India-China animosity generating big gains for India’s neighbors

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    The new ministry in the center with ambitious regional plans, India is looking to bring its neighboring countries closer to New Delhi. It is quite obvious from Narendra Modi driven modified approach of Indian foreign policy. The external Affairs’ ministry is working day and night to deliver the PM’s vision towards this goal. Shushma Swaraj is busy these days with appointments with the leaders of the neighboring countries and she has successfully paved way for the first two visits of the PM to Bhutan and Nepal where the PM announced huge sops to woo the countries for better relations so as to keep the Indian position secure from Chinese influencers.
    The PM has been hugely successful in his efforts to strike the emotional and cultural chord plus his repeated assurances on non-interference in the internal matters proved to be very effective. Announcements of $1 billion soft credit to Nepal and similar sops to Bhutan in the form of Investment in Hydro Power and Social Sector drawn huge applauses in these countries. These sops even attracted criticisms at home as India is reeling under economic instability, inflation, poverty and other socio-political issues to afford such sops to other countries. The next phase is definitely to be Myanmar, Srilanka, Maldives and Bangladesh as the Chinese are omnipresent everywhere. Myanmar is the country to be focused on immediate basis and I’m sure that the PM has put his vision right, Myanmar is going to be the next big thing for India as it is the gateway to ASEAN. Chinese have made deep inroads into Myanmar because of its political isolation for decades from rest of the world and China utilized this opportunity to the fullest. But for the past several years Myanmar is facing protests from its own people against the undue advantages given to the Chinese resulting in opening up of the market to the rest of the world in a phased manner even the US responded positively by sending Hillary Clinton to take the stock. India too increased its engagement with Myanmar and today we are also active in several projects in that country but these are of miniscule as compared to that of China. Recently Myanmar has cancelled a $20b railway project initiated by china due to protests from the Burmese people. It is high time for India to utilize the situation and bridge the confidence gap. Sushma Swaraj is again is in action with her upcoming visit to Myanmar next week. It is going to be rain of grants, soft credits and FDI from India to Myanmar. India can even push hard for an FTA. India-Myanmar-Thailand trilateral highway project is another thrust area to be taken up immediately. India can demand greater access to Myanmar and also convince that country to cooperate more on flushing out Indian insurgent groups holed up there. So all will come at a price and the Price the PM will reveal in his upcoming visit to Myanmar in November’14.
    Srilanka is attracting considerable Indian Investments these days but in security scenario, Srilanka is closer to China than India. So again the same story of sops will be repeated to have more engagement with Lanka.
    Bangladesh is going to be little different here as Mr. Modi has to play differently with it. Socio-political and illegal migrant issues have become more of a headache for India in recent times and this has to be taken up diplomatically with Bangladesh. India can offer more water, partner in Education and healthcare sector, Infra projects and energy exploration and production from the recently resolved disputed area in the Bay of Bengal. India may grant greater market access to Bangladeshi products at the same time migrant issues to be given priority to ensure socio-political stability in Eastern India.
    Indian Government’s pledge to develop Maldives will continue as it is and thus the PM needs to have a big pocket while going to these countries.
    Whether these sops are necessary? Unfortunately the answer is a big YES. These sops are absolutely necessary considering the National Security aspects due to overwhelming Chinese ambitions in these countries. We have lost our bargaining power in most of these countries due to the ineffective approach followed by the previous government which lacked decisiveness. UPA coalition kept the government occupied with issues like scams and corruption, coalition members’ demands and lack of vision. So India is paying the price. But it is always better late than never. Hope the New leadership will be able to secure Indian interests with the neighbors and usher in a new era of regional cooperation and keeping the Chinese at bay at the same time. India will not be able to achieve Economic stability without engaging the neighbors that the PM understood very well. It is time to wait and watch how China moves with it, but is worthwhile mentioning that ultimately these countries are benefitting the most from the India-China rivalry. It may even fuel a new race between India and China; let’s call it as “Big Pocket Diplomacy.”

    PS: This is purely my view on the subject and debates are welcome.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Modi is on the right lines.

    He is a good orator and can identify with the aspirations of the people he is addressing, Indian or foreign, and he addresses their needs as far as India can do.

    Prachanda, who is a vitriolic anti Indian chap, was floored by Modi.

    Good sign for better relations to come.
     
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    big pocket diplomacy- good, how big your pocket is determines how far u can go.

    all talks no money still no go!

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    Ethnicity matters.

    And the Nepalis. who are Hindus, are more religious than the Indian Hindus.

    Check their flag.

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    The blue border symbolizes the peace and harmony that has been prevalent in the country since the age of Gautama Buddha, who was born in Nepal.[discuss] The crimson red is Nepal's national colour, and it indicates the brave spirits of the Nepalese people. The two triangles symbolize the Himalaya Mountains and could also represent the two major religions, Hinduism and Buddhism. The red triangular flag has been a Hindu symbol of victory since the time of Ramayana and Mahabharata. The depiction of celestial bodies represents permanence, the hope that Nepal will last as long as the sun and the moon

    Also jobs in India that is not there in China.
     
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    You are right to some extent but you need to understand that China has to buy tickets now, free ride is over!
     
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    what does buying ticket mean?

    is this a buying? >> Nepal Seeks More Chinese HydroPower Investment - Power Insider AsiaPower Insider Asia
    Normally such projects take years to complete. Is it now about time for harvest?

    http://en.ce.cn/Business/Enterprise/201401/01/t20140101_2031797.shtml
    also PM Sushil ridicules India's concern over growing Nepal China ties
    The rail way has reached Xigaze fyi.
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    When the new Treaty to include Trade and Transit is signed, it will be real easy and cheap for Nepal to import quality products from the West and elsewhere like SE Asia which is becoming the new cheaper production hub.

    Nepal has to make the correct noises so as to calm the apprehensions in China.

    China must subsidise its exports to Nepal so that they are cheaper than anywhere else. The Transportation cost from Mainland China to the dry ports will be real expensive.
     
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    Chinese investment in the Nepali Mine (Sick unit) simply reflects China's intentions beyond business.

    Regarding Sushil Koirala's view, Chinese presence in Nepal will always discomfort India. In general parlance, if India deals with China, India will give priority to its own interests, India may or may not consider the interests of Nepal or any other countries. same thing applies to Nepal's dealing with China, Nepal may not consider Indian interests which is very sensitive to every aspect as they have their implications in India. So the discomfort persists.


    Moreover, the said rail link does not seem to be viable considering the market size of Nepal. China is not going to do $30b business with 30 mn people with $5b investments only on Railway track unless China plans quick movement of its troops to the borders.
     
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    China raises Nepal aid 5-fold to compete with India

    China raises Nepal aid 5-fold to compete with India - The Times of India

    BEIJING: In what appears to be a straight competition for influence with India, China has increased its official aid to Nepal by more than five times. China has also promised to build electricity infrastructure in Nepal worth $1.6 billion to counter an Indian offer of soft loan for the power sector. Chinese aid to the Himalayan nation will rise from the present level of $24 million to $128 million in 2015-16. The announcement came after talks between Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi and his Nepali counterpart Mahendra Bahadur Pandey in Kathmandu on Friday.

    Besides, Beijing is building a police academy for Nepal as a special gift. This is probably because Nepalese police help control the flow of Tibetan refugees trying to enter India through Nepal.
    "As neighbors China and Nepal have common security needs ... we need to work together to crack down on illegal border crossings and transnational crimes," Wang said.

    Nepali elite have for sometime complained that India has taken its relationship with the country for granted, and has not done enough to meet its development aspirations. China appears to be filling in the gap besides competing with Indian companies in Nepal's power sector. India has announced a $1 billion soft loan to built the country's infrastructure including power projects. Nepal's hydropower sector has a potential to generate up to 42,000MW of electricity.

    China has responding with a $1.6 billion power project, which will be built by the government-owned Three Gorges International Corp over the Seti River in western Nepal. It is expected to generate 750MW of electricity. "Nepal has power shortages and electricity is essential for Nepal's efforts to industrialize, to create more jobs, to build its capacity in independent development and to raise quality of lives of its people," Wang told reporters in Katmandu, Nepal's capital. Relationship between the two neighbors is expected to further intensify as Chinese president Xi Jinping is due to visit the Himalayan nation next year.

    Direct train connection from Nepal to Tibet in China is expected to become a reality in a year or so. China has begun extending the Tibet rail line in the 167km stretch from Lahsa and Xigaze, which brings it closer to the Nepal border.
     
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    Good hahahahaha Win win for nepal.
     
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    good moves by China. around half day of power outage is a routine in Kathmandu and the whole city is severely polluted and shrouded in dust probably becoz of coal usage. once those hydro projects r finished, it will become history.

    millions of Chinese will flood to Nepal comfortably via the railway extending from Xigaze to boost her economy. in addition to the Golmud Qinghai - Lhasa Tibet artery Sichuan - Tibet railway has broken ground fm the east to complete a whole ring.
     
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    wow ......well done Sir and i gave it a like ....would have given more if there were the options
    IF i had my way , you wold be voted one of the Pillars of DFI ! :superman:
    we need more of these quality opinions ....btw which profession ?
     
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    Good job done by Nepal, get as much as possible from China...
     
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    Thank you! Those were simple observations based on the developments in SAARC.
    Regarding my professions - I'm an MBA, was working in Telecom sector in India. Trying to be an entrepreneur at present.
     
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    The way China is playing with Himalayan Ecology by constructing Dams, Railroad and Military Infra, a major catastrophe in Tibet is inevitable in near future the way it is happening all across China. China's Communist mentality will sink the Tibetans.
     
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    Hindu Constitution ...

    Will Nepal people be allowed to enter Tibet ...
     
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    Yours is typical of a forked tongued talk. Mind u of the dams India is building in Nepal and the electricity purchase agreement yr beloved Modi govmt had entered into lately with Nepal, plus the sales of Indian arms / ammunition to NP.

    What twist will u give to the above facts on Indian deals, ecologically friendly? all benign fm India?

    The rail ring is an enabler for NP to integrate into a prosperous circle. By the time it's completed Kathmandu will b closer to Chengdu a world-class city than Chengdu is to Beijing.

    It's up to Nepalis to judge and take what comes in their favour be it fm the north or the south. Spare them self righteous doublespeak plz.

    @Compersion the border trade is active. Nepalis certainly can access China. And a NP Consulate in Lhasa.
     
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    :rofl:
    FYI, India has been purchasing Electricity from Nepal since 1996 it is not new. Regarding Dams - Which Himalayan river of Nepal connects the sea? Which Dam in Nepal is damaging Himalayan Ecology? How many rivers in Nepal were diverted by India?

    No, we are not selling arms to Nepal. India has been providing Arms and Ammo to Nepal as grants before you entered the earth's atmosphere. More than 500 Nepali are serving in Indian Army. Hope you are shocked! If baidu gives correct results, you can search why India is giving Arms to Nepal.



    Tibet China relationship is in place before your CCP and PLA entered Tibet. So Nepali Consulate in Lhasa is not an eye opener. It is funny to know that Nepal's access to Tibet means Nepal's access to Mainland China. Nepal was neither linked to China historically nor at present. It is the Chinese who enter Nepal with Vested interests. Nepalis will be happy to deal with Tibetans rather than Hans. BTW, what is your definition of prosperity and what is that prosperous circle? Few Rail lines, Airports and Jobs doesn't mean prosperity and Tibet is the best example. Yes, for you, prosperity can be living in denial, restrictions, suppression, oppression but remember, there is a democracy in China (Though CCP tried influencing communist movement and failed) so your tricks are not going to work in Nepal. Yes Nepalis will judge everything whatever comes from North because they are Hindu and can not be controlled by Confucians and CCP's mind control tactics.
     
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    what's new in @brational 's platitudes? say whatever u like. but it's ridiculously ignorant to claim no historical links btwn Nepalese n Chinese. every Nepalese r proud of Aniko a designer of Beijing palaces. back on topic I'm glad that Nepalese have an alternative - their northern neighbour the world's #2 economy in addition to Indian freebies. do Chinese ask Nepalis to give up Indian goodies? of course not! keep them going so long as they benefit local people. time will b the witness to changes those infra may bring abt. Sri Lanka for one has come to see gradually fruits Chinese infra investment bears so will Nepalis for sure.

    when the competition gets fierce, join up with an natural ally.
     
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