India eyes Israel's Iron Dome to counter Pak, puppets

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  1. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    I don't think there is any threat of LeT usin rockets against Indian cities. India is a very big country.

    But I am certain that this system is purely targetted against the Nasr and India will acquire a few batteries that Indian IBGs will take along in any future war using cold start doctrine.

    This will totally blunt the tactical nuclear threat and raise the stakes and costs for Pakistan.

    Iron Dome ki Jai!
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    NEW DELHI: As Fajr V rockets rained down on Israel from battleground Gaza for a week, many Indian defense planners were keeping a close watch on the performance of Israel's Iron Dome, which is probably the only deterrent to these homegrown short-range missiles.

    It was not just out of curiosity regarding one of the most effective systems against rockets, but also because of the possibility of India acquiring an indigenous version of Iron Dome.

    Several months ago, the military scientists in the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) had suggested that India look at a joint development programme with Israeli firms to develop an Indian version of Iron Dome, which is touted as the most effective system against short-range missiles such as Fajr V rockets. The Indian scientists believe Israel's plight has several parallels to its threat from Pakistan as well as the vulnerability of its cities from terrorists.

    The Iron Dome, according to reports, intercepted 87% of the rockets fired at Israel by the Hamas. The system, produced by Israel's Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and at work since 2011, is believed to have the capability to shoot down rockets and artillery shells with ranges of up to 70 km. The system has been shown to be effective against rockets or shells that might target populated areas.

    In the Indian military establishment, the temptation for acquiring this new toy is explained by the fact that India is ringed by hostile neighbours. Pakistani terror groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) could well acquire similar capability that would threaten large groups of Indian population. Even otherwise, the strategic planners have for long been worried about the deadly effect of short-range rockets fired at Indian cities or from across the border.

    Unlike ballistic missiles, against which DRDO claims to have a fairly good anti-ballistic missile shield, there is almost no protection against short-range rockets or artillery fire. DRDO is currently collaborating with Israeli firms to develop medium range surface to air missiles (MRSAMs) and LRSAMs. However, Iron Dome is in a different class all together, Israeli diplomatic sources here argue.

    One of the reasons why some Indian defence planners is pushing for it is the possibility of another conflict with Pakistan, where a system like the Iron Dome might be useful to deter even conventional artillery attacks. In addition, Pakistan has developed a tactical nuclear weapon like the Nasr, which is a solid fuelled battlefield range ballistic missile. While Pakistani analysts say this was developed in anticipation of India's supposed Cold Start doctrine, some Indian sources say the Iron Dome might be an effective deterrent against this new weapon.

    On the other hand, acquiring such defensive systems in anticipation of similar attacks might prove to be too much a temptation for groups like LeT. While they haven't yet developed rockets like the ones the Hamas has been using, the lure of such home-grown weaponry should not be under-estimated, say diplomatic sources.

    According to sources, there have been some discussions between DRDO and their Israeli counterparts for a possible joint development of Iron Dome for India. "The Israeli team comes and works in our laboratories. Our team goes and works in their laboratories and industries. There is a learning that is taking place which was not there when we buy things and integrate with existing products... In directed energy weapons — we are focusing on fibre laser, high powered micro-waves, etc. We have also started discussions with Iron Dome for co-development (in India)," Dr W Selvamurthy, Chief Controller looking after international cooperation, told the Economic Times recently.

    How it works:

    * The system detects launches of rockets and quickly determines their flight path. If it is headed toward populated areas or sensitive targets, it fires an interceptor with a special warhead that strikes the incoming rocket within seconds. Rockets headed toward open areas area allowed to land.

    * Currently, five Iron Dome batteries are deployed in Israel. Most are located in the south near Gaza. A fifth battery was deployed outside Tel Aviv on Saturday, two months ahead of schedule. Hours later, it shot down a rocket headed toward Tel Aviv.

    *Missiles cost around $40,000 a piece. In 2010, the US provided $200 million to expand development. Additional funding is currently being considered, with $70 million already allocated for this fiscal year.

    *The system is part of what Israel calls its "multilayer missile defense". It is meant to protect against the tens of thousands of short-range rockets possessed by militants in the Gaza Strip and Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon. Israel has also deployed its "Arrow" missile defense systems for long-range threats from Iran. The military says its new "David's Sling" system, being developed by Rafael to stop medium-range missiles, will be activated by 2014.


    India eyes Israel's Iron Dome to counter Pak, puppets - The Times of India on Mobile
     
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  3. opesys

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    hahaha!
    First we say, disproportionate use of force is unacceptable and then shamelessly ask Israelis for Iron Dome, WTF is going on ?... I think our foreign policy is becoming worst than paki's.
     
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    A few batteries? You will need at least 100 considering the size of Israel vs India.
     
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    You don't have a clue about international diplomacy do you?
     
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    We don't need iron dome to protect open areas. How many major cities are there within 70 kms of Pak border that can be under barrage of LeT rocket attacks?

    This move is purely to negate the threat of the tactial nuke threat of Pakistan.
     
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    If you call this as diplomacy then yeah I have no clue...

    India could have simply made a statement asking both of them to maintain restraint and then asked for Iron dome, no ? Doesn't this sound better ?
     
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    Will USA allow the transfer even if Israel agrees? Remember Arrow II?
     
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    Refer the thread on this topic. Those are all empty words. In all likelihood India would have told Israel in advance that we are going to say this. Dont take it to heart.
     
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    Some say this latest episode of israel and gaza was a the stage for show casing Iron dome.
    And here we have first potential customer.
     
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    Yes, I understand India is just looking into this as of now...Remember Israel is the second largest defense vendor for India so it is very likely that deal might happen if our requirements and what Iron dome has to offer matches (assuming Uncle Sam doesn't interfere)....

    hahaha! this is the cutest thing I have ever heard :rofl:
     
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    Wts funny in this getting new tech buying or developing its don't matter if you are planned something good for the country...
     
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    The negotiations for iron dome have been going on for long time before this took place.
     
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    india literally give a damn about Palestine and middle east,even when we supported them muslim nations surrounding it supports pakistan only
    why should we fight for the ones who supports our enemy against us?
    why should we disturb our relations with israel when we need them so much today?


    remeber israel & india share common problems common threats bringing them closer day by day
     
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    Don't you mean America's Iron Dome? They are paying for it.
     
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    This makes the Israeli's to be very smart people.
     
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    I thought US was funding the new improved version with longer range and better capabilities.
     
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    Yes, US is funding the Iron Dome. Obama just signed for another round of funds for the program.Iron Dome will come to India. But there is a big 'BUT'.

    Since we are reactive, it will come when our cities get pounded or the threat is very visible.
     
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    pack leader Defence Professionals Defence Professionals

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    arrow has 30% American parts but tech id is 100% made in Israel product
    an agreement to sell 6 batteries to Singapore is approved
     
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    pack leader Defence Professionals Defence Professionals

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    iron dome was built with Israeli funds after initial successes
    Americans gave 200 m$ in exchange for the tech
     
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    That was mere lip service nothing which Israel is going to take seriously with close friends like US/India.

    Remember we have got a Secular govt which wants to impress its vote bank.
     

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