India condemns beheading of Sikhs in Pakistan

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16 million refugees is a big deal. A very big one. And no, they chose to stay back in Pakistan, lived there for six decades, and detached themselves from India. India is a secular republic, not a "holy land" for Indic religions, where anyone with Indic religion from nationalities other than Indian automatically gets a free ticket to India. India is simply not obligated to them. These people are Sikh, but they are Pakistani.
That land was once India and it was their home for millenias. Overnight it was partitioned and called Pakistan. They did not see why they should leave their home regardless of the name. Its only now that they are realising that not only the name but many other things have changed, so now they want to return to India. I dont see anything wrong with it. India should not close its gates on these people. Christian minorites in Pakistan can find refuge in any western country easily while these people have no one to bother about their plight other than people in India. Also, Christians being the people of same book are not exposed to the same brutality that people of indic faiths are exposed to. So, the number of people following indic faiths may not be as high as 16 million and not all of them may take our offer. But those that do, should be given assylum. And if more people take the offer, then India would have proved the dismal situation of minorities in Pakistan thereby putting it in dock through human right groups which will be forced to act seeing the situation.
So, if all the 16million take the offer, it puts Pakistan in a really awkward position and would have to then come out with some measures atleast for face saving.
 
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Tormented by Taliban

Let’s bring home persecuted Hindus, Sikhs

The beheading of two Sikhs by the Taliban in Pakistan’s tribal badlands is no doubt a ghastly crime which has understandably shocked the people of India. But it would be instructive to ask ourselves whether we expected the abductors of the hapless Sikhs to behave any better. Indeed, no purpose is served by expressing shock and revulsion at the Taliban’s gross display of inhuman cruelty; that’s what the adherents of Islamism are trained to do and that’s what jihadis indulge in for pleasure. It would be deceitful to suggest that the Sikhs were murdered because their families failed to pay the ‘ransom’ that had been demanded by their abductors. The abduction of these Sikhs (and at least four others who are believed to be still in the custody of the Taliban) was not what is usually referred to as kidnapping for ransom by criminals looking for easy money. What the Taliban had demanded — and continues to demand — from the Sikh community, which is a designated minority in Islamic Pakistan, is jizya, or survival tax (call it protection money if you wish) that non-believers must pay to stay alive in an Islamic caliphate. Since the Taliban’s ideology of hate extols the ‘virtues’ of puritanical Islam, it is only to be expected that they — as also the Islamic orthodoxy — should believe in the Quranic concept of dhimmitude and the right to treat dhimmis in the most appalling manner. We only need to recall the plight of the few remaining Sikhs in Afghanistan and the misery that is inflicted on Hindus in Pakistan. For further evidence we could look at Bangladesh where the Jamaat-e-Islami and its diabolical front organisations have targeted Hindus for atrocities committed in the name of Islam: The homes of Hindus have been looted, Hindu temples have been desecrated, Hindu women have been raped and Hindu men killed in cold blood, most noticeably when the BNP-Jamaat alliance was in power. The efforts of the Awami League Government to reverse the tide of Islamism are no doubt showing results, but a lot more needs to be done to restore a sense of security among Hindus and, in the Chittagong Hill Tracts, Buddhists.

It would be absurd to suggest that India has no right to take a stand on atrocities committed against religious minority communities in Pakistan, or Bangladesh for that matter. The outrageous murder of Sikhs by the Taliban or the hounding of Hindus cannot be glossed over as an ‘internal affair’ of Pakistan or Bangladesh. India has a moral responsibility towards followers of Indic religions in its immediate neighbourhood and must explore every possible means of ensuring their safety and security. If Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists are unsafe in either Pakistan or Bangladesh, they must be provided shelter in India so that they can live with their honour intact; the onus is on us to give them the dignity which has been denied by their Islamic tormentors. It is unacceptable that the Government should think of squandering tax-payers’ money on rewarding Islamic terrorists who have been waging jihad against India from safe havens in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, while expressing no more than faux concern over the plight of Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists in Pakistan and Bangladesh. India must act now and open its doors to the persecuted followers of Indic faiths without any delay.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/237975/Tormented-by-Taliban.html
 

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Why not.

We have lot of Tibetian and buddhists in India already. We Indians have a large heart and will not turn any needy person back.
 

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If those Sikhs can go to West Punjab (Punjab province of Pakistan), they're on their 'spiritual home' already, albeit in Pakistan. Still erstwhile Akhand Bharat. If Pakistan wants to dump its religious minorities in India (by creating circumstances that force them to seek asylum/migration into India), then it better concede some territory too.
Yes, I would like Pakistan to vacate West Punjab and give it to India. Long term aim.

However, Pakistan cannot get away by dishonouring Sikhs and Hindus in Pakistan. India government should not keep on bending backwards to please the scum of Indian sub continent. I wish I can wind back the clock and stop this scum from occupying our lands.
 
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That land was once India and it was their home for millenias. Overnight it was partitioned and called Pakistan.
No, that land was erstwhile India, not Republic of India. They've stayed on their homes for 'millenia', and that just went on to become Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Now that doesn't give them entitlement to Republic of India. If they have problems in their homes, then it's not our job to bail them out, just because they happen to be of a religion that's also practiced in India.
 
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No, that land was erstwhile India, not Republic of India. They've stayed on their homes for 'millenia', and that just went on to become Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Now that doesn't give them entitlement to Republic of India. If they have problems in their homes, then it's not our job to bail them out, just because they happen to be of a religion that's also practiced in India.
Republic of India is not established in a vaccum. India was made Republic for the administrative, political and social purposes. That does not mean India gives up its other identities. India remains a cultural, philosophical and spiritual home of all the people of sub-continent who follow indic faith. Harrappa and Mohenjodaro civilizations are claimed as Indian civilizations, arent they? We read about Ashoka and Akbar as part of Indian history, dont we? Does all that become irrelevant, just because we became a republic? Nope.
 

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Republic of India is not established in a vaccum. India was made Republic for the administrative, political and social purposes. That does not mean India gives up its other identities. India remains a cultural, philosophical and spiritual home of all the people of sub-continent who follow indic faith. Harrappa and Mohenjodaro civilizations are claimed as Indian civilizations, arent they? We read about Ashoka and Akbar as part of Indian history, dont we? Does all that become irrelevant, just because we became a republic? Nope.
In context of these people seeking passage into India, it does. India is a Republic in the fullest. Its purpose is to not be prejudiced or favoured towards any religion. When these people, Pakistani nationals, seek passage into India, it doesn't strike any logic. The Punjab province of Pakistan is very much their "cultural, philosophical and spiritual home", despite it being part of Pakistan. As long as India and Pakistan are sovereign nations, the "erstwhile India", so-called Akhand Bharat, so-called Greater India, don't exist, and hence their existential identities cannot be used to bestow "Indian" identities upon Hindus/Sikhs in Pakistan, or "Pakistani" identities upon Muslims in India (turning the same logic around).
 

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In context of these people seeking passage into India, it does. India is a Republic in the fullest. Its purpose is to not be prejudiced or favoured towards any religion. When these people, Pakistani nationals, seek passage into India, it doesn't strike any logic. The Punjab province of Pakistan is very much their "cultural, philosophical and spiritual home", despite it being part of Pakistan. As long as India and Pakistan are sovereign nations, the "erstwhile India", so-called Akhand Bharat, so-called Greater India, don't exist, and hence their existential identities cannot be used to bestow "Indian" identities upon Hindus/Sikhs in Pakistan, or "Pakistani" identities upon Muslims in India (turning the same logic around).
I am not sure I follow your Punjab logic. Why do you feel they will be safer in Pakistani Punjab?

I have strong attachment to these hindus and sikhs in Pakistan and believe we should everything to protect their rights.
 
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I am not sure I follow your Punjab logic. Why do you feel they will be safer in Pakistani Punjab?

I have strong attachment to these hindus and sikhs in Pakistan and believe we should everything to protect their rights.
Because they are not our nationals, and that they're still on their homeland if they're in West Punjab, safer or not. Such a "Indic Religious" affinity towards people of other countries is not healthy for India. There are dozens of counties with Christians (yet there is war between them), dozens with Buddhits, with Muslims, and so on. Religious identity should not override national sovereignty. Just as Indira Gandhi could do what is right with refugees from East Pakistan, the present administration should make a choice between doing something about Tibet, or sealing our NNE borders to prevent the influx. The western border is already better. If India wants to give 16 million people a free ride into India, then it seek a proportional amount of land from the country of their origin, too, or attempt to solve the problem of Taliban once and for all (expensive).
 

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Because they are not our nationals, and that they're still on their homeland if they're in West Punjab, safer or not. Such a "Indic Religious" affinity towards people of other countries is not healthy for India. There are dozens of counties with Christians (yet there is war between them), dozens with Buddhits, with Muslims, and so on. Religious identity should not override national sovereignty. Just as Indira Gandhi could do what is right with refugees from East Pakistan, the present administration should make a choice between doing something about Tibet, or sealing our NNE borders to prevent the influx. The western border is already better. If India wants to give 16 million people a free ride into India, then it seek a proportional amount of land from the country of their origin, too, or attempt to solve the problem of Taliban once and for all (expensive).
Sorry friend. I do not agree with your logic. You should stand up for what is right regardless of the nationality.

Before WII countries did not do anything about Hitler because he was not affecting them.Likewise if we do not tackle these demons in Pakistan and let it continue then they will take it as our weakness, grow more confident. stronger and continue to persecute the non-Muslims and liberal Muslims.
 
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Sorry friend. I do not agree with your logic. You should stand up for what is right regardless of the nationality.

Before WII countries did not do anything about Hitler because he was not affecting them.Likewise if we do not tackle these demons in Pakistan and let it continue then they will take it as our weakness, grow more confident. stronger and continue to persecute the non-Muslims and liberal Muslims.
That begs the question: Can we? And the answer is no. After 1971, the world simply does not allow India to get too assertive with Pakistan, forget starting wars or carrying out covert operations. When we can't assert ourselves strong enough through diplomacy, and each time the Pakistani diplomats go home with a level of oneupmanship, it gives you an idea of how things stand. If Pakistan claims that it's strong enough to protect its minorities, then we shouldn't be bothered. "Standing up for what is right" loses meaning, and becomes an exploitable weakness. The powers in Pakistan will exploit it to dump millions of people into India, diluting our economy.
 

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Beheading the Sikhs:
Pak Taliban’s Historic Blunder


The Pakistan Taliban operating in the tribal area bordering Afghanistan captured two Sikhs, compelled them to convert to Islam, and on their refusal, beheaded them. After that they added salt to wound by sending the severed heads to the Joga Singh Gurudwara in Peshawar. By doing this the Pakistan Taliban might just have made the costliest error in its bloodstained history. It might just have taken the one step that could pose greater danger to its existence than anything that might have been attempted thus far by the US or NATO.

The Pakistan Taliban consists of Pashtuns settled for generations in the Punjab. They were formerly led by the Mehsuds. There are other Afghan outfits that subscribe to the Al Qaeda ideology, such as the Haqqani outfits, also based in Pakistan ’s FATA territory. The long term aims of the Afghanistan Taliban led by Mullah Omar and the Pakistan Taliban do not necessarily coincide. The Pakistan Taliban’s atrocity against the Sikhs might just recoil fatally against it. Here is why.

Even a cursory acquaintance with Sikh history and character would reveal that the Sikhs have embedded deep within them a fanatical dogged streak that if aroused becomes almost impossible to extinguish. Sending the severed heads of two martyrs committed to their faith to the Gurudwara is precisely the kind of action that could ignite that streak. The rage that will inevitably spread across the Sikh community in rural Punjab could alter dramatically the power alignments within the terrorist fold. To appreciate that a few facts not commonly recognized need to be recalled.

For decades it was commonly stated that fifty or so families in Punjab ruled Pakistan. What was not stated was that about 40 percent of these ruling families of the rural Punjab province of Pakistan were Jat Sikhs who voluntarily converted to Islam in order to retain their land holdings. These converted Jat Sikhs had no trouble gaining acceptance from their Muslim Jat cousins, farmers all. The converts are Muslims in name. What their commitment to any religion might be only time will reveal. Their commitment to land, wealth and power has been confirmed beyond doubt. They could now constitute a potential fifth column in Pakistan. It would be not a fifth column that could serve the Indian government. It would be the fifth column serving the Sikh Diaspora that contains several terrorist outfits with a presence in Europe, Canada and the US.

Now recall the aborted Khalistan demand. Before Khalistan was formally announced by Jagjit Singh Chauhan he sought my opinion. I told him it was worthless because it made no sense. I further said that the demand for a united Punjab cutting across India and Pakistan made greater sense given the norms of nationhood. I said that would create ‘United States of Asia’. A little after my interaction with him I recounted our dialogue and my views in the weekly column that I wrote then for the Sunday Observer published in Bombay. Predictably, the Khalistan demand floundered. But the Sikhs continue to remain dissatisfied, though not disruptive.

Sikh grievances were heightened after the creation of Haryana state carved out of Punjab. The manner in which Indira Gandhi reneged on solemn assurances given to Punjab regarding the sharing of waters and the future status of Chandigarh not surprisingly was viewed by Sikhs as evidence of Hindu communalism. Added to the assurance given by Pandit Nehru at the time of Independence that the Sikhs would be made “to feel the glow of freedom”, Sikh frustration inevitably grew.

The partition of the Punjab during Independence left the Sikhs most orphaned among the state’s three main communities. The loss of identity among the Muslims in Punjab was compensated partially by the creation of Pakistan, of the Hindus by the creation of Bharat. The Sikhs felt that they got little or nothing.

After the subsequent mishandling by the union government Sikh separatism was bound to erupt. The Khalistan movement further depleted the community. Today Punjab is the sufferer. Witness the very large number of youth in Punjab who seek migration to make a future abroad. Is it not symptomatic?

It is in this context that the unfolding drama across the border may revive the Khalistan demand in a new avatar. Current reports suggest that ISI is reviving the Khalistan insurgency. Good! This might become the agency’s biggest ever goof up. Because now all the Sikh militants who are given sanctuary by ISI in Pakistan could eventually switch loyalties. Egged on by Sikhs in India and their NRI financial backers abroad they could turn against ISI and Taliban. Defying New Delhi India’s Sikh militants could infiltrate into Pakistan not to seek sanctuary but to create disruption. There could develop for Pakistan a Kashmir syndrome in reverse. Might not Sikhs eventually seek common ground with the Pashtuns who share greater affinity with Afghanistan than with Pakistan ? Might not the Afghan Taliban, which does not share as much the long-term goals of the Al Qaeda as does the Pakistan Taliban, dump the ISI?

If such developments do occur the Khalistan demand might revive for a region encompassing as much of Pakistan ruled Punjab as the Indian Punjab. Along with Pashtunistan and Baluchistan, Khalistan too could become Pakistan’s headache. Islamabad and New Delhi, caught in the pincer move of Sikhs and the Pashtuns, could be compelled to fundamentally alter the present sub-continental arrangement.

Does this sound like a wildly improbable scenario? Perhaps. But do wait for at least one year before arriving at a final judgment.
 

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RAW-TTP nexus in Sikhs’ killing exposed

Saturday, March 20, 2010
ISLAMABAD: The intelligence agencies have found clues about involvement of Indian Intelligence Agency RAW with collaboration of banned Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan in recent abduction and murder of two Sikhs, Jaspal Singh and Mahnan Singh, in tribal areas.

The report to this effect have also been handed over to President Asif Ali Zardari, Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani and the military leadership, intelligence sources informed Online on Friday.

The intelligence agencies, in their report, informed the country’s civil and military leadership that there were about 25,000 Sikhs living in different parts of Pakistan and Indian propaganda is giving a fillip to the minority welfare officials to exploit the insecurity of Sikhs in Pakistan

The recent abduction and killing of two Sikhs, Jaspal Singh and Mahnan Singh, by miscreants on February 21, 2010 is speculated as a co-planned activity of the RAW and the TTP, the report said. Earlier, there had been reports regarding involvement and presence of RAW agents in the rank and file of the TTP fighting in Swat.

Indian weapons and equipment was recovered during operations in Swat and Waziristan, which implied RAW’s involvement. In the report, it is said that RAW is endeavoring to shift the global focus from homegrown Maoist rebels’ activities to Sikhs’ movement.

“This is augmented with the perception that India in most of the cases plans to implicate the ISI in Punjab fiasco since RAW miserably failed in halting the Maoists’ movement”, it added.

The intelligence agencies in their report said that former incidents and episodes clearly indicated that RAW usually floated alerts with vested interests of creating panic and gearing up the blame game against Pakistan despite the fact that India, a number of times, got embarrassed globally.

The report said that two Sikhs, who were abducted from Tehsil Bara, Peshawar, by miscreants around a month back for a huge ransom were neither rich nor prominent, therefore, their abduction for ransom appeared very strange. “As a matter of fact, the Indian rhetoric and blame game against Pakistan for official patronage of terrorist outfits, who are believed to be working against India, has increased besides Indian efforts to convince international community that Pakistan is using terror as state policy against India”, it added.

“Indian efforts of implicating the ISI in the past and recently trying to establish links of serving/retired Pakistan Army officers for their involvement in Mumbai attacks is part of the same agenda,” it added.

On the other hand, recent recovery of two abducted Sikhs (Ranjit Singh and Mahindar Singh) by security forces from the captivity of miscreants during an operation in Chapri Ferozkhel, Khyber-Orakzai remote areas, reflects Pakistan’s sincere efforts for respect of minorities.

According to the report, the source said, as whole, the current incidents of abduction/killing of Sikhs appeared to be a co-planned activity (TTP and RAW), which could certainly accrue international criticism if not addressed appropriately.
 

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