India-China Border Talks

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    China, India to discuss border issue

    China, India to discuss border issue

    Updated on Friday, July 31, 2009, 12:31 IST

    Beijing: The 13th meeting of the Chinese and Indian special representatives to discuss the border issue will be held on August 7-8 in India, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang announced on Friday.


    Chinese State Councillor Dai Bingguo and Indian National Security Advisor MK Narayanan would attend the meeting.

    They will also exchange views on the development of Sino-Indian strategic and cooperative partnership as well as international and regional issues of common concern, Qin said.

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    I hope they solve it ambicably... and build some trust....
     
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    'Resolution of Indo-Sino boundary issue needs patience'
    Updated on Friday, July 31, 2009, 15:03 IST

    New Delhi: Ahead of the meeting of the Special Representatives of India and China on boundary question, government on Friday told the Rajya Sabha the issue is "complex" and would require "time and patience" for a mutually acceptable settlement.


    External Affairs Minister SM Krishna said pending the resolution of the boundary issue, the endeavour of both the countries is to ensure that peace and tranquillity are maintained in the border areas.

    "Certainly, there are outstanding issues between India and China. The Special Representatives are discussing the boundary question and both countries have agreed to seek a fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable settlement to this issue," he said replying to a discussion on the working of his Ministry.

    "The matter is complex and requires time and patience," he said.

    The statement assumes significance as it comes ahead of talks between Special Representatives -- National Security Adviser MK Narayanan and Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Dai Bingguo -- here on August 7 and 8.

    The upcoming talks will be the 13th round of such parleys between the special representatives since 2003.On the issue of construction of a dam by China on the Brahmaputra, Krishna said both countries instituted a mechanism of expert level talks to focus on issues like exchange of flood control data and emergency response management.

    Observing that India has a strategic and cooperative partnership with China, Krishna said both countries established architecture for dialogue through which all issues of common interest and concern were discussed.

    Bilateral trade has grown significantly and a target of USD 60 billion by 2010 has been jointly set, he said.

    The 'Shared Vision for the 21st Century' signed by the Prime Minister with his Chinese counterpart Wen Jiabao in January last year has added a regional and multi-dimensional aspect to bilateral ties, he added.


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    The Hindu : National : India-China border talks to resume

    NEW DELHI: Chinese Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs Dai Bingguo will arrive here on Thursday to hold in-camera talks on the border issue with National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan on Friday and Saturday.

    Mr. Narayanan and Mr. Dai will resume the 13th round of talks after a hiatus of almost a year. The last round of India-China border issue talks was held in September 2008.

    Both sides view the early settlement of the border issue as a ‘shared strategic objective.’ Mr. Narayanan and Mr. Dai were named Special Representatives in order to find a political solution based on “political parameters and guiding principles agreed upon during Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao’s visit to the country in 2005.

    The recent rounds of talks are aimed at arriving at a framework agreement for resolving the border question, instead of both sides sticking to legal and historical claims. Speaking recently on the India-China ties in Parliament, External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna observed that, “the Special Representatives are discussing the boundary question and both countries have agreed to seek a fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable settlement to this issue.”

    The two countries share common positions on issues like climate change, Doha Round of WTO talks and steps to be taken to arrest the global economic meltdown. “We reciprocated mutual desire to deepen the multi-faceted cooperation between the two countries,” Mr. Krishna had said after his maiden meeting with his Chinese counterpart Yang Jiechi on the sidelines of the ASEAN Regional Forum’s meeting of Foreign Ministers at Phuket in Thailand last month.
     
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    http://www.timesnow.tv/India-rejects-Chinese-claim-on-Arunachal/articleshow/4324225.cms

    India has decided to snub China -- days before the Indo-China border talks India has cleared a huge irrigation project in Arunachal Pradesh which China was trying to block.

    The Indian Cabinet has cleared an 80 million dollar irrigation project in Arunachal Pradesh on Thursday (August 6).

    The decision was taken by the Cabinet Committee on Security chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

    Its' a clear message to China that India considers Arunachal an integral part of India and China's objections to what India does on its territory are not acceptable.

    China has been lying claims to the border areas of Arunachal Pradesh, in fact at the Asian Development Bank, China lobbied to prevent India getting a 2.9 billon dollar loan.

    Now India has snubbed China by deciding to self finance its massive irrigation project in Arunachal.

    And a day before National Security Advisor MK Narayanan meets his Chinese counterpart Dai Binggyao, New Delhi has made it very clear that any Chinese claims on Arunachal will 'not' be entertained.
     
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    India rejects Chinese claim on Arunachal- TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos

    India has decided to snub China -- days before the Indo-China border talks India has cleared a huge irrigation project in Arunachal Pradesh which China was trying to block.

    The Indian Cabinet has cleared an 80 million dollar irrigation project in Arunachal Pradesh on Thursday (August 6).

    The decision was taken by the Cabinet Committee on Security chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

    Its' a clear message to China that India considers Arunachal an integral part of India and China's objections to what India does on its territory are not acceptable.

    China has been lying claims to the border areas of Arunachal Pradesh, in fact at the Asian Development Bank, China lobbied to prevent India getting a 2.9 billon dollar loan.

    Now India has snubbed China by deciding to self finance its massive irrigation project in Arunachal.

    And a day before National Security Advisor MK Narayanan meets his Chinese counterpart Dai Binggyao, New Delhi has made it very clear that any Chinese claims on Arunachal will 'not' be entertained.
     
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    India, China border talks stuck at Tawang

    New Delhi: India-China border talks have hit a roadblock over Beijing's claim to Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh, which has one of the oldest Buddhist monasteries in the region.

    The boundary negotiations are stuck on this since 2007, with little chance of differences dissolving when national security adviser MK Narayanan begins the next round of talks with Chinese vice-foreign minister Dai Bingguo in Delhi on Friday.

    The Chinese claim the entire Arunachal as theirs and believe the Macmohan Line, which was the border imposed by the British, overlooked Beijing's claim to territory traditionally held by them. The constant public claim that Beijing makes on Arunachal is a maximalist position to snatch the monastery town of Tawang from India in the final settlement.

    The sixth Dalai Lama, China points out, was born in Tawang, and the monastery town had to be given back to the Buddhists of Tibet.

    Ironically, in claiming Tawang for its Buddhist shrine, the Chinese say they are doing it for their Tibetan population. But the Tibetans, including their spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, have never asked for it.

    India has made it clear that while arriving at a final settlement of the border dispute, there must be no exchange of territory in populated areas. Tawang has around 20,000 people, all of whom are Indian citizens. Prime minister Manmohan Singh has publicly made the point that only uninhabited areas can be exchanged.

    The Chinese are adamant that the phrase "due intent of the population along the border" is being misrepresented by India.

    An agreement on political parameters and guiding principles for settlement of the boundary dispute was signed when prime minister Wen Jiabao was in Delhi in April 2005.

    India is now citing clauses from the agreement which says populated areas should not be a part of the exchange of territory to be made for a compromise solution to the dispute.

    "The two sides will now have to bridge the gap on the understanding of the political parameters before there can be a forward movement," a senior Indian official said.

    Long time China-watchers, such as Alka Acharya of the Jawaharlal Nehru University, are not surprised by Beijing's attitude. "The border negotiations have now come to the nitty-gritty of territorial exchanges. It is common practice for countries engaged in such complex talks to reiterate their positions...it helps to take a maximilist public position and drum up claims outside the closed doors. These are acknowledged tactics. India can do the same and lay claim to the whole of Aksai Chin," Acharya said.
     
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    India, China border talks from today



    Weeks after Beijing’s attempt to block an ADB loan for a project in Arunachal Pradesh, India and China will sit across the table over the next two days to discuss boundary disputes as part of the 13th round of Special Representative-level talks between the two countries.

    The negotiations on resolving the boundary dispute, which New Delhi describes as a “complex process”, will take place between National Security Advisor M K Narayanan and China’s State Councillor Dai Bingguo. Dai, who will be accompanied by Chinese vice-foreign minister Wu Da Wei and Director General for Boundary and Ocean Affairs Ning Fu Qui, will also call on Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

    Sources said the two Special Representatives—Dai has been the Beijing’s representative since talks began in October 2003—will be “carrying forward” the border talks and also cover “bilateral, regional and international issues” during their conversation.


    It is learnt that the Indian side, comprising Narayanan and Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao among other officials, is likely to take up the issue pertaining to Beijing’s technical hold on imposing a UN ban on Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Maulana Masood Azhar.
     
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    China seeks 'fair' settlement of boundary row with India

    Updated on Friday, August 07, 2009, 23:55 IST Tags:china, india, boundary

    Beijing: As India and China launched the latest round of their boundary talks in New Delhi, Beijing today said it favoured a "fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable solution" to the vexed issue based on the spirit of "mutual understanding and accommodation".


    "China is willing to make joint efforts with India in the spirit of mutual understanding and accommodation to seek a fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable solution to the issue," Jiang Yu, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, said.

    Jiang's comment came as India and China kicked off the 13th meeting between their Special Representatives to discuss the border issue in New Delhi.

    The boundary talks launched in 2003 are being held on the basis of Political Parameters and Guiding Principles agreed between the two countries in 2005.

    At the same time, the official Xinhua news agency noted that China and India have "disputed territory along the Himalayan region in southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region as a result of the 'McMahon Line' drawn by the British colonial rulers in India in the early 20th century."

    "However, the Chinese government has never recognised the illegal 'McMahon Line'", it said.

    Meanwhile, Jiang rejected a media report from Hong Kong about China-India border talks, describing it as "groundless."

    Hong Kong-based Ming Pao newspaper reported on Wednesday that China's bottom line in its border talks with India is that Beijing would possess only 28 per cent of the disputed territory with India.

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    Border row settlement not in near future: Chinese official - China - World - NEWS - The Times of India

    BEIJING: The Chinese government feels it would take several years before the India-China border row is settled. This is evident from a report
    released by the official Xinhua news agency, which quoted Dai Bingguo, the country's special representative boundary talks as saying that the problem can be solved in several years.

    "Dai said that in the next several years, China and India will have a rare time period of opportunity to develop bilateral relations, as well as a rare time period of opportunity to solve their boundary issue," Xinhua said in a dispatch from New Delhi, where the boundary talks took place on Friday and Saturday.

    Dai also said that the two countries have the "resolve, wisdom and capability to strengthen cooperation," the official agency said. The two countries want to make joint efforts to find "a just and fair solution to the boundary issue which is acceptable to both sides, it said.

    Prime Minister Manmohan Singh told Dai that New Delhi was keen to strengthen the Indo-Chinese Strategic Cooperative Partnership, it said. He said both sides should work for the maintenance of peace and calm in the border areas, Xinhua reported.

    He said India and China hold similar opinion and viewpoints on several aspects of international affairs besides coordinating closely on global issues like the international financial crisis and climate change.

    Singh described China as a cooperative partner and said India sincerely wishes to work with Beijing to promote peace, stability and prosperity in Asia and the world, Xinuua said.

    The Indian leader also praised the progress made by the mechanism of China-India Special Representatives for Boundary Issue while saying that the focus will be on reducing the differences, and finding a solution that will satisfy both countries.

    Dai conveyed to Singh the greetings from Chinese president Hu Jintao and Chinese premier Wen Jiabao. Wen has sent Singh a message saying it is in the interests of both countries to maintain peaceful co-existence and seek common development, which is also exerting a deep and far impact on Asia and the whole world.

    China is willing to work with India to increase mutual understanding and confidence, enhance cooperation in all fields, and seek further progress in the field of strategic partnership, Xinhua said quoting from Wen's message.
     
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    India-China to set up PM-level hotline

    NEW DELHI: India and China have decided to set up a hotline between Prime Ministers Manmohan Singh and Wen Jiabao as a confidence building measure. This emerged during the 13th Round of India-China Special Representatives talks on the boundary question which concluded here on Saturday in a ``cordial and friendly atmosphere’’ and discussed other issues including bilateral ties and regional issues.

    At the Ministerial level, India at present has a hotline only with Russia while China has a functional hotline with the US. External Affairs Minister S M Krishna told Parliament last month that the proposal had come from the Chinese side and the intention was to ``maintain regular contacts at the highest level’’.

    Discussing a broader agenda than just the border issue, the two Special Representatives, National Security Advisor M K Narayanan and State Councillor Dai Bingguo, identified trade and economic relations as the ``center piece’ of the bilateral relations and noted that despite the global economic slowdown, India-China trade last year was dollars 52 billions. They resolved to create suitable conditions and environment to maintain the expansion of trade ties.

    In order to ``fittingly’’ observe the 60th anniversary of establishment of diplomatic relations next year, it was decided to hold the Year of Friendship with China in India while China will also kick off similar celebrations, said sources privy to the two-day meeting. Mr. Narayanan and Mr. Dai Bingguo also noted that the frequent interaction between the two countries had lend ``global significance’’ to their bilateral ties.

    China had proposed the establishment of the hotline between the two Prime Ministers during a meeting between Dr. Singh and Chinese President Hu Jintao on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit in Yekaterinburgh, Russia. There were expectations of the hotline getting functioning from July. No date has so far been announced and officials said the technical and other modalities were being worked out.

    Describing relations with China as a key foreign policy priority for India, Mr. Narayanan said the joint document on a “Shared Vision for the 21st Century” signed during Prime Minister’ Manmohan Singh’s visit to China in January last year had taken bilateral relations to a new level.

    An External Affairs Ministry statement said Mr. Dai Bingguo referred to the rapid growth witnessed in the bilateral relations in recent years. Highlighting the importance of ongoing consultations and coordination between the two countries at multilateral fora, he hoped that the two countries would jointly meet global challenges in the spirit of the ``Shared Vision’’.

    Mr. Dai Bingguo said that China takes a ``positive view’’ of India’s development and progress, and supported a bigger role for India in international affairs.

    On the Boundary Question, both sides expressed satisfaction at the progress being made through the Special Representatives mechanism and reiterated that pending the settlement of the boundary issue, peace and tranquility should be maintained in the border areas. During his visit, Mr. Dai Bingguo called on Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and the United Progressive Alliance Chairperson Sonia Gandhi. He conveyed the greetings of Chinese President Hu Jintao and handed over a written message of greetings from Premier Wen Jiabao to Mr. Singh.
     
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    Want to increase understanding with India: Chinese PM

    New Delhi, Aug 8 (PTI) China today expressed readiness to work towards increasing mutual understanding and confidence with India as the two sides concluded two-day boundary talks on a satisfactory note and agreed to maintain "peace and tranquility" in the border areas pending the settlement.

    In a special message to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao said it was in the interest of both the countries to maintain "peaceful co-existence and seek common development which is also exerting deep and far impact on Asia and the whole world".

    The message conveyed through Chinese State Councillor Dai Bingguo, who met Singh, said "China is willing to work with India to increase mutual understanding and confidence, enhance cooperation in all fields, and seek new progress in building the Sino-India Strategic Cooperative Partnership."

    Singh responded by saying that India completely agrees with Wen's sentiments and seeks to strengthen Strategic Cooperative Partnership.
     
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    Border talks with China end satisfactorily

    Updated on Saturday, August 08, 2009, 23:42 IST Tags:China, Chinese PM, India, border talks

    New Delhi: China on Saturday expressed readiness to work towards increasing mutual understanding and confidence with India as the two sides concluded two-day boundary talks on a satisfactory note and agreed to maintain "peace and tranquility" in the border areas pending the settlement.

    In a special message to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao said it was in the interest of both the countries to maintain "peaceful co-existence and seek common development which is also exerting deep and far impact on Asia and the whole world".


    The message conveyed through Chinese State Councillor Dai Bingguo, who met Singh, said "China is willing to work with India to increase mutual understanding and confidence, enhance cooperation in all fields, and seek new progress in building the Sino-India Strategic Cooperative Partnership."

    Singh responded by saying that India completely agrees with Wen's sentiments and seeks to strengthen Strategic Cooperative Partnership.

    Describing China as a cooperative partner, Singh said India was willing to work towards expanding and deepening bilateral ties and work with it to promote peace, stability and prosperity in Asia and the world.

    The message came as Special Representatives of the two countries concluded deliberations, expressing "satisfaction at the progress" being made in the boundary talks and agreeing to maintain "peace and tranquility" in border areas pending settlement.


    India, China hold border talks, hope for stronger ties Singh also told Dai that before the two countries settle the boundary issue, both sides should work for the maintenance of peace and calmness in the border areas.

    The Prime Minister also hoped that the two countries would make further efforts to reduce differences and find a solution to the boundary issue to mutual satisfaction, according to Chinese official news agency.

    External Affairs Ministry spokesman Vishnu Prakash said the talks between National Security Adviser M K Narayanan and Dai were held in "cordial and friendly" atmosphere.

    For the first time, apart from the boundary issues, the discussions covered a broad agenda which included the entire gamut of bilateral relations and regional and international issues of mutual interest

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    Border talks on track, China sees bigger global role for India

    Expressing “satisfaction” at the progress made after two days of border talks, India and China on Saturday said that “peace and tranquility should be maintained” in the India-China border areas. A statement issued by the Ministry of External Affairs on Saturday evening said, “On the Boundary Question, both sides expressed satisfaction at the progress being made through the Special Representatives mechanism and reiterated that pending the settlement of the boundary issue, peace and tranquility should be maintained in our border areas.” Moreover, the statement quoted Dai Bingguo, Beijing’s Special Representative, as saying, “China takes a positive view of India’s development and progress, and also supports a bigger role for India in international affairs.”



    Bingguo, who is China’s state councillor, met with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi and held extensive border talks with his Indian counterpart National Security Advisor M K Narayanan over the last two days in New Delhi. Narayanan was accompanied by Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao among other officials from MEA and PMO, whereas Dai was accompanied by Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Wu Da Wei and Director General for Boundary and Ocean Affairs Ning Fu Qui.


    Apart from the boundary issues, the statement said that discussions covered a “broad agenda” which included the entire gamut of bilateral relations and regional and international issues of “mutual interest”.



    Narayanan described the relations with China as a “key foreign policy priority” for India during the talks and said that the joint document on a “Shared Vision for the 21st Century” signed during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s 2008 China visit had taken bilateral relations to a “new level”. The significant expansion in bilateral cooperation in areas such as trade and investment, defence, culture, education and people-to-people exchanges was noted by both sides.



    The MEA statement said that Dai Bingguo reciprocated Narayanan’s sentiments and referred to rapid growth witnessed in the bilateral relations in recent years. Highlighting the importance of ongoing consultations and coordination between the two countries at multilateral fora, the Chinese interlocutor expressed the hope that the two countries will jointly meet global challenges in the spirit of the shared vision.



    Both sides noted that the Strategic and Cooperative Partnership established between India and China in 2005 was a major milestone in the relationship and reiterated the commitment of both countries to consolidate this partnership in all fields in a comprehensive way, the statement said
     
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    NSA gets charge of ties with China - India - NEWS - The Times of India

    The India-China boundary talks have just been elevated into a high level strategic dialogue. National Security Adviser MK Narayanan and
    Chinese state councilor Dai Bingguo will now be presiding over the highest level of strategic dialogue between the two countries. The NSA is effectively taking over management of India's China relationship, reflecting a prominence that the PM wants to impart to the relationship.

    If in the earlier talks, the boundary issue dominated proceedings, this time, the two-day talks, which ended on Saturday, covered everything from trade and economic issues to Af-Pak and terrorism as well as bilateral relations and global issues to minor issues like a hotline between Delhi and Beijing (which was agreed on and will soon be installed).

    India and China do have a strategic dialogue, but that's at the bureaucratic level, between the foreign secretary on the Indian side and a vice foreign minister, Wu Dawei, on the Chinese side. Dai is also the pointperson for China's strategic dialogue with the US.

    The boundary talks, shrouded in secrecy only moved forward in inches, but nobody seriously expects them to progress exponentially, because China is not really interested at this moment. The broadening of the dialogue is another indication that India doesn't want the boundary issue to dominate the relationship, but embed it within the larger canvas, focusing on the convergences.

    An MEA statement at the end of the talks said, "Both sides expressed satisfaction at the progress being made through the Special Representatives mechanism and reiterated that pending the settlement of the boundary issue, peace and tranquility should be maintained in our border areas."

    Sources said China may finally agree to lift objections to declaring Jaish-e-Mohammed leader Maulana Masood Azhar a terrorist by the UN Security Council. India has given a bunch of documents on the JeM leader to the Chinese government, which still maintains a "technical hold" at the 1267 committee in the UNSC. China had maintained a "hold" on Hafiz Saeed too until Pakistan gave them the go-ahead after Mumbai attacks to mitigate international pressure.

    During the talks, Pakistan and Afghanistan featured prominently in the discussions and emphasis will be put on the 60th anniversary celebrations.

    There certainly appears a strong desire to "clean up" the relationship. There is unlikely to be any give in the boundary issue, but certainly the PM doesn't want it to overwhelm everything else. In the past few months that's exactly what has happened, but it appears that after the talks between PM and Hu Jintao at Yekaterinburg, there has been some course correction.

    In the past year, China has, on two occasions, showed its hand as being the last opposition to India. On both occasions, China was beaten back and severely lost face. In September 2008, China was the last man standing at the Nuclear Suppliers Group against giving India an unconditional waiver for nuclear commerce. The nuclear deal went through.

    Earlier this year, China objected to a country partnership strategy for India by the Asian Development Bank. India had to threaten strong retaliation and got the US, Japan and even Pakistan to back it, again leaving China as the sole dissenter.

    Officials say that with the new Obama administration showing its interest in disarmament and non-proliferation, China has been quietly pushing a "universalization of the NPT" which would be targeted at India.

    But all this is offset by other things -- China and India are now openly working together at multilateral forums like G-8/G-5 and G-20 forums to battle the global economic crisis and attempt a reform of global financial and economic institutions.

    Even on climate change, China has been working closely with India, despite the fact that India sees a deliberate attempt by the west to wean China away from India with a separate "deal". Shyam Saran, PM's envoy on climate change, has already visited China and environment minister Jairam Ramesh will be in Beijing on August 14. Ramesh said the Wadia Institute of Himalayan Geology is teaming up with a Chinese institute to study the shrinkage of Himalayan glaciers.

    Both countries are preparing to roll out their leadership for high-level visits later this year. Foreign minister SM Krishna will travel to Beijing, and his counterpart Yang Jiechi will be in Delhi later this year. Hu Jintao or Wen Jiabao is likely to visit India by November, although Manmohan Singh now has regular meetings with Chinese leaders at every multi-nation summit.

    India, say reports, also refused to give a visa to Rebiya Kadeer of the World Uighur Congress, whom the Chinese accused of fomenting the Xinjiang unrest in July. For its part, China has officially denied an account by the US Pacom chief Admiral Keating that said China wanted to divide the Indian Ocean into US and Chinese zones of influence.
     
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    Good news if something positive comes out of these future talks. But at the same time India should not be in lull about the military expansion to deter china from any future misadventures in the border areas.
     
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    INDIA: Mixed Signals from China

    INDIA: Mixed Signals from China

    By B. Raman

    The 13th round of the talks between the Special Representatives of India and China on the long-pending border dispute was held at New Delhi on August 7 and 8, 2009. India was represented by M. K. Narayanan, the National Security Adviser, and China by Dai Bingguio, the State Councillor. It was reported that in addition to the border dispute, which was the principal subject of the discussions, they also discussed other matters of strategic importance.

    2. According to the briefing given to the Indian media by Indian officials, the discussions on other matters of strategic importance resulted in the following agreements:

    To set up a hotline between the Prime Ministers of the two countries as a confidence-building measure. India presently has a hotline only with Russia. It has been reported that the suggestion for a hotline between the Prime Ministers of India and China originally came from President Hu Jintao when he had met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in the margins of the summit of the Shanghai Co-operation Organisation (SCO) at Yekaterinburg in Russia on June 15,2009.
    To keep up the momentum in the expansion of the bilateral trade, which reached US $ 52 billion last year.
    To celebrate the 60 th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries in a befitting manner next year.
    3. The focus in the media briefings on the positive decisions in respect of other matters of strategic importance and not on the border dispute possibly indicated that the deadlock in finding a mutually acceptable solution to the border dispute remained unbroken in the talks. It is noticed that the Government/party controlled Chinese media gave more details of the talks than the Indian media. The text of identical reports carried by the "People's Daily" and the "China Daily" is annexed.

    4. It may be recalled that earlier this year the " Global Times", an English language daily of the "People's Daily" group, and a section of Chinese academics had mounted a critical and sarcastic campaign against India following media reports of reported Indian plans to deploy two Mountain Divisions and an Air Force Squadron in Arunachal Pradesh for its defence. In this connection, reference is invited to my article of June 12, 2009, titled " Chinese Media Fury over Arunachal Pradesh" at Chinese Media Fury over Arunachal Pradesh and the article of June 18, 2009 titled " CHINA: Media Anger on Arunachal Pradesh Continues Unabated" by D. S. Rajan, Director, Chennai Centre For China Studies, at China: Media Anger on Arunachal Pradesh Continues Unabated .

    5. This media campaign against India----- unusual in its sarcasm and ridicule of Indian aspirations of becoming a global power--- had a strongly negative impact on large sections of Indian public opinion and added to the existing prejudices against China. Possibly realising this, an attempt was made by the "People's Daily" on the eve of the border talks to project India in a positive light by the publication of some articles, which gave the impression of being more objective and appreciative of India. One of these articles, which was widely noticed in India, was contributed by Zhang Yan, who assumed charge as the Chinese Ambassador to India in March last year.

    6. In a special interview to the Xinhua news agency on the eve of the border talks, which was disseminated on August 4, 2009, he said: "China and India should settle the existing border disputes properly, calling into play the greatest possible political wisdom. Despite the twists and turns in China-India ties and border disputes, the two countries share the same historical responsibilities of developing economies, improving people's lives and safeguarding world peace and development, which requires them to properly handle existing problems with the utmost political wisdom. The two countries are facing valuable development opportunities. They should use the 60th anniversary of diplomatic ties between the two countries next year to cement bilateral links and contribute to Asia's and world peace and development. The two largest Asian countries have witnessed rapid growth in their relationship in recent years and forged a strategic cooperative partnership. There were frequent visits between top leaders and increasing parliamentary, youth and military exchanges. China is now India's top trading partner, while India has become China's largest overseas project contracting market and an important investment destination. Bilateral trade volume between the two hit 51.7 billion U.S. dollars in 2008, up 35 per cent over the same period of a year ago. The two countries have also set a target of bilateral trade volume of 60 billion U.S. dollars by 2010. The two countries share the same stance on major international and regional issues, and had maintained close cooperation on hot topics such as climate change, food security, Doha negotiations and the worldwide economic downturn. As emerging powers, China and India have worked closely within the frameworks of BRIC, the five developing nations and the Group of 20, to safeguard the common interests of developing countries."

    7. It is learnt that the Chinese visual media also projected a more positive image of India. While I have not had an opportunity of watching the Chinese TV, a member of the web site : Bharat-Rakshak.com - The Consortium of Indian Military and Defence Websites :, who had, has posted as follows: "Newstory in Chinese CCTV on India as a global player. The story was spurred by the launch of Arihant (the nuclear submarine). Mostly accurate and probably the most accurate coming from a foreign source. The Chinese analyst clearly talks about India's arrival on the Asian and the world scene. More sober than the scathing diatribes from Global Times in the recent past. They talk about India being one of the four ancient civilizations. Never seen that from CNN types."

    8. While thus projecting India and the Sino-India relations in a positive light on the eve of the border talks, the English language Chinese media, at the same time, sought to convey a message that this positive portrayal did not presage any change in China's stand on the border dispute, which remained and which would remain as before. Under the title "Expert: China will not compromise on Sino-Indian border issue", the " Global Times" reported as follows on August 7,2009, the day the latest round of border talks started: "Border talks between China and India began today in New Delhi, capital of India, according to the Global Times. This round of negotiations followed media speculation, with Reuters saying the two countries are not likely to reach a border treaty, while Hongkong media claimed the negotiations are making great progress. Ming Pao, a Hongkong newspaper, suggested that the present time is not favorable for China to resolve boundary issue in such a hurried way because the country is still rising globally and if the dispute is not properly addressed, the result will only be blamed by generations to come. Chinese military expert Long Tao commented that the disputed region of South Tibet is not the cause of the two countries' conflict in the history, but rather was left over from 1914. That was when the British colonialists arbitrarily made the "McMahon Line," which Long says is even more ridiculous than the unequal Treaty of Nanjing. He also added that though the two parties want to focus on developing bilateral ties, China won't sacrifice its sovereignty in exchange for friendship. Therefore, India should not have any illusions with regard to this issue."

    8.The Xinhua news agency disseminated a report the same day quoting Jiang Yu, a spokesperson of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, as saying as follows: " China is willing to make joint efforts with India in the spirit of mutual understanding and accommodation to seek a fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable solution to the issue. China and India have disputed territory along the Himalayan region in southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region as a result of the "McMahon Line" drawn by the British colonial rulers in India in the early 20th century. However, the Chinese Government has never recognized the illegal "McMahon Line". "

    9. The message, which was conveyed through the Chinese media in the days before the border talks and on the first day of the border talks, was thus very clear: China continued to attach importance to a further improvement of its bilateral relations with India, but it will remain firm on its claims to Indian territory in the Arunachal Pradesh sector.

    (The writer is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of India, New Delhi, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai. He is also associated with the Chennai Centre For China Studies. E-mail: [email protected])
     
  19. RAM

    RAM The southern Man Senior Member

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    India, China for 'practical solution' to border row: PM

    ON BOARD PM'S SPECIAL AIRCRAFT: A day after meeting his Chinese counterpart Wen Jiabao, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Saturday said they had resolved to find "pragmatic and mutually satisfactory" solution to the border problem and remove "misunderstandings" to strengthen ties.

    Singh said he had discussed with Wen the totality of issues in a general way and he agreed with the Chinese premier that there was enough space in the world for both the countries to grow and that they should cooperate and collaborate.

    "We reaffirmed the two countries' resolve to find a practical, pragmatic and mutually satisfactory solution to the border problem," he told reporters on his way back home after a seven-day tour that took him to Japan, Malaysia and Vietnam.

    The Prime Minister was asked about the sense of his meeting with Wen, which came in the backdrop of irritants resulting from China impliedly questioning the status of Jammu and Kashmir as also by laying claim to Arunachal Pradesh.

    Recognising the complexity of the border issue, the two sides had agreed that pending a solution to it "peace and tranquillity should be maintained along the border."

    Singh and Wen had on Friday instructed their special representatives on the issue to "work our way to solutions to all the issues that are difficult in our relationship, including boundary question".

    The special representatives -- India's national security adviser Shivshankar Menon and top Chinese official Dai Bingguo -- will meet in Beijing next month.

    "Whatever Premier Wen said, I agree. India-China relations should be strengthened. Whatever misunderstandings are there should be removed," the Prime Minister said.

    In this context, Singh said he had invited Wen to visit India and he had accepted to do so in the near future. Wen is expected to visit India sometime in the middle of December.

    During the meeting on Friday in Hanoi on the sidelines of the East Asia Summit, Singh took up with Wen "difficult questions" impacting on Sino-Indian ties and pressed for "sensitivity" to India's "core issues".

    The two leaders, while going through the entire range of relationship taking the "larger strategic view," also discussed the economic aspect of the ties in the backdrop of concerns in India over the big trade imbalance in favour of China.

    Just before Wen and Manmohan Singh met, China insisted publicly that it would continue to give stapled visas to Indians from Jammu and Kashmir -- a sign that Beijing disputed New Delhi's control over the state.

    A commentary in a state-run Chinese daily also hinted that India's attempt to forget better relations with the Far East was probably aimed at encircling China.


    Read more: India, China for 'practical solution' to border row: PM - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...row-PM-/articleshow/6843088.cms#ixzz13rRR0tzJ
     
  20. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Rhetoric and hot air.

    How?

    That is what begs the answer!
     
  21. arya

    arya Senior Member Senior Member

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    what we can do while we know we are nothing against china

    our force is losing confidence day by day and no one is thinking for nation every one s making money we don't have any policy

    is there a single chance we can give any fight to china so a easy option we can use as our leader say

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