India extends visa-on-arrival facility to 180 countries

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India extends visa-on-arrival facility to 180 countries:

  1. Good move.

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  2. Bad Move.

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  1. pmaitra

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    India extends visa-on-arrival facility to 180 countries

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    Source: India extends visa-on-arrival facility to 180 countries - The Times of India

    Continued from: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/foreign-relations/58030-intel-nod-visa-arrival.html

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    Good move or a move that makes India vulnerable? Also, should India seek reciprocity?
     
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    Terrible move. In one swoop, they made the OCI/PIO pretty much meaningless. As for reciprocity, why would the US or UK etc want to open their gates to an immigrant flood from India? Similarly, India will be now saddled with millions of refugees from even poorer countries (Somalia, Bangladesh, et al).

    A historic move or a hysterical one? :hmm:
     
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    There seems to be a difference in reporting..see this:
    so is China included in the relaxations or not? imo they should not, especially given recent evidence about them harbouring the ulfa leader and such.

    From this it seems two of the three departments in the meeting - Home ministry, and the external affairs were against this, but the pmo pushed this forward. Seems like mms at work again, I've read a lot about how he constantly interferes in foreign policy, implementing what certain other countries want, against the advice of specific department, the problem with this guy is he seems to be over assertive at the wrong areas, at the wrong time while being completely silent on other issues.

    From the David Headley issue it's clear that people from U.S cant be trusted ,so you make things even easier for them? And then Bangladesh...while the govt there is doing well, there are still many radical elements at play, with backing from external agencies....well some may say visa restrictions never applied to b'deshis visiting here :p

    No reciprocity, valid concerns from home ministry....pushed through because of mms, yup, pretty terrible. I'm sure some countries could be allowed, but not a blanket of 180.
     
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    Great move.

    I hope it will give major boost to the tourism sector and business travel. For eg. Getting an Indian visa was nightmare even for the US business people.

    If US/UK do not open their doors for a big middle class in India, then it is their loss. I am sure with the earned revenues, it would be much easier to track the visitors. Even with a strict visa regime David Headley and others were able to get in. So, no system is perfect. In a cost-benefit analysis, I think it is much better to have a liberal system and earn more money to develop better checks and balances.

    Also, it is tourist visa and not long term visa. I am sure countries would be black-listed if their citizens fail to return back to their countries. It is because of this reason that UK has strong checks against Indian tourists.
     
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    Do Bangladeshis need to fly in to the above mentioned 9 cities to get tourist visa? It is much easier to jump over the border. Also, I did not know that Somalians can suddenly become rich to fly into India and then flood India as refugees.

    I saw you preaching universal brotherhood on all other threads. Why a u-turn now!!
     
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    The first few weeks are going to be a nightmare for travelers. Indian Immigration guys are clueless and rude at the best of times.
     
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    They are much better than Americans!
     
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    Although 1 month is a small period for a diverse country like India. May be they should extend it to 45 days.
     
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    I have always batted for MMS over the years as he was one of the few people I really liked, but if what you are saying is true (provide a link if you can), then I think I would rather have Modi in his place, but even he could turn out to be another MMS, who knows?

    I think the immigration folks in Delhi were better behaved that those in NYC.

    I have had very good to bad experience. In the southern US states, you are treated well by the immigration folks.

    I think they can fly out to a neighbouring country, and return. It is only good. No need to make anyone feel entitled. Entry into India is a privilege, and should be that way.

    Edit: It will not be renewed, so they will have to depart. I think this is a good move.
     
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    India should also make sure that they have enough money before they travel to India. This is important. India is not a cheap destination as many people think. They come on a budget, and end up living in shady areas, making themselves vulnerable to assault.
     
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    How can they make sure the tourists have enough money before they travel to India.
    I think India should have extended visa on arrival only to developed and a handful of developing nations, as that is where the tourists are going to come from.
    I mean 180 countries, are you kiddin' me ?
    @Free Karma : I think China should be extended this offer too. I mean, they are gonna harbor ulfa guys anyway, so why not extract moneys from Chinese tourists.
     
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    at least better then US guys who arrest first and then ask questions later.
     
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    Visa on arrival is a good move. As far as screening people is concerned, the embassy route is no more effective than the online route. That red tape and long queues only dissuade genuine visitors, not people with malafide intent. It will also allow us to cut down bureaucratic costs of maintaining full capacity missions world over.
     
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    You won't believe me, but many tourists from developed nations come on a shoe-string budget, expecting India to be cheap, and it turns out to be exorbitant for them.

    Yes, I think India needs to extend some extra benefits to people from the region, including Sri Lanka, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, as well as PRC, former Soviet Central Asian countries, and Iran. It could be an extra 10 says, allowing a 40 day validity, as opposed to 30 day for other countries.
     
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    The points raised by @Known_Unknown are completely valid and I don't think there is a good enough way to address those worries. THere are many people from Africa who would not mind coming to India in hopes of improving their lives. This is even more true if India continues on a strong growth trajectory in the future, which it is likely to do. What are the mechanisms to address these issues?
    Also, wrt the OCI thing, I don't see anyone wanting to acquire it after this. The primary motivation has always been to avoid the long wait in order to get a visa. If there is no wait, no one will get it. Even if you ignore the principle of reciprocity ,which IMO should be applied, this may be a disastrous move for India.
     
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    @Known_Unknown and @atheisthindu,

    This VISA-on-arrival is a short term 30 day and non-renewable VISA. PIO cards will always be important.
     
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    Universal brotherhood is the ideal. That ideal cannot be achieved if all and sundry from all over the world (I think the total number of countries in existence is just over 190) are allowed in without any checks of any kind in the present envorinment. There are enough poor and desperate people in the world who would want to move to India and then become "choo mantar". This happens all the time in the US, UK etc despite them having so many restrictions.

    Imagine how long the wait would be to pass through immigration at Indian airports now with everyone waiting in line to be assessed for visa eligibility.

    In the next 10-20 years when India is supposed to be a "suppapowa" :)lol:), more and more of such refugees would come as tourists and disappear, staying under the radar to work odd jobs to make money and steal employment from locals, indulge in drug crimes, prostitution etc.

    Finally, is there even a single other example of a country offering VoA to the rest of the world? I don't think so.
     
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    hmm how many of those countries offer us visa on arrival
     
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    This is an unprecedented move. No other country in the world provides visa-on-arrival to 180 countries in the world. Has the rest of the world missed out on some wisdom that only GOI has access to?
     
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