India, China working in tandem to prevent Taliban surge

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  1. arunpat

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    NEW DELHI: With the US withdrawal from Afghanistan looming large, neighbouring countries are hedging against bad outcomes in that part of the world. The jitteriness is palpable, with Afghanistan's neighbours all tying up with each other in different combinations as they scramble to contain what many fear a Taliban surge supported by Pakistan and extremism/terrorism spilling over its borders.

    China is teaming up with Russia and Pakistan on a trilateral on Afghanistan, and the first meeting is scheduled in a few weeks. This comes weeks after India, Russia and China sat down in Moscow to craft another trilateral dialogue whereby all the three countries would exchange information and coordinate positions on Afghanistan's future. The new trialateral allows Pakistan and China reaffirm their traditional ties, including showing India that their commitment to each other remains unalloyed.

    The Moscow meeting was the beginning of a bilateral track between China and India, a surprising and significant development, given that India and China are generally believed to be on opposing sides of Afghanistan's "Pakistan divide". A bilateral talks between India and China on Afghanistan raised eyebrows within the Indian system since the request came from the Chinese side.

    But it showed for the first time, that China too was hedging its bets regarding its "lips-and-teeth" relationship with Pakistan. Pakistan's ties with the Taliban show no signs of abating, despite Islamabad's own travails with them. None of the peace talks with the Taliban are going anywhere because Pakistan's ISI retains a stranglehold on them. And, Pakistan seems to be in a minority that believes the Taliban should be part of the power structure in Kabul.

    China's worries are centred on their concerns in the Xinjiang province and the threat of jihadi spillover from Afghanistan.

    But also China, like India, wants to protect its considerable investments in Afghanistan. In May China's CNPC will be extracting oil from its wells in northern Afghanistan. This could be the beginning of a resource boom for Afghanistan
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    India has theoretically invested in Afghanistan's Hajigak mines, but security concerns persist. An India-China bilateral dialogue could be the precursor of a joint approach to securing their investments in Afghanistan.

    India, China working in tandem to prevent Taliban surge - The Times of India
     
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  3. huaxia rox

    huaxia rox Senior Member Senior Member

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    1 india currently has no border with afghan.....and there are no too many hindus living in afghan........would it be necessary to talk to indians here???

    2 uighur separists have a long history of fightting china.....its not just because of taliban......before the creation of taliban these separists were already there.......prc should go diplomatic first and talk to who ever is in power in afghan to try to curb these terrorists..........

    3 we should never focus just on countries like afghan but turkic nations like Kazakhstan with who we share a long border..........the whole conflict is not about religion but different races and peoples.......so turkic council nations should be among the first we put our efforts to persuade........to cooperate with us......
     
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    Its not about hindus are present or not. There are many tribes/ethnicities (esp non-pathans) who are very friendly with us. Though i doubt any indian govt will use these connections, but theoretically india can use these connections to wear down china within a'stan. Also wrt uighur taking refuge in a'stan, its more or less a given if taliban take over.

    But having said that, the chances of china/india co-operating over a'stan are very less. There are lot of differences over how we and china look at a'stan. For us more than the commercial considerations, lot more is at stake (read jihadi activities) which can cause huge damage within our society.
     
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    huaxia rox Senior Member Senior Member

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    1 does friendly with you mean ONLY friendly with you?? or in this case does friendly with you mean not friendly with prc??? i am not sure but those chances seem dim......

    2 when you say friendly with you it probably only means these tribes/ethnicities (esp non-pathans) not friendly with current pakistan......so all you care is they can keep pak at bay so indian controlled kashmir is free from potential dangers.........and what prc really cares is the uighur separists problem.........so your second part may be correct........because our focus is not the same.....

    you primarily need a pak hater power there no matter if they are a uighur hater while we primarily need a non-uighur-lover power there no matter if its an indian lover..........
     
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    American are withdrawing from afghan, India was selected to fill those area or it will become terroristic paradise.
    the weird is India accept the job with pleased and has been investing more than 2Billion dollars.
    nobody can ignore India in that area.
    you can image, which country on earth able to
    1/ Able to work under 50 degree weather
    2/ Able to Identify the complex religionary relationship and get the job done, pakistan/taliban/Afghanistani/Indian, they understand each other.
    3/ Popele looks almost same as local people and speak same weird accent English
    the only answer is India
    there are many friendly Indian muslims which also will help a lot.
    China need Indian support.
     
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    nrupatunga Senior Member Senior Member

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    We want the afghans not to have jihad/sharia loving crowd in power. What relations a'stan wants to have with pakis is upto a'stan.
     
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    Exactly like @huaxia rox analyzed, Taliban's clout over Xinjiang Uyghur has been exaggerated. To get India involved is a bad idea, not in the interest of other stakeholders.

    Like Churchill said " If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the Devil" , when there's a convergence of interest Pakistan and even China plus Russia wouldn't frown upon engaging Taliban ( Jihadis) the Satan so long as it serves our interest well.
    @satish007 Guru is it really that hot in Afghan, 50C or 50F?? :fishing:
     
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    @amoy Even US thought that joining hands with these jihadis would not hurt them but enable them to hurt soviets. Initially it did work in their favour but see how it has turned out to be now.
     
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    arnabmit Homo Communis Indus Senior Member

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    Wait for the next 9/11 to happen in Beijing/Shanghai by pak trained jihadis, then you will realize. Wisdom cannot be taught, it has to be realized.

     
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    India, China to hold first dialogue on Afghanistan
     
  12. amoy

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    Why shall China have a dialogue with India on Afghanistan? India for now is using Iranian gateway and contending for resources in AFG. That's indeed a zero sum game. And AFG is for Pakistan's strategic depth.

    That makes no sense. China's partner there is Pakistan for post-NATO security, while India shall be kept out of the feast!
     
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    Afghan with Pak is a complex situation with the hardwired 'ethinic' issue in question. This can hurt China in longterm. or somewhere in the future.


    India has certain genuine interest in that region at socio-political level with a strategic depth. India also has quiet a lot of influence in that region.It seems like as for now both the countries want to protect its inverstment in that region. Its mutual.
     
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    well, it is the one of China's AF strategies , other ones are CN-Pak, CN-Pak-Rus and CN-IN-Ru......
     

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