one of the most positive things of India being inducted into MTCR is that we now get access to a lot of dual use technology which was earlier unavailable. a lot of people are justifiably delighted with import/export of finished products such as missiles and Predator drones etc. but i believe the real coup lies in the fact that we now have access to the technological know-how and the means i.e. machinery/tooling/equipment which we can now use for further developing & improving our weapons besides improving on the country's technological base. if we are to fully exploit the benefits of MTCR i believe that india based private companies such as Tata, Reliance, Mahindra should be given a given a bigger role in defence rather than solely relying on DRDO and OFB besides our favourite method of just importing every nut/bolt outright.
India gets entry to MTCR
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yes that will also open door to many unemployed engineers .. which is serious if u see their numbers.. plus lot of engineers end up in IT sectors irrespective of their branches..situation in mechanical engineers is more pathetic coz those poor souls arnt evn hired by IT secotrs..
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India joins MTCR: 7 things the country stands to gain
Benefit to ISRO:During the cold war years, Russia denied cryogenic technology to India. However, in a welcome change ISRO will now have access to restricted high-end technologies for developing its cryogenic engines in order to enhance space exploration.
Sale of BrahMos:India will be able to sell the Indo-Russian supersonic cruise missile BrahMos to Vietnam and other countries in a development that would make India a significant arms exporter.
Procurement of Israel's Arrow II missile:In its bid to develop indigenous Ballistic Missile System, India wanted to procure Arrow II theatre missile defence interceptor from Israel but was denied due to the MTCR sanctions. The newly-forged membership will help India in the procurement of Arrow II, which will further help India defend itself against Pakistani or Chinese ballistic missiles.
Buying surveillance drones:India will be able to buy surveillance drones from other countries like the American Predator drones (e.g. the Avenger drone). The US might also consider exporting UAVs, Reaper and Global Hawk, which have been key to counter-terrorism efforts in countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen.
Boost to Make in India:Indian technology that will be developed or made under the flagship of Make in India will see free movement out of the country, which in turn will contribute to the success of the programme.
Step closer to NSG:The accession to MTCR is one step closer to India's membership to the 48-member NSG (Nuclear Suppliers Group). It also gives India a chance to engage with other global non-proliferation players.
One-upping China:Significantly, China, which opposed India's entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group at the just-concluded Seoul plenary, is not a member of 34-nation MTCR.
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Why is supply/development of cryogenic engines restricted? Also, doesn't ISRO already have an on-going cryogenic engine development program?
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If MTCR also takes decisions through consensus then India should vote against China joining it unless China supports our cause (NSG, UNSC etc).
Supply of cryogenic engine tech does comes under MTCR as these could be used in development of ICBM. After Russia denied the tech to India, India did start the development of it on its own and these led to delay of the GSLV series. Although we were eventually able to develop the engine, but now with participation in MTCR the road has been cleared for further venture in this field.
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India's MTCR entry may be cause of worry for China, say strategists
India officially joined MTCR on June 27, days after it was denied entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group
India's entry into the elite club of Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) may pose a challenge to China, strategists say.
That's because it would open the door to legally sell or transfer its sophisticated missiles to others, particularly to countries in Asia.
"MTCR would legitimise and speed up the process of selling missiles, especially the BrahMos to Vietnam which had already shown interest in buying it, and Hanoi would not hesitate in hitting a Chinese ship," Bharat Karnad, research professor at Centre for Policy Research and anational security expert, told IANS.
He added that if India speeds up the process of sale of BrahMos to Vietnam, it could pose a threat to China's "Fourth Fleet, or the 'Ghost Fleet', that is eyeing dominance in the Indian Ocean, India's backyard.
The Chinese Navy has three fleet commands, one each in the Yellow Sea, East China Sea and South China Sea. In late 2014, reports came about a fourth fleet that is being deployed in the Indian Ocean Region, a point of concern for India.
"BrahMos is a supersonic cruise missile. It doesn't give a chance to the ships to defend themselves. One shot means one kill," Karnad said, explaining why the BrahMos is the most sought after weapon.
"India is a soft country. Vietnam has a stomach to fight, they are not risk averse as India. Chinese can't take risks with Vietnam, which will respond vigorously," Karnad said. He added, "This will create a very difficult situation for Chinese. They will be worried."
Vietnam and China are at loggerheads over the South China Sea, with Beijing laying claim to most of the mineral-rich sea. China has also protested over Vietnam and India entering into agreements on oil exploration cooperation in the sea. Raising of a Fourth Fleet was Beijing's response to the New Delhi-Hanoi cooperation.
"A country is known by its enemy, as we are by Pakistan, which is a minor threat. China doesn't consider us a threat as it does the USA. The MTCR would change that perception in China regarding India," he said.
India has become the 35th member of MTCR. China has been trying to become a member of the regime for 12 years. The membership would help legitimise transactions of high-end missile and Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) technology.
India could also use this membership as an opportunity to block the entry of China and Pakistan into the club, experts suggested.
Besides Vietnam, countries like the Philippines, South Korea, Algeria, Greece, Malaysia, Thailand, Egypt, Singapore, Venezuela and Bulgaria have shown interest in buying the BrahMos, made through an India-Russia collaboration.
Apart from missile technology, India can now also acquire an earlier denied technology for developing cryogenic engines, crucial for space explorations, as well as for acquiring ballistic missile shield or protection system.
Strategic affairs expert Uday Bhaskar said that while nuclear and missile technology is the core of strategic capability of any country, the MTCR membership would help in setting up new perspectives for India.
It may also help in procuring UAVs, drones including the MQ-1 Predator drones from the US.
India officially joined MTCR on June 27, days after it was denied entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), another elite club of 48 nations following strong Chinese opposition.
"It is desirable for India to be part of both NSG and MTCR," Bhaskar told IANS.
But Karnad feels otherwise. "I don't understand why there was such a hue and cry for NSG, which is really not necessary. We have already crossed the weapons threshold and already have all those leverages required under the 2008 waiver," Karnad said, adding that the NSG might add further restrictions.
India was given a unique waiver by then 45-member NSG in September 2008, lifting an embargo on civil nuclear trade imposed after India exploded its first nuclear device in 1974.
Beijing then too had opposed the decision and agreed only after Washington intervened.
India officially joined MTCR on June 27, days after it was denied entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group
India's entry into the elite club of Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) may pose a challenge to China, strategists say.
That's because it would open the door to legally sell or transfer its sophisticated missiles to others, particularly to countries in Asia.
"MTCR would legitimise and speed up the process of selling missiles, especially the BrahMos to Vietnam which had already shown interest in buying it, and Hanoi would not hesitate in hitting a Chinese ship," Bharat Karnad, research professor at Centre for Policy Research and anational security expert, told IANS.
He added that if India speeds up the process of sale of BrahMos to Vietnam, it could pose a threat to China's "Fourth Fleet, or the 'Ghost Fleet', that is eyeing dominance in the Indian Ocean, India's backyard.
The Chinese Navy has three fleet commands, one each in the Yellow Sea, East China Sea and South China Sea. In late 2014, reports came about a fourth fleet that is being deployed in the Indian Ocean Region, a point of concern for India.
"BrahMos is a supersonic cruise missile. It doesn't give a chance to the ships to defend themselves. One shot means one kill," Karnad said, explaining why the BrahMos is the most sought after weapon.
"India is a soft country. Vietnam has a stomach to fight, they are not risk averse as India. Chinese can't take risks with Vietnam, which will respond vigorously," Karnad said. He added, "This will create a very difficult situation for Chinese. They will be worried."
Vietnam and China are at loggerheads over the South China Sea, with Beijing laying claim to most of the mineral-rich sea. China has also protested over Vietnam and India entering into agreements on oil exploration cooperation in the sea. Raising of a Fourth Fleet was Beijing's response to the New Delhi-Hanoi cooperation.
"A country is known by its enemy, as we are by Pakistan, which is a minor threat. China doesn't consider us a threat as it does the USA. The MTCR would change that perception in China regarding India," he said.
India has become the 35th member of MTCR. China has been trying to become a member of the regime for 12 years. The membership would help legitimise transactions of high-end missile and Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) technology.
India could also use this membership as an opportunity to block the entry of China and Pakistan into the club, experts suggested.
Besides Vietnam, countries like the Philippines, South Korea, Algeria, Greece, Malaysia, Thailand, Egypt, Singapore, Venezuela and Bulgaria have shown interest in buying the BrahMos, made through an India-Russia collaboration.
Apart from missile technology, India can now also acquire an earlier denied technology for developing cryogenic engines, crucial for space explorations, as well as for acquiring ballistic missile shield or protection system.
Strategic affairs expert Uday Bhaskar said that while nuclear and missile technology is the core of strategic capability of any country, the MTCR membership would help in setting up new perspectives for India.
It may also help in procuring UAVs, drones including the MQ-1 Predator drones from the US.
India officially joined MTCR on June 27, days after it was denied entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), another elite club of 48 nations following strong Chinese opposition.
"It is desirable for India to be part of both NSG and MTCR," Bhaskar told IANS.
But Karnad feels otherwise. "I don't understand why there was such a hue and cry for NSG, which is really not necessary. We have already crossed the weapons threshold and already have all those leverages required under the 2008 waiver," Karnad said, adding that the NSG might add further restrictions.
India was given a unique waiver by then 45-member NSG in September 2008, lifting an embargo on civil nuclear trade imposed after India exploded its first nuclear device in 1974.
Beijing then too had opposed the decision and agreed only after Washington intervened.
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I posted there first, then here.Kindly post this one in relative thread....................
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MTCR benefit: India, Russia to develop 600-km range cruise missiles that can cover entire Pakistan
NEW DELHI: India's offensive capacity, especially against Pakistan, is set to take a huge step forward with New Delhi and Moscow deciding to jointly develop a new generation of Brahmos missiles with 600 km-plus range and an ability to hit protected targets with pinpoint accuracy.
This range enables these missiles to strike anywhere within Pakistan. That Russia can work with India to produce these missiles is thanks to New Delhi joining the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) in June this year.
MTCR guidelines prohibit its members from transfer, sale or joint production of missiles beyond 300-km range with countries outside the club.
Brahmos' current range is 300 km, which makes it difficult to hit targets deep inside Pakistan. India has ballistic missiles with longer range than the next generation Brahmos. But Brahmos' ability to take down specific targets, even well-protected ones, makes it a potential game changer in any conflict with Pakistan. Ballistic missiles are powered for the initial half of their flight path and they use gravity to complete their trajectory. But cruise missiles are powered throughout.
This makes a cruise missile like Brahmos similar to a pilot-less fighter jet that can be maneuvered in flight, programmed to attack targets from any angle and evade enemy missile defence systems. Brahmos can, for example, take down terror camps or hideouts even in mountain areas, where natural protection makes any other offensive action, bar crossing the border, ineffective.
The Indo-Russian agreement, signed during the bilateral summit at Goa, also includes development of missiles with smaller range that can be fired from submarines and aircraft. The deal was not made public at the summit — where other projects like sale of frigates and the S-400 air defence system purchase — were announced. Vladimir Putin told journalists from his country that the missile deal has also been signed. "We have also agreed to improve the Brahmos missile, which will be land, air and se ..
ET spoke with several senior Indian officials involved in negotiations. They confirmed that a pact to double the range of the Brahmos missile was finalised. These officials spoke on the condition they not be identified. They also said producing longer-range Brahmos will not be tough because no fundamental reworking is involved in increasing the range. India, post its MTCR membership, is also pursuing export options for its 300-km range Brahmos. Vietnam has expressed interest in the missile syste ..
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
NEW DELHI: India's offensive capacity, especially against Pakistan, is set to take a huge step forward with New Delhi and Moscow deciding to jointly develop a new generation of Brahmos missiles with 600 km-plus range and an ability to hit protected targets with pinpoint accuracy.
This range enables these missiles to strike anywhere within Pakistan. That Russia can work with India to produce these missiles is thanks to New Delhi joining the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) in June this year.
MTCR guidelines prohibit its members from transfer, sale or joint production of missiles beyond 300-km range with countries outside the club.
Brahmos' current range is 300 km, which makes it difficult to hit targets deep inside Pakistan. India has ballistic missiles with longer range than the next generation Brahmos. But Brahmos' ability to take down specific targets, even well-protected ones, makes it a potential game changer in any conflict with Pakistan. Ballistic missiles are powered for the initial half of their flight path and they use gravity to complete their trajectory. But cruise missiles are powered throughout.
This makes a cruise missile like Brahmos similar to a pilot-less fighter jet that can be maneuvered in flight, programmed to attack targets from any angle and evade enemy missile defence systems. Brahmos can, for example, take down terror camps or hideouts even in mountain areas, where natural protection makes any other offensive action, bar crossing the border, ineffective.
The Indo-Russian agreement, signed during the bilateral summit at Goa, also includes development of missiles with smaller range that can be fired from submarines and aircraft. The deal was not made public at the summit — where other projects like sale of frigates and the S-400 air defence system purchase — were announced. Vladimir Putin told journalists from his country that the missile deal has also been signed. "We have also agreed to improve the Brahmos missile, which will be land, air and se ..
ET spoke with several senior Indian officials involved in negotiations. They confirmed that a pact to double the range of the Brahmos missile was finalised. These officials spoke on the condition they not be identified. They also said producing longer-range Brahmos will not be tough because no fundamental reworking is involved in increasing the range. India, post its MTCR membership, is also pursuing export options for its 300-km range Brahmos. Vietnam has expressed interest in the missile syste ..
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
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Our esteemed friend @Martian said someday,
So, my dear friend, :biggrin2:
Number of MCTR Technologies produced by the following nations out of total 94 technologies:
India : 81
Pakistan : 39
China : 92
Iran: 21
Israel: 74
Turkey: 4
USA:94
UK:94
Russia:94
France: 93
Japan: 93
Saudi Arabia:0
North Korea:25
South Africa : 34
South Korea: 42
Vietnam: 0
http://www.mtcr.info/english/MTCR_Annex_Handbook_ENG.pdf
India produces 81 out of 94 technologies in MTCR!
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So, my dear friend, :biggrin2:
Number of MCTR Technologies produced by the following nations out of total 94 technologies:
India : 81
Pakistan : 39
China : 92
Iran: 21
Israel: 74
Turkey: 4
USA:94
UK:94
Russia:94
France: 93
Japan: 93
Saudi Arabia:0
North Korea:25
South Africa : 34
South Korea: 42
Vietnam: 0
http://www.mtcr.info/english/MTCR_Annex_Handbook_ENG.pdf
India produces 81 out of 94 technologies in MTCR!
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Badhaai ho.
Bhailog amidst the action on LoC this peice of news could nt garner limelight.
India becomes member of Australia Group
MoneyControl • Jan 19, 2018 07:46 PM IST
By PTI
India on Friday gained entry into the Australia Group (AG), an important non-proliferation regime which seeks to ensure that exports do not contribute to the development of chemical or biological weapons.
After the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) and the Wassenaar Arrangement (WA), the membership in another of the four major export control regimes is expected to give India a leg-up in its bid to secure a berth in the 48-member Nuclear Suppliers Group, which has been blocked by China at the behest of Pakistan.
China is not a member of the MTCR, the WA and the AG.
Bhailog amidst the action on LoC this peice of news could nt garner limelight.
India becomes member of Australia Group
MoneyControl • Jan 19, 2018 07:46 PM IST
By PTI
India on Friday gained entry into the Australia Group (AG), an important non-proliferation regime which seeks to ensure that exports do not contribute to the development of chemical or biological weapons.
After the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) and the Wassenaar Arrangement (WA), the membership in another of the four major export control regimes is expected to give India a leg-up in its bid to secure a berth in the 48-member Nuclear Suppliers Group, which has been blocked by China at the behest of Pakistan.
China is not a member of the MTCR, the WA and the AG.
Excellent developmentBadhaai ho.
Bhailog amidst the action on LoC this peice of news could nt garner limelight.
India becomes member of Australia Group
MoneyControl • Jan 19, 2018 07:46 PM IST
By PTI
India on Friday gained entry into the Australia Group (AG), an important non-proliferation regime which seeks to ensure that exports do not contribute to the development of chemical or biological weapons.
After the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) and the Wassenaar Arrangement (WA), the membership in another of the four major export control regimes is expected to give India a leg-up in its bid to secure a berth in the 48-member Nuclear Suppliers Group, which has been blocked by China at the behest of Pakistan.
China is not a member of the MTCR, the WA and the AG.
The question remains whether China blocks India's entry to NSG because Chine itself wants to get into MTCR. Last time Chine applied for MTCR but was blocked on account of its proliferation activities. So blocking India into NSG is just a bargaining chip for China to get into MTCR.
Australia Group is only a framework to streamline exports of tech and materials to prevent Chemical and Biological weapons. India already is signatory to prevent Chemical and Biological weapons. So just a formaity for us. Not of much use to China either.
MTCR and NSG are the real moolah as they allow us to access and trade tech and materials.
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if only wishes were horses ho sorry i ment goat
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Good move but hardly a dent in the surface of NSG bid.Badhaai ho.
Bhailog amidst the action on LoC this peice of news could nt garner limelight.
India becomes member of Australia Group
MoneyControl • Jan 19, 2018 07:46 PM IST
By PTI
India on Friday gained entry into the Australia Group (AG), an important non-proliferation regime which seeks to ensure that exports do not contribute to the development of chemical or biological weapons.
After the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) and the Wassenaar Arrangement (WA), the membership in another of the four major export control regimes is expected to give India a leg-up in its bid to secure a berth in the 48-member Nuclear Suppliers Group, which has been blocked by China at the behest of Pakistan.
China is not a member of the MTCR, the WA and the AG.
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India has entered all three tech denial regimes viz. Mtcr, WA and now AG. This strengthens India s case for the fourth group i.e NSG which only remains. It has definitely improved our standing on non proliferation
