India could have gone nuclear as early as 1964: US

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  1. LETHALFORCE

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    http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Ind...1964-US-intelligence/articleshow/52340895.cms

    WASHINGTON: As early as 1964, the US intelligence community had concluded that India was in a position to develop nuclear weapons, a declassified State Department report said, citing frequent change of the fuel core of the Canada-supplied reactor at Trombay.
    "The Indians are now in a position to begin nuclear weapons development if they chose to do so. We have no evidence, however, of a weapon research and development programme and would expect to see some if the programme existed," the State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) said in a report on May 14, 1964.
    The report along with several others was published yesterday by the National Security Archive and the Nuclear Proliferation International History Project.

    Noting that the fuel core of the Canadian-Indian Reactor (CIR) at Trombay was being changed every six months, the US intelligence report had raised questions about India's nuclear objectives.
    It said a six-month period was quite short for "normal research reactor operations," but it was the optimum time for using the CIR's spent fuel for producing weapons grade plutonium.
    The report said the Canadians had not established specific safeguards when they made the reactor available to India thus giving the Indians a free hand in using the newly-built Phoenix plutonium separation plant to produce the fissile material.
    According to the State Department report, "India's leadership might have had nationalistic motives for building the Phoenix plant but if it wanted a nuclear weapons capability it would seek such a capability".
    INR report said it had no "direct evidence" of an Indian weapons programme and believed it was "unlikely" that India had made a decision to build a bomb.
    Nevertheless, it was "probably no accident" that "everything the Indians (had) done so far would be compatible with a weapons programme if at some future date it appeared desirable to start one."
    According to INR, India had taken the "first deliberate decision in the series leading to a nuclear weapon," which was to have "available, on demand, unsafeguarded weapons-grade plutonium or, at the least, the capacity to produce it."
    The report said that a scholar characterised this as India's "proliferation drift, the slow but sure moves towards the development of nuclear weapons."



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    We would have definitely tested our 1st nuke back in 1964 if not for those CIA bastards who deliberately assassinated our topmost Nuclear Physicist Dr.Homi Bhaba along with 116 innocent passengers of that fateful Flight 101,this is the sole reason why i will always remain apprehensive of USA's true intentions when it comes to the Indo-US relationship.
     
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    We could have if we Had taken out Nehru godse style before partition and actually brought a responsible government to power or at the very least not side with the USSR and ruin our relations with the west
     
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    What benefits would it have been for IndiA to be a nuclear power in 1964?

    Would it have been useful without mature delivery systems?

    How would engaging the west preferentially over the Soviets helped IndiA in any way? Disnt the commies sell IndiA migs for food grain? The west still sabatoges it's close allies like Japan's and sk's aerospace industry..hell they even sabotaged Canada's industries..

    The ussr is has been gone for almost 3 decades yet the west still begrudge any non white people being able To defend themselves
     
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    Don't remain apprehensive, always assume that they are up to no good. They owe us nothing, they do what suits them, we should take an unemotional look at things and do what suits us instead of getting in the moral trap of 'friendship/trust/partnership/relationship', and switch the nomenclature and connotation to 'an understanding' or 'a mutual agreement on certain issues of confluence', nothing beyond that.

    Aaj kal toh wife ki loyalty ki bhi guarantee nahi hoti, toh USA ki loyalty ki kyu asha rakhein?
     
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    Someone translate the last part for us that lost our mother tongues please lol
     
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    There's no guarantee of loyalty even from one's wife, leave alone pinning your hopes on the loyalty of the US. :pound:
     
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    Thank you..agreed

    Except my future wife...she'll be like Sita :p
     
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    Sita also has another meaning in Hindi, it means 'to stitch up'. So let's hope you find the right kind of Sita. :rofl:
     
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    She'll be like Parvati then ~.~
     
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    Good choice. Leave the *Menaka, Rambha, Urvashi for me.

    *Menaka != Maneka Gandhi.
     
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    I'm not sure who that is...she as hot as pale faced Taylor swift?
     
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    They betrayed Russia in the Russo Japanese war and in the 20s when the white army was trying to take power after the Russians supported the Union in their Civil War and gave them Alaska. They also betrayed around thirty years later by doing an oil embargo on them which gave them pearl harbor ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
     
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    Mr. Nehru was a socialist cuck who only succeeded in politics because of his half naked fakir mentor and a fabian socialist who had never read any books by Ludwig von Mises or Milton Friedman in his lifetime and thus had no understanding of economics.
     
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    they betrayed japan thirty years later i mean
     
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    Yes.. But All Past Time..
    India Had to React At Time..
    Now Beware..
     
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    Guys! Even if we had tested a nuke in 1964, we couldn't have been able to change our bloody Porki neighbor. This ideological cleavage was, is and will always be. The twain shall never meet.

    All thanks to that moron called Nehru and his ignorant, ludicrous, and preposterous polices that's landed us all in shit!
     
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    What is the use of India acquiring nukes when they really mean nothing when the nation is bled by circumcised, gun licking rats ?
     

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