India developing Chabahar in Iran port for access to Central Asia

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The confused foreign policy spearheaded by that odd fish will keep India neither here nor there!

Imagine constructing a port to import dry fruits!

How more asinine can we get?
it should be used to transport troops and supplies to our base (farkhor ) in the central asia and to import Afghan iron ore, copper and iranian petroleum... It will be the greatest strategical asset if we use it for transporting troops and supplies to afghan and tajikistan as we can quickly open a new front with both china and pakistan.

Is that possible even remotely??
 

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The Gwadar vs Chabahar rhetoric is pointless. The simple fact is that while Gwadar MAY EVENTUALLY lead to something fruitful for China and Pakistan, Chabahar has already started functioning for a few months now and its services will saturate that market well before Gwadar is remotely operational.
 

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The Gwadar vs Chabahar rhetoric is pointless. The simple fact is that while Gwadar MAY EVENTUALLY lead to something fruitful for China and Pakistan, Chabahar has already started functioning for a few months now and its services will saturate that market well before Gwadar is remotely operational.
Gwadar is not meant to be a solely commercial port. The chinese wont mind operating it at a loss even though I dont see that happenning. A lot of African goods will be freight rail transported from Gwadar and considering chinas appetite that will be enough to keep gwadar profitable.
 

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Gwadar is not meant to be a solely commercial port. The chinese wont mind operating it at a loss even though I dont see that happenning. A lot of African goods will be freight rail transported from Gwadar and considering chinas appetite that will be enough to keep gwadar profitable.
Bottleneck is not Gwadar but Karakorum Highway( KKH) to connect to China.
It needs massive investment (ongoing) to make it all weather road.
The investment will not be recovered by Chinese if they cannot transport Oil and gas from Gwader to China.

So, in all
American pressure is blocking Iranian Gas and oil transport to China through Pakistan.
Political instability and volatility stops pipeline construction through Balochistan.
Weather and terrain makes things difficult across KKH (Khunjareb Pass)
To top it all Pakistan Govt. is broke to participate economically in any of the projects.( Railway line)
Let's see how much appetite has the Chinese got to fund these project alone.
 

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it should be used to transport troops and supplies to our base (farkhor ) in the central asia and to import Afghan iron ore, copper and iranian petroleum... It will be the greatest strategical asset if we use it for transporting troops and supplies to afghan and tajikistan as we can quickly open a new front with both china and pakistan.

Is that possible even remotely??
That is the aim.

But with Khurshed, be happy that you are getting nuts!

That is fine by that man's standards since he is driving all of us nuts, having been given a job, way beyond his comprehension!
 

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Bottleneck is not Gwadar but Karakorum Highway( KKH) to connect to China.
It needs massive investment (ongoing) to make it all weather road.
The investment will not be recovered by Chinese if they cannot transport Oil and gas from Gwader to China.

So, in all
American pressure is blocking Iranian Gas and oil transport to China through Pakistan.
Political instability and volatility stops pipeline construction through Balochistan.
Weather and terrain makes things difficult across KKH (Khunjareb Pass)
To top it all Pakistan Govt. is broke to participate economically in any of the projects.( Railway line)
Let's see how much appetite has the Chinese got to fund these project alone.
Probably Pakistan becomes the only nuclear armed Client state in the entire world. A dump yard for Chinese waste and a transport corridor for the Chinese goods. The time it takes for transporting the raw materials by sea lanes and the money involved in it, will make this Trans pakistan Transport corridor profitable for the chinese in the Long run.
 

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The Karakoram highway goes through geologically young mountains that are not solid rock and are prone to landslides and blockages apart from the atrocious weather. My personal prediction is that there will be no significant transport of Chinese goods via that route for at least the next ten years.
 

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it should be used to transport troops and supplies to our base (farkhor ) in the central asia and to import Afghan iron ore, copper and iranian petroleum... It will be the greatest strategical asset if we use it for transporting troops and supplies to afghan and tajikistan as we can quickly open a new front with both china and pakistan.

Is that possible even remotely??
Is it possible, imo NO. Iran itself will not allow for transit of miltary. Especailly when its crying/shouting that kaffirs have been stationed on other side of gulf. So if it allows kaffir that too not even super duper west but a common india, its even much a bigger NO.

Also west also will not allow such power display by a third worlder
 

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The commercial viability of Chabahar port depends upon the mineral ore export to India/ other countries from Afghanistan.

The Indian consortium that won the mining rights of Afghan iron ore will export the ore/ pallets or the DRI ( iron) through the port.

But, all depends upon the political situation after 2014.If that's favorable then Chabahar will have bright commercial future.
 

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I wish the Govt. first upgrades the potholed roads in our own country..........dont see much gains from helping Iran, they are unreliable and unpredictable......................
 

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Afghanistan ready for agreement on Chabahar port, says envoy
Stressing that its ties with India are "steady and not transitory" like with other countries, Afghanistan said Saturday that it is keen to ink a trilateral agreement with India and Iran on the Chabahar port.

Afghan Ambassador Shaida M. Abdali, addressing a talk at the Press Club of India, said India-Afghan "relations are very steady, not transitory, like the exit strategy with others. It is a relationship that will only deepen in future."

He said Afghanistan is keen to ink a trilateral transit agreement with India and Iran on the Chabahar port that is aimed to provide a route for trade with landlocked Afghanistan.

He said his country had just exported 15 containers of dry fruits through the Chabahar port. "We are trying to upgrade capacity of the port and railway line," he said.

On wooing business and investment from India, Abdali said Indian business and investment were always "most welcome" in Afghanistan and would get the red carpet treatment. "We want joint ventures with India... there will be some risks involved, but without risks one cannot get anything," he said.

Abdali also said his country's police and army are capable of addressing the internal security needs of the country with the international forces set to drawdown in 2014.

He termed as a "spectre that is far from real" the picture created in the media of the uncertain future of Afghanistan after the withdrawal of international forces.

He said Afghanistan has made tremendous progress in every sphere in the last decade since the overthrow of the Taliban, and they would make transition "very easy and successful".

Pointing to the development in his country, he said that in a country of 30 million population there were 20 million telephone users. This progress, he said, applies to all sectors of Afghan society.

"Afghanistan is far from the picture being portrayed.. of unrealistic and totally skewed reporting by some," he said.

Stressing that Pakistan's role is crucial for the return of peace, Abdali said the success of the reconciliation talks with the Taliban would help bring peace to both Afghanistan and Pakistan. He said they wanted to ensure there was only one channel of talks, which was also coordinated.

"Peace will come through negotiations and it will mean peace in Pakistan as well. Both should engage in a serious manner," he said.
Afghanistan ready for agreement on Chabahar port, says envoy | Business Standard
 

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India likely to fast-track Iran port, oil plans
A strategy session chaired by national security adviser Shivshankar Menon on Tuesday with senior officials from the ministries of finance, shipping and petroleum zeroed in on three sectors where India would try to do something extra for Iran.

An Iranian ship, Dinayat, has been stranded in Mundra port in Gujarat for the past year-and-a-half over some payments owed to a Singapore-based firm. The Iranian government has repeatedly urged India to release the ship but sources said there was a court order to seize the ship. In recent months, Iran has asked India to pay off the ship's debts from the huge amount of money kept in UCO Bank. India pays 45% of its oil payments to Iran in rupees.
the Iranian government gave the final clearances, the delays have been on the Indian side. Finance minister P Chidambaram has added a killer clause to his permission on the port, by demanding a certain percentage return on investment from the port development project. :frusty: A naturally indolent Indian government has used this pre-condition as an excuse to delay work on the Chahbahar project. Sources said it had been difficult to get officials to put together a plan on the port. Equally, nobody at the senior levels, Menon or foreign minister Salman Khurshid, have been able to gather the courage to ask Chidambaram to modify his order since this is a strategic project.
:frusty::frusty:
All i can say is Jai Ho
 

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This is good news. With a moderate president, Iran is now being more cooperative with America. Sanctions will drop in the future, trade and investment will increase.

A win-win for India, Iran and Afghanistan.

JPost: Iran's Chabahar port transforms its position

"While India will secure cost-effective access to markets vital for its future economic growth, Iran will secure a position in the world economy less vulnerable to international pressure."

The November 24 Interim Nuclear Agreement between Iran and the Six Powers provides for the limited easing of trade restrictions on strategic items such as petrochemicals products, aircraft parts and precious metals, accounting for up to $7 billion of trade over the six months following the agreement's implementation.

With the prospect of even wider Iranian trade in the near future, India's construction of Iran's first deep-water port to meet modern shipping standards will radically transform Iran's geo-strategic position, breaking the international economic pressure on Tehran and transforming Iran into the key transit link for the most cost-effective transportation corridor for European-Indian Ocean trade.

While Iran and India traditionally have been allies in Afghanistan against Pakistan, New Delhi's drive to construct a deep-sea port at the Iranian city of Chabahar along with transportation corridors running northward has been motivated by New Delhi's economic rivalry with Beijing.

For Iran, it means a centrally important position in the emerging pattern of trade between Europe and a rising Asia.

One of Iran's strategic weaknesses is its lack of deep-water ports. Iran's southern ports, such as Bandar Abbas which handles 85 percent of Iranian seaborne trade, can only receive 100,000 ton cargo ships. Since most shipping is conducted via 250,000 ton cargo vessels, cargo must first be offloaded in the United Arab Emirates and then sent on smaller ships which can dock in Iran. Aside from the hundreds of millions of dollars lost to the UAE, Iran is also vulnerable to a UAE closure of its seaborne trade in the case of conflict between Iran and the UAE or its GCC and Western allies.

Unlike Bandar Abbas, which is located in the congested waters of the Straits of Hormuz, subject to constant US naval patrol, Chabahar is located further east and is the only Iranian port with direct access to the Indian Ocean.

For India, the Chabahar port will serve as the Indian Ocean outlet for New Delhi's grand International North- South Transit Corridor (INSTC) initiative. With India's overland access to Central Asia is blocked by Pakistan, the Chabahar deep-sea port and the INSTC running northward through Iran and Afghanistan will provide New Delhi vital access to Central Asian, Russian, and ultimately European markets, enabling India to effectively compete with China. Compared to the current Indian Ocean-European transport route via the Red Sea, Suez Canal and the Mediterranean, the Chabahar-based INSTC is estimated to be 40% shorter and will reduce the cost of Indian trade by 30% (Meena Singh Roy, Strategic Analysis, November 2012).

India began developing the Chabahar port in 2002 in response to China's construction of a deep-water port at Gwadar, Pakistan, approximately 72 km east of Chabahar (Samanta Pranab Dhal, The Indian Express, March 24, 2012). An extension of the enduring Sino-Pakistani strategic partnership, the Gwadar port provides China with a long-sought-after, land-accessible port on the Indian Ocean. The $248m. first phase of the part was completed in 2006. The $1b. second phase of the port construction will develop two oil terminals and an oil pipeline that will carry energy from Gwadar directly into China. The Sino-Pakistani oil pipeline will provide China with an alternative route for Persian Gulf energy, which would alleviate China's need to transport oil around the Indian Subcontinent and through the increasingly disputed territorial waters of the South China Sea. The route will be cheaper, less vulnerable and give Beijing greater freedom of action to pursue its claims to sovereignty over the South China Sea (M.T., East Asia Forum December 6, 2013).

Until 2012, India ceased construction of the Chabahar port under pressure from the United States as part of Washington's efforts toughen the international sanctions against Iran. However, when a Chinese stateowned firm took over administration of the Gwadar port from a Singaporean company in 2012, New Delhi resumed construction of the Chabahar port, overriding Washington's objections. Whereas the original Chabahar port project and transit corridors involved a trilateral agreement between Iran, India and Russia, the Indian- led 2012 resumption of the project involves the participation of 11 additional countries from Middle East, the Caucasus, Central Asia and Europe, each lured by the benefits of easier access to the Indian Ocean.

New Delhi's INSTC includes a highway running from the Iranian port through Afghanistan. In addition to India's $100m. investment in Chabahar, New Delhi has already completed a 200 km road from the Iranian bordertown of Zaranj to Delaram in Afghanistan. India has also assisted in the construction of the Iranian portion of the highway from Chabahar to Zaranj. India is also planning to build a parallel 900 km railway from Chabahar to the iron-ore rich Hajigak region of Afghanistan's Bamiyan province. Home to the oppressed Shi'ite Hazara ethnic group, Bamiyan's substantial iron deposits may become a major source of income for the Iranian sympathetic population. The Chabahar port will serve as a cost-effective outlet to bring the iron to market (The Telegraph, November 2, 2011).

Trade between Afghanistan and Chabahar will bolster Iranian and Indian influence in Afghanistan after NATO's 2014 withdrawal, providing a measure of counter- balance to Pakistani influence.

Although there are no signs of any significant Indian- Iranian naval cooperation, commercial maritime cooperation and joint transportation infrastructure development has elevated the level of Indo-Iranian strategic cooperation (Harsh V. Pant, The Washington Quarterly, 2011). Moreover, the Chabahar port and the INSTC will place Iran at the center of a Eurasian transport corridor for international trade in which significant number of nations are developing vital economic interests.

As the INSTC nears operation, the time-window is diminishing to apply tougher economic pressure on Iran to abandon its nuclear weapons program. While India will secure cost-effective access to markets in Central Asia, Russia and Europe vital for its future economic growth, Iran will secure a position in the world economy less vulnerable to international pressure.

The author is a Fellow at the Department of Middle East and Islamic Studies, Shalem College, Jerusalem, and at the Asia and Middle East Units, Truman Research Institute for the Advancement of Peace, Hebrew University. He also teaches in the Departments of Middle Eastern History and East Asian Studies, Tel Aviv University. The piece first appeared on the website of The Alliance Center for Iranian Studies (ACIS) at Tel Aviv University.
 

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I hope this project is completed quickly and done well. We lost a big opportunity in hambantota, SL, I do not want to see a repeat.

The GoI should keeps it's tough stance and shouldnt cave in to U.S demands. Some people have hinted that the current diplomatic standoff might even be related to India's helping hand with Iran (oil,port etc), but thats still a ct.
 

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Centre to clear Iran port project soon

India is all set to get its first overseas port with the Union Cabinet expected to clear the long-delayed Chabahar project in Iran within the next fortnight. Union Shipping Minister Nitin Gadkari expected the Cabinet to clear it in the "next 10-15 days." Located along the Makran coast in the Gulf of Oman, Chabahar is in close proximity to the Strait of Hormuz which facilitates about 40 per cent of the world's oil trade, and hence has significant strategic implications for India. Not only would it allow India easier access to Afghanistan and Central Asia without having to depend on Pakistan, it is also being touted as India's answer to Chinese control over Pakistan's Gwadar port, just 76 km from Chabahar.

Vajpayee's dream

The port was a dream project of the former Prime Minister, Atal Bihari Vajpayee, who had inked a memorandum of understanding for its joint development with the then Iranian President, Mohammad Khatami, in 2003. "Atal Bihari Vajpayeeji had initiated this project 13 years ago"¦ within the next 10-15 days we will present a note before the Cabinet and it will be cleared"¦ this will be our first port outside India"¦ it's a great achievement," said Mr. Gadkari. "The distance between Chabahar and Mundra ports is less than that between Delhi and Mumbai"¦ it [presents] a golden opportunity for transportation of gas, urea, etc.," he said. The port will be developed by a joint venture company formed by the Jawaharlal Nehru Port Trust (JNPT) and the Kandla Port Trust (KPT). "I have asked the JNPT and KPT to work on this port on a war footing," said Mr. Gadkari.
Centre to clear Iran port project soon - The Hindu
 

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Cabinet clears strategic investment plan to set up Chabahar port in Iran - The Economic Times
The Cabinet on Saturday cleared the long-stalled strategic investment plan to set up the Chabahar port in Iran that would serve as a critical transit route from Afghanistan to India that doesn't pass through Pakistan.

Finance minister Arun Jaitley said the port has an 'extreme strategic importance' for India and JNPT and Kandla port would partner the government in developing the port for which nearly $86 million is being invested. The cabinet cleared yet another long-pending proposal to build Ahmedabad Metro at a cost of Rs 10,773 crore, spanning a distance of 35.96 kilometers in its first phase.
 

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