhancing the capability of infantry personnel by adding special gadgets to the uniform. The project, which is still at its concept stage, is expected to become a reality by 2020.

    >>The uniform will have special gadgets which will help the soldier guide the fighter aircraft to the enemy target
    >>Palm top data receivers attached to the uniform. The device will get charged from the uniform
    >>Guns will be more lethal with under barrel rocket launchers
    >>The clothing will be modified to act as an antiseptic adhesive to heal skin and bone injuries
    >>Fireproof combat uniform to protect the soldier in the battlefield
    >>Uniform will have special communication devices attached to it for better coordination between troops

    Suit to live
    DRDO has incorporated vials of these miracle drugs in the Nuclear-Chemical-Biological (NBC) suit that will be worn by our soldiers in the near future. The suit is the primary protection layer against chemical contamination and special tests are being carried out to equip it with life-saving mechanisms. "This is not mere clothing but can carry several life-saving medicines and gadgets that can save lives during a war," said a DRDO official.

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  3. prahladh

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    Do we (DRDO) have a branch working on Nano-tech? Most of them need nano-technology to minituarize these gadgets.
     
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    I don't know if its under DRDO, but we have a centre for nanotech in Bangalore. It's a govt organization.
     
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    This is very good news for the armed forces of this countries who require to expose themselves to hostile environment to guard our frontiers. Such life saving medicine will certainly going to increase efficiency of the soldiers, as they won't require to bother about the prospects of Biological or Chemical attack in instable environment. DRDO has doing a good job by truly transforming our soldier to suit the requirements of modern battlefield. GOI and all its entities should actively support such Innovation, so that we can also take the offspins of this innovations meant for Military purpose to get mobilized for Civilian use.
     
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    India gets its Universal soldier
    By: Anshuman G Dutta Date: 2009-07-10 Place:Delhi


    Troops to be armed with self-injecting solutions during chemical wars; will also carry anti-cyanide drug vials

    Antidotes to fight nerve damages and blisters

    Remember Jean-Claude Van Damme as the indestructible soldier armed with self-injectable energy boosters from the Hollywood flick Universal Soldier? Now, some parts of the thriller are ready to be replicated at our borders.

    With the rising threat of nuclear and biological warfare in a terrorised world, the country's defence forces are gearing up to deal with fatal chemical attacks.

    Chemical Ali

    The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has developed two self-injectable chemicals that will be carried by soldiers to save themselves from chemical contamination.

    "We have developed two auto-jet injectors which will keep soldiers safe from the ill-effects of chemicals during a war. One of the antidotes works against nerve damages, while the other one saves a soldier from blister-causing agents. Both can be administered by the soldier himself right in the battlefield," said Dr W Selvamurthy, chief controller, Life Sciences, DRDO.

    These two drugs have already reached the forces and industrial partners have been roped in for their production.

    Miracle dope

    Another miracle drug that is being developed can protect a person from cyanide poisoning. "Laboratory tests have been conducted successfully and the next step of human trials will begin shortly," Selvamurthy said.

    Interestingly, the anti-cyanide poisoning drug Alpha Ketoglutarate is banned in the sporting world due to its performance enhancement qualities.

    "Cyanide poisoning affects human cells by cutting the oxygen supply to them. Alpha Ketoglutarate is the only antidote against it. Animal trails have proved its capabilities and we are hopeful it will be made available to the defence forces very soon," said Selvamurthy.

    DRDO officials also informed the drug can help firemen, who are often exposed to deadly fumes. "In case of a fire, the fumes are more dangerous than the blaze. The smoke can not only hamper rescue operations, it can kill a person as well. This medicine is an effective antidote to fume poisoning," said a senior DRDO official, wishing anonymity.

    The drug has civil uses as well. "It can be used in cases of intentional or accidental poisoning," said the official.

    Makers
    The antidotes are being prepared by Gwalior-based Defence Research and Development Establishment (DRDE), which has applied to the Drug Controller General of India for approval.

    Taboo for some
    The anti-cyanide poisoning drug Alpha Ketoglutarate is banned in the sporting world due to its performance enhancement qualities.

    Army 2020
    The Army has envisaged a concept called Future Infantry Soldier as Combat System that aims at enhancing the capability of infantry personnel by adding special gadgets to the uniform. The project, which is still at its concept stage, is expected to become a reality by 2020.

    >>The uniform will have special gadgets which will help the soldier guide the fighter aircraft to the enemy target
    >>Palm top data receivers attached to the uniform. The device will get charged from the uniform
    >>Guns will be more lethal with under barrel rocket launchers
    >>The clothing will be modified to act as an antiseptic adhesive to heal skin and bone injuries
    >>Fireproof combat uniform to protect the soldier in the battlefield
    >>Uniform will have special communication devices attached to it for better coordination between troops

    Suit to live
    DRDO has incorporated vials of these miracle drugs in the Nuclear-Chemical-Biological (NBC) suit that will be worn by our soldiers in the near future. The suit is the primary protection layer against chemical contamination and special tests are being carried out to equip it with life-saving mechanisms. "This is not mere clothing but can carry several life-saving medicines and gadgets that can save lives during a war," said a DRDO official.

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    MOD EDIT: Who has made you moderator here?
     
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    YouTube - DDRO develops Human Soldier Weapon System.

    Helmet mounted display, Wrist mission computer, multi caliber rifle (5.56,7.62mm and 6.8mm) with UBGL, Anti-shrapnel gogles...so far nice. the gun is impressive if ready, it will be the only kind in the world
     
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    A few questions:

    1. How much weight does this add to the normal carrying load of the jawan?
    2. What kind of information would the jawan (not unit leader/NCO/ JCO/ Officer) glean from the wrist computer? Is it going to be information about his immediate surroundings (temp, air quality etc.) or a "big picture" about the battlefiled? If it is the former I suppose there is some use for it; if the latter then I guess it would end up confusing the jawan and risking the overall mission objectives
    3. How are the doctrines changing to reflect this type of gear usage? Will the universal soldier be able to call up the supporting IAF Sq. Leader using his mobile computer and order an attack on the enemy positions?

    Not saying that any of this is useless, just interested in understanding how this actually translates to battlefiled usage
     
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    One has to understand the DRDO.

    They have scanty knowledge of warfare and hence the perpetual disconnect between them and the Armed Forces. Users are incorporated, but then they (DRDO) live in their rarefied air!

    Further, they are quick to publicise their ‘gains’ even before they are ready.

    Now, why in the name of Scott will a soldier require to guide aircraft? As it is, with supersonic aircraft, the FAC or GLO (they are officers) find it difficult to guide the aircraft on to the target from the Pull Up Point and to imagine a soldier doing it! I am sure it is meant for officers. Further, while the method of instruction in the Army is in Hindi, it is in English for the Navy and Air Force IIRC since the ratings and airmen talk in English most of the time.

    Again, what will a soldier do with a palmtop? It will be for commanders.

    Under Barrel Grenade Launchers are already there. So what is so new

    If everyone has a communication device, then there will be total confusion. Again, it is for commanders. At each level of command, there is a separate communication net and another for one higher echelon. If more are added, it will be quite a problem in regulating and controlling the signal traffic!
     
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    Ray sir, this weapons may not go with the present set up of IA, but it is necessity in future and we can't just close our eyes to this, given the fact that other are doing R&D and inducting similar sytem.

    In future same thing happen as you have seen in Iraq-US war, be it first or second one, where one side had 70-80's tech and other had state of the art tech, what happen was history.

    R&D in defence should never be stop, IA and DRDO should work hand in hand like the corporation of IN and DRDO.
     
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    Pakistan & China cannot even think of sending its soldiers to fight against Indian Semi robotic [Robocop] soldiers....ha ha
     
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    While I appreciate your concern, yet claims that a soldier will call in aircrafts etc is just bogus.

    What will the soldier know of how the battle is to progress?

    If each man Jack becomes the decider of what is to be done, can you imagine the chaos?

    I am very doubtful if a US soldier can call in fighter aircraft support!

    And what is the soldier to do with a plamtop?

    Battles are fought on a plan with inherent flexibility with the commander on the spot.
     
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    sir what you are saying is true for IA at present, but this is future of warfare, that is why the programme is called F-INSAS.........

    yeah it will be officer of IA who, will make decision on ground, i have seen video on disovery channel in afganistan where the special forces called in air support to take on talibs. but those were special forces.

    you will also appreciate the fact that if these tools are available to ground commanders and they can planned with the help of network centric warfare, which is future...... what can be achive by that..........
     
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    Network Centric Warfare is a different kettle of fish.

    It does not mean that the sepoy takes over the command of the battle!

    I will give an example of real life.

    If every worker in a company which manufacture soap is allowed to decided the composition of the soap, then will it ever be produced?
     
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    India Launches Soldier-Gear Effort

    By vivek raghuvanshi, NEW DELHI
    Published: 22 Jul 2009 11:38

    India plans to to develop weapons and gear for individual soldiers through a public-private effort called Futuristic Infantry Soldier-As-A-System (F-INSAS), Defence Minister A. K. Antony told Parliament on July 22.

    "Integrated Management System with Public-Private-Partnership is contemplated in order to produce cost-effective system in large quantity," Antony said.

    The gear will improve soldiers' firepower, communications, and mobility.

    A July 22 ministry statement said, "The Qualitative Requirements for F-INSAS is being finalized together by the developer and army, identifying critical technologies requirements."

    One ministry official said two critical technologies will be designed and developed by the state's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) - a multicaliber individual weapon and an air-bursting grenade.

    Other arms and gear will include anti-tank guided missiles, thermal sights and launchers; bulletproof vehicles; anti-materiel rifles; advanced carbines; surveillance radars; ground sensors; secure communications; guided ammunition; laser rangefinders; and light clothing and bulletproof jackets.

    New clothing will include nuclear-biological-chemical protection.

    India Launches Soldier-Gear Effort - Defense News
     
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    I think the disconnect results when the average soldier is portrayed with these high end tools which he may not have a use for.

    Even in the future, better armour and weapons is something that is essential for a soldier, not palmtops. A soldier needs to carry out the orders given by his CO, period. He just needs the proper tools to be able to do that. He certainly does not need to "scan the battlefield".

    Field computers and data devices may be necessary for the unit commanders (to get the big picture of the immediate battalefiled or to receive data and instructions from their COs), but displaying that device on a soldier creates this confusion. I don't believe the DRDO gives much thought to presentation.

    The official statements, or at least the media reports of those are even worse. The soldier guiding the aircraft is a perfect example.

    About calling in air support, in the future even regular troopers (or unit NCOs/ JCOs) might be required to do that. The technology for that is already there, developing an operational doctrine with the IAF (or at least the Army Aviation Wing) is mroe important.
     
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    A Google-Earth like feature showing his current location too would be great to have along with each soldier.
     
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    Hope this would be a step towards F-INSAS. read somewhere that our future soldiers would be equiped with gadgets that would protect them from chemical and biological weapons.
     
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    Rimser,

    I see how that can be useful for a unit CO, not sure what use a jawan would do with that tool. We would like the jawans to be foccused on their OPOBJ, and follow the directions given by the Unit CO

    The IA currently trains for NBC conflicts. you can llo up Exercise Ashwamedh and Shatrunash for more info
     
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    (For a full pledged conventional war)
    I was thinking of full situational awareness ( where the fire is coming from, how many pigs, etc) which will enable better planning of commander and a better understanding of the situation for Jawan. Just my guess.
    Also by Google-Earth I don't literally mean GE, I even want live video on the palmtop (if possible) or images updated by UAV, Spy Sat, Sat which now-a-days (in the future) have good resolution. Something like in the movie "Behind Enemy Lines"
     

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