India-Bangladesh relations

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    This is the first part of my writing on India-Bangladesh relation after 1971.I didn't post it on the article section because I think we should discuss on this important matter.

    Constructive criticism and debate are welcome.But troll are not.

    Thank you.
     
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    India-Bangladesh Relations : after 1971

    Rifat-ul-Ahsan




    “Why Bangladeshis don’t like Indians?”-A common question I come across when participating in different Internet forums. Things that come to my mind instantly are Farakka and BSF killing Bangladeshi civilians. But,there is more to it.These are just the tip of the ice. As the Bengali saying goes, “Taali ek haate baje na” (means you can’t clap with one hand), so I decided to dig deeper.

    The subject is so vast,that volumes can be written on this and yet we might feel it is incomplete.This is a small attempt to understand why the relation between these two neighbors turned sour .

    Chapter- 1: Indian army in Bangladesh immediately after Pakistan’s surrender

    The Indian army entered Bangladesh as saviour and were welcomed as one.This was the time when the relation between Bangladesh and India was on an all time high.However,that feeling slowly died down thanks to some rumours and suspicious activities of Indian Govt.,regarding the withdrawal of Indian army from independent Bangladesh.

    A large section of Indian army was staying in Bangladesh since 1971,and as the time passed by they began to look like an “Occupying army”.There were reports that Indian army was sending back large quantities of arms seized from Pakistan army. According to rumors circulating in Dhaka at that time, the Indian Army also took away not only large quantities of household items, furniture and electrical goods left by the Pakistanis but was also dismantling industrial machineries of abandoned factories.However,there were no reports filed against these actions at that time.So we have to depend on eyewitnesses and/or rumours if we really want to believe the looting and plundering by Indian army.

    The history of Bangladeshis/Bengalis shows that we always resisted any type of foreign occupation.Bangladeshi people fearful of Indian occupation this time,believed those reports or rumours,whatever you chose to call them.So the honeymoon between India and Bangladesh was slowly ending.Indian army slowly earned a new image of “Occupation army”.

    In addition,the Bangladeshi Freedom fighters felt that their achievement and hard work were overshadowed by Indian army.They felt Indian army “just walked in Bangladesh when we had already finished the job.” And they were quite right. Their work were put in the shades by India.That is the reason we still find many Indians living under the false belief that India single handedly gave us freedom.Thus insulting the martyrs and freedom fighters.

    These may seem minor reasons, but these were just the start.They were followed by controversial actions by both sides which proved fatal for India-Bangladesh relation in future.

    Chapter- 2: India-Bangladesh treaties during and after liberation

    The clauses of the India-Bangladesh Friendship treaty are here: BANGLAPEDIA: India-Bangladesh Friendship Treaty
    But what led Bangladesh and India to this treaty?

    Let’s discuss the Bangladeshi point of view in short:
    1)Withdrawal of Indian troops as it was becoming a headache for Sheikh Mujib.

    2)Bangladesh suffered destruction of enormous proportion. Total damage were estimated at 12.5 billion Taka or $ 3 billion (1971 rate).

    3)More than 20 million Bangladeshi displaced and were in refugee camps in India.

    Indian interest in the treaty:
    Indian policy was always to establish itself as a regional power,and 1971 gave India a golden chance.So Indian interest in the treaty was greater than that of Bangladesh.India certainly did not want Bangladesh to let go off the hand.Like it went into Bi-lateral treaties with Nepal and Bhutan after 1947,it was expected that India would do the same for Bangladesh. Otherwise in future Bangladesh could have turned into an state forming alliance with Pakistan or themselves be hostile to India.There was a fear in Indian policymakers’ mind that Mao would play a part and ultra leftist element in Bangladesh would take over.Which really could trigger trouble in NE India at that time.

    Although this friendship Treaty was not a defence pact,but Indian Govt.’s intention was clearly shown in article 8,9 and 10 of the treaty.

    We shall see how India broke its own treaty in the coming chapters.As termed by Shah Mohammad Saifuddin,Bangladesh walked into a strategic Trap signing the 25 year treaty with India..This treaty took away most, if not all, options for Bangladesh to independently establish foreign, defense, and economic relations with other nations in the world.

    There were many secret treaties signed between Indian Govt. and the exiled Bangladeshi Govt. during the liberation war.The points of infamous “Treaty of Subservience” or Seven point agreement is here;

    1. Bangladesh government will select only those people for administrative posts who have actively participated in the liberation war and any shortfall therein will be filled by the Indian government officials.
    2. A joint force will be formed comprising of the Indian army and the Mukti Bahini and this force will be placed under the command of the chief of staff of the Indian army who will lead the liberation war.
    3. Bangladesh will have no standing army.
    4. India will help raise a paramilitary force to protect the internal law and order of the country.
    5. Open market will be the basis for trade relation between the two nations and this arrangement will be subject to periodical reviews.
    6. The Indian army will be stationed in Bangladesh for an indefinite period of time, but the time frame for their gradual withdrawal will be determined through annual meetings between the two governments.
    7. Bangladesh will formulate its foreign policy only in consultation with India.
    Source: Dr. Kalidas Baidya, Bangalir Muktijudhe Antoraler Sheikh Mujib, p:166-167
    The policy makers of Bangladesh at that time,in fact believed that no country could attack Bangladesh by land if India was not attacked first.They believed India would not attack Bangladesh.It was argued that having an army was a luxury for Bangladesh and we don’t need one!India would give protection from external threat.
    But the reality is that only India is capable of attacking Bangladesh from all the fronts.
    The clause Three of the seven point treaty prohibits Bangladesh from having an army,and clause 4 says India will help Bangladesh raise a paramilitary force.It is widely believed that is why the infamous Rakhkhi Bahini was formed.

    Chapter- 3: Rakkhi Bahini and the descent of Sheikh Mujib

    The law and order of the newly born country deteriorated fast,with arms available to civilians who fought in the war.There was a need to bring order in place. It was argued that army was still nor organized and so the task fell on Rakkhi bahini.They were trained by Indian military personnel as promised by the seven point agreement.
    The Rakkhi Bahini soon became a tool for suppressing political rivals of Sheikh Mujib.They were involved in extra-judicial killings,raping and torture.When the Supreme court found that the Rakkhi Bahini had no code of conduct, no rules of procedure and no register of arrests and interrogation. Instead of reining in the outfit, Sheikh Mujib stripped the court of its powers to intervene in such matters.
    Without a doubt, people loathed this outfit for its conduct.In addition, Sheikh Mujib’s sons were proving them on par with the Rakkhi Bahini.They were involved in extortions,raping and more.Probably felt they owned the country.
    Now you are wondering what this has got to do with India-Bangladesh relation. Military equipment was supplied to this paramilitary force by India, as per the request of the Bangladesh government and that they also used an identical uniform to that worn by the Border Security Force.Moudud Ahmed, pointed these on his book, “Era of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman” in 1983.He does not deny the point one of the seven point agreement.As he states, “The service provided by the Indian bureaucrats, at the request of Bangladesh government, was considered as interference and the looting - the ‘spoils of war’ – is a much overstated incident”.

    Chapter- 4: Resentment in Bangladesh Army
    Indian authority certainly did not want Bangladesh army to grow in size.The reasons being;
    1. A strong Bangladesh military could become future security threat to India.
    2. If Army becomes powerful enough,it might seize power just like in Pakistan.
    3. The ideology and principles of a military Govt. would be fundamentally different from that of a democratic India.
    Therefore, Rakkhi Bahini was created so that India could have authority over Bangladesh. This Rakkhi Bahini was obedient to India and they were run like a parallel army.Brig.Nurruzzaman,the commander of Rakkhi Bahini even asked for issuing of tanks and APCs to them.But Sheikh Mujib did not issue such orders.Thankfully he did not,otherwise we would find ourselves in another civil war within a decade of gaining independence.
    Now this is a clear case of intervening into the internal matters of Bangladesh by an over suspicious regime of Indira Gandhi.
    Coming to the Bangladesh army,there were defected officers from Pakistan army who fought in the Liberation war.Then there were repatriated army officers who were in jails of West Pakistan during the liberation war,and were released in 1973.They were absorbed into the military and constituted half of Bangladesh army.The other half was dominated by former guerilla fighters.The repatriates were denied deserved promotions.Probably because they were not as loyal as the Rakkhi Bahini was to Mujib.The repatriates viewed this as a breach of discipline and threat to the integrity of the military.
    These men were highly trained officers of former Pakistan army.They were trained in British tradition of strict military professionalism. To them the prospect of serving an individual rather than an institution was reprehensible. The officers were engaged in disarming the civilians and taming Mujib's political opponents. Moreover most of them were assigned to functionless jobs as "Officers on special duty".The power of Rakkhi Bahini and it running as a “Parallel army” was indignant to these army officers.
    It was increasingly becoming a hot chamber.But probably neither Sheikh Mujib nor Indira Gandhi noticed it.

    Chapter- 5: Sheikh Mujib era

    Sheikh Mujib was indeed a charismatic leader when it came to leading us to independence. However,he was certainly not the man best suited for the role of Prime minister.
    Corruption, chaotic law and order, nepotism, dictatorship are probably some words to describe his era. Contrary to the wide belief that he was extremely pro-Indian,But here are some facts which shows otherwise.
    1. He was a capitalist,which went against Indian socialism.
    2. He defied Indian warnings and went ahead to form an army.Ironically,it brought his downfall.
    3. He annoyed India by asking Indian troops to leave Bangladesh.
    4. Indian Govt. was further irritated when Mujib ordered for return of Indian civil administrators who were sent to Bangladesh to take over the key positions after the fall of Dhaka on December 16, 1971.
    5. Joined OIC meeting in Lahore in 1974, despite Indian disliking.This was needed very much as Bangladesh was struggling in the Muslim world for recognition,despite the fact that bangadesh had Muslim majority.
    6. At the end of his era,he slowly moved away from his traditional “Jai Bangla” to saying “assalamualaikum”,to the Bangladeshi people who were mainly Muslim.This also proves a point that he often claimed that he was proud of being “Sheikh”.
    7. India feared Sheikh Mujib for one factor.He could turn millions of people against India just by his words.Just like he did it against West Pakistan.That really was an exceptional quality of Sheikh Mujib.

    These and some other facts leads some conspiracy theorists to the belief that India might have ordered the killing of Sheikh Mujib,as he was getting out of control.

    However he took many steps which portrays him as a “Pro-Indian”, but he probably took those steps or were forced to take to liberate Bangladesh with Indian help. Indian Govt. on the other hand saw a chance to divide its archrival in two,and at the same time wanted Bangladesh as puppet state, which would probably be consumed into India in future.So they put forward treaties which suited their purpose. It is believed that after the seven point treaty was signed, Indira Gandhi started preparing for war.

    Now,you might think I am starting the “Akhandya Bharat” theory again,which you feel irrelevant today.But keep in mind,that this was during cold war era.There is no reason to be surprised that India wanted Bangladesh to become one of its states at that time. Indira Gandhi tried her best to keep Bangladesh under her grips but failed miserably after Sheikh Mujib was assassinated.
    The lust for power had gotten so much in Sheikh Mujib,that he forgot his country and his countrymen.That’s why we had famine in 1974,that was created artificially by AL leaders,who were too busy filling their pockets.Terrible handling of the disaster lead to emergency rule.He formed BKSHAL,one party rule abolishing all other parties.From a democratically elected leader,he turned into a dictator.His end was fast approaching now.

    Chapter- 6: Assassination of Sheikh Mujib,coups and counter coups.

    On 15th August 1975, a group of mid ranking army officers did the unthinkable.They assassinated the Father of the Nation,Sheikh Mujib.I must admit,that personally I feel this change was priority for survival of Bangladesh at that time.But the way it was executed is totally shocking and brutal. It was a barbaric act.Except Sheikh Hasina and Sheikh Rehana,everyone of the Mujib family was killed.Including Sheikh Rasel,who was only 10 years old.
    Indira Gandhi probably would have thought of interfering militarily.But due to the internal problems within India,it was not possible.As emergency was declared in India on the same year.Now this was probably blessing in disguise for both the countries.
    Lawrence Lifschultz has alleged that the CIA was involved in the coup and assassination, basing his assumption on the then US ambassador in Dhaka Eugene Booster.Which again was a possibility.

    Then between August 1975 to April 1977,there were a series of coups and counter coups.I will not go in the history of those coups.But the end result was that,Bangladesh was no longer under Indian dominance.

    Chapter-7:CHT insurgents,Kaderia Bahini and India’s Foul play

    Indian Govt.’s despair at keeping Bangladesh under her control became clear when India decided to support Kaderia Bahini to fight the govt. right after Sheikh Mujib was killed.This is totally in contrast to the India-Bangladesh 25 year treaty.As article 9 states that:
    (ix) Each of the contracting parties shall refrain from giving any assistance to any third party taking part in an armed conflict against the other party.
    Kader Siddique and 2000 of his followers,asked India for assistance in their armed resistance against Bangladeshi Govt. India agreed to give them shelter,training and arms.No wonder the treaty was useless.
    Then there was the CHT insurgents who were known as Shanti Bahini.This terrorist outfit is to be blamed for murdering of Bengali settlers in Chittagong and killing army men.Though the word “Shanti” means peace,their way was not of peace.
    According to New York Times and many other international newspapers of that time,India supported the Shanti Bahini.Even Shanti Bahini leaders confessed that.The New York Times reports, Bangladeshi Insurgents Say India Is Supporting Them - The New York Times According to the F.E.E.R. Asia Yearbook 1981;
    “Indian arms and ammunition were sent in substantial quantities on two occasions, in November 1975 and later in March 1977. The fall of Prime Minister Mrs. Indira Gandhi in the 1977 Indian election and the installation of the Janata government meant an end to the arms supplies, . . . with the return to power of Mrs. Gandhi earlier this year [1980], there have been no indications of renewed support for the Bangladesh insurgents.”
    BSF and Kaderia Bahini cadres trained these Shanti Bahini insurgents. Untill 1997,we had insurgency problem which was fuelled by India.Even after surrender of arms,some hardcore extremists among Shanti Bahini are still active and are now involved in drug and gun smuggling and kidnapping.
    Now when all these came to Bangladeshi people’s knowledge,it certainly did not help India-Bangladesh relations.

    Chapter-8:General Ziaur Rahman and re-introduction of Jamat e Islami

    On April 21, 1977,General Ziaur Rahman became Bangladeshi President.He won Bir uttom in 1971 and Hilal-i-jurrat in 1965 war.Surely a man who was not fond of India,and he proved it too.It was during his rule Bangladesh established its relation with the muslim world,and China.It was for the first time Bangladesh took the courage to take its own independent foreign policy since its independence.Military spending was slowly increased.The reason Bangladesh army is in reasonable position today,is because right initiatives were taken at that time to strengthen the army.
    His strong stance against Indian invasion of South Talpatti island and in other matters made him a trouble for Indian govt.As admitted by Indian parliamentarian Mr. Subramaniam. Swamy,provided important insight about RAW's plan to assassinate Ziaur Rahman. He stated in an interview given to the weekly magazine 'Sunday', 'RAW had plotted the assassination of President Ziaur Rahman with approval from Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. Mr. R. N Kao, the RAW Chief and Shankaran Nair, a senior official of RAW had plotted to kill General Ziaur Rahman. The scheme was already at an advanced stage with Ganghi's approval. But the Congress Government fell and Mr. Morarji Desai became Prime Minister. Mr. Desai was appalled to learn about assassination plan. He called halt to the murder plot. The RAW warned the Prime Minister that it was too late to back out now and that many RAW assets would be endangered if the plan was aborted at this stage. However, Desai remained adamant and finally RAW abandoned the assassination'. Mr. Subramaniam Swamy commented, 'Zia continued to rule Bangladesh for many more years. He was assassinated after Indira Gandhi returned to power but Indira said that she was not involved'.
    Unlike his family members who are into Bangladeshi politics now,he abstained from corruption.But he did take some controversial steps.One being the re-introduction of Jamat-e-Islami into Bangladeshi politics again.These were the same men who supported Pakistan during liberation war and participated in war crimes.
    As we found out later on that Jamat propelled its political agenda by selling hate against India.And believe me they do influence people’s mind.No wonder they got back on power,though through coalition,in 2001.
     
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    I am working on the Part 2 of this writing.Which will be dealing with more recent issues such as ganges water treaty,BSF killings,territorial problems and others.

    References:

    1.THE BANGLADESH-INDIA FRIENDSHIP TREATY: A CRITICAL ANALYSIS
    Choudhury M. Shamim

    2.RAW and Bangladesh :: Final ::by Mohammad Zainal Abedin

    3.The India Doctrine by M B I Munshi

    4.Indo-Bangla Relation: A Strategic Analysis by Shah Mohammed Saifuddin

    5.The New York Times

    6.F.E.E.R. Asia Yearbook 1981

    7.Dr. Kalidas Baidya, Bangalir Muktijudhe Antoraler Sheikh Mujib, p:166-167
     
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    man you are degrading indian army and am not happy with it :2guns:
    next almost 3 crore bangaladeshi have settled in india and smuggling is actively going in this border so do u expect bsf to welcome illegal tresspassers?
    illegal intruders along with suspected terrorists?
    just think what is the need for india to support your freedom as it is not going to be beneficial for her
    finally stop bashing indian army other than it i wont have any quarrel with you
     
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    As I said before constructive criticism is welcome.But that was ranting.You have to keep in mind no one is saint.Not our army nor your army.

    And on a friendly advice,I think you need to read more about the benefits that India is still getting with a broken Pakistan.You helped us get freedom and we gave you a broken Pakistan.remember that.
     
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    Thanks for making this sticky.
     
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    man i will be happy if u mention west pakistan army atrocity (killed almost 1 million people) and india intervened as it cannot take no more displaced people from east pakistan as armed forces were raiding and killing in thousands,even usa supported this deadly genocide by ignoring blood telegram from us consulates in dhaka by nixon,compared to this selfish motives of other nations (incl usa) india is much better nation to be as ally
    my opinion:best example is that even in forum you can see level of caring and friendship in indian forum to other country which you can never expect in forum like pakistan,china etc
    leon you continue writing articles so that we can know what is in your mind :bye:
     
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    Leon,
    It is very hurting for the Indians to see the Bangladeshi's to complain about India, Freedom does not come that easily.

    West Pakistan soliders were ordered to Rape as much Bengali women as possible, indirectly telling the East Pakistan that they are not even fit for protecting their women. You can find the number in the net.

    Also West Pakistan is determined to kill all the Bengali Muslims and something like Genocide happened, We stopped that.

    Your citizens poured into India, and we beared that. The number one mistake that Indira Gandhi did was, failing to annex Bangladesh into India. If she had done that, you will not be complaining about us now.

    I am not trolling here, but don't tell that you helped us in seeing a divided Pakistan. We helped you, We helped your women..... Don't be ingratitude to us.
     
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    guys present an objective discussion here and not a purely emotional one. Counter if you want citing articles or books. There has been history between India and Bangladesh. Let's get to know their grieviences.
     
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    ***************** mod ANSWERED THE PROBLEM
    First i will reply to your first chapter,you have said Indian army looted so do you have any source or proof and just imagine if India is returning even weapons to Pakistan as they might have used it for Indian army how can you suspect for taking furnitures,then India returned the captured territories to Pakistan showing it does not have any intention to grab land and also sent 90000 captured soldiers(inc civilians) but India might have used it to bargain with Pakistan to get huge things (even Kashmir) but India never did this so if any one of the above happened you can say India has benefit ?
     
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    Nataranjan,I think you missed that line.In addition I already said,if any one has to believe the looting,he has to base his belief on Rumours and eyewitnesses.No solid proof.Please understand what I wrote before jumping on to conclusion.
     
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    Had I been ingratitude to India,then I would not have been here in first place.I never deny Indian help to Bangladesh during our Independence.
    But I believe that was not because of brotherly love to Bangladesh.But because India had a strategic gain helping Bangladesh.
    And since our interests matched,you helped us getting liberated and we helped you getting a broken Pakistan.

    As you read through later chapters,you will understand why we complain about India.Please take your time and read it.There are more issues yet to be written.I am working on those.

    And about Pakistan army genocide,let's save it for another thread.
     
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    My friend are you a believer of "Akhandya Bharat"?

    Now let me tell you this.the biggest mistake Indira Gandhi did was to try to establish an authority over Bangladesh.Bangladeshi people have always been volatile,at least our history suggests that.

    The main cause of bad relation between India and Bangladesh is because Indian Govt. tried its level best to annex Bangladesh into India.

    Remember this carefully,We fought for freedom from Pakistan,Not to be ruled by India.

    Indira gandhi probably forgot about East Bengal Regiment.During 1965 war,they strapped bombs on their bodies to stop Indian tanks reaching Lahore.They were short of land mines.How did she expect same people will love to be under Indian control?


    Instead of acting as master,had India tried to act as neighbour and a friend,you would see a better relation between the two countries and its people.
     
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    Hi leon, remember me
    Had you learnt you would not have come here. :l_kiss::sarcastic:

    Also you seem to have deleted you byline on the other forum. On the exact same date that HK-47 did. How come.

    Jokes appart.

    Also not the same avtar.......It was better then this one though. Honest.


    Advaita : Good point. More then one hand were involved Indian hands and………..You know even three hands can clap. In fact even more than three…..




    Advaita :
    Did IA not return fast enough because they were looting or did they not return because the 3rd, 4th, 5th hands were having a field day while the country (BD) was in the grip of an economic disaster left behind by retreating Pakistanis and immediately after and during nationalization the famine was so sever that 1.5 million of your countrymen got killed and all the while the 3rd, 4th, 5th hands were busy working against the BD govt and Indian Govt combined initiatives.



    Could I ask you if these issues (misdeeds by IA) have been raised and contested in ICJ, Courts in India, Courts in BD (hope you did) after the Honourable Sheikh died. Hope these eyewitnesses are still alive. BD High Commission should immediately raise these issues with the Justice system in India (international forums would be good for putting pressure on the Indian Govt to back off if they are protecting these rotten looters). I suggest the name of Ms. Teesta (she has good reputation of dealing with matters involving tangential inter-religious rivalry). I am sure on such sensitive matter, many more in Indian Intelligencia will come fwd to help your guys.

    BTW the weapons IA took could they have fallen into 3rd, 4th, 5th hands. You do say something about the easy weapons availability in the gist of Chapter 3 first line. Did these weapons easily available were the ones so manufactured on the machines so seized or were they supplied by Pakistan ……..oooooor am I wrong.

    Also why were the industrial machinery abandoned and by whom and what were these industrial machines making. I hope the machines seized were not the ones manufacturing contraband weapons………. Because the Honourable Seikh did nationalize a lot of capital investment. I wonder what was the capital investment that was nationalized if IA were the occupying force and they were interested in looting.

    BTW quite a lot of refugees stayed back in India (C.R. Park in Delhi, Kolkata…..) I think the 3rd, 4th, 5th hands should return there enterprises also. After all this partition imposed on your citizens was not accompanied by any asset sharing……..oooooor am I wrong.

    Also if I really don’t want to believe in these stories then who should I listen to…… This though could also show why the war crimes should not have gone unaddressed at 1971 itself….. I hope Indian intelligencia understands this now.



    Advaita :

    Obviously, that is why BD people did nothing even after the Honourable Seikh was killed in cold blood with 21 of his family members, youngest being 10 years old.

    About the image, care to explain what was the substance...... Images can become anything. Cant argue with an image.


    Advaita :
    No accounting for taste, is there. Anybody can feel anything. Troll i say. These 3rd, 4th, 5th hands should stop feeling & start thinking.

    Looks like 71 war is still on ….. In that case IA did come out too fast……. Good though I think….. people of the land should decide by vote what should happen to their future… no, oh wait the honourable Seikh was killed and democracy could not be saved …….. courtesy I wonder whom.


    Advaita :
    1) What is the possibility that the honourable Sheikh’s headache was the 3rd, 4th, 5th hands desire to send the democracy under him for a six.
    2) I hope this is not the figure of the loot carried out by the IA….. and if I am right who did it…..what was the role of 3rd, 4th, 5th hands in this.
    3) The figure of 20 mil could be wrong. Last time I heard it was something like 10 mil in India just before the war. During and after the war there was no need for refugees to come to India. Honourable Seikh described (wiki) the fallout of the war as the "biggest human disaster in the world," claiming the deaths of as many as 3 million people and the rape of more than 200,000 women.……..oooooor am I wrong. And in the light of this do care to tell us why later on (Frank, Katherine) the four fundamental principles of "nationalism, secularism, democracy and socialism," which would come to be known as "Mujibism”. Is it that after Mujibda nobody saw these ideals as being of any worth or is it because the 3rd, 4th, 5th hands of Pakistan just hated the man because he defeated them in an open war.



    Advaita :
    Care to tell us what sort of foreign, defense, and economic relations can a country support when it cannot save the Father of the Nation and allows the long list of nobodies to rule with the support of I wonder whom…….Also what did these long list of nobodies do w.r.t. the foreign, defense, and economic relations of BD.



    1) Care to tell us how you and your sources know what these secret treaties were and how they never saw the light of day.

    2) Also Who called the non-secret treaties the “Treaty of Subservience”.





    Advaita :
    1. Indians would obviously come in only after Mukti Bahini people would have been expended. Do want to say these were too few to run BD. Where does that leave your premise that IA took the thunder of MB. Or are you saying that even though there were enough MB fighter to run the country but they were of lesser quality. And if they were of lesser quality then compared to whom. Or are you just raising this point because you are an apologist for 3rd, 4th, 5th hands. BTW I once some muslim scholar perhaps the name was Shahzad Uddin say that Mujibda’s programmes of nationalisation and industrial socialism suffered from lack of trained personnel, inefficiency, rampant corruption and poor leadership. Where you have found people enough to run your country….. Pakistan.
    2. What else do you want. Do you want professional IA soldiers to serve under MB leaders. Care to tell me why would they do that.
    3. Is it not the case that what would have been BD Army would have been populated by MB people who had already started fighting over the spoils. Did the Army later not kill its own Commander in Chief.
    4. If you are already surrounded by India on pretty much all sides and India has helped you gain your independence and was already helping you guys maintain a broken polity, then do tell me what would make better sense – Standing Army with advanced weapons or a Paramilitary that can deal with even hands. Did Indians not have the expertise of running even handed paramilitary (if not then who the hell was preventing large scale riots against muslims in India. What was the problem in taking Indian help. Is it because you already believe/feel (no evidence ….. boy) the suspicion/rumours (unsubstantiated even as per your thesis) that IA was indulging in loot.
    5. What is the problem with open market terms. Did you want Grant in Aid (that your country went to ask from Multilateral agencies) from India. And may I ask why so. Was not India itself a poor country handling the refugee influx that was greater than even the 1947 population exchange.
    6. and 7. points. Is it not obvious that the powers that were hell bent on killing Honourable Sheikh and who eventually succeeded after 5 years could only have been stopped and BD could only have avoided the long list of nobodies (that BD later on got for itself after the ouster of IA by 3rd, 4th, 5th hands + Pakistan) had IA remained there.




    Advaita : I wonder when exactly did India attack BD or even threatened to.



    Advaita :
    Rakkhi Bahini formed as the paramilitary force with Indian help was formed for maintenance of law and order and they failed for the simple reason that 3rd, 4th, 5th hands succeeded in killing of the Honourable Sheikh resulting in the ouster of Indian influence in BD the only true friends the BD people ever had. Period. Indian Intelligence support to this nascent policing setup failed. Period.

    BTW what do you want to prove with the similarity in dresses argument. Dah…..


    Advaita :
    And the coup of all for all members of the forum to see.

    The analyst you say is Indian analyst, is top BNP leader Barrister Moudud Ahmed functioning from Motijheel chamber. The guy is backtracking on virtually everything he once wrote (ref the declaration of independence controversy)

    The very same book mentioned by you also mentions: "Mujib is the greatest phenomenon of our history. His death was not his end. He will continue to remain as a legend in the political life of Bangladesh”. So much for your thesis of Crimes commited by Mujib family. Crimes by Mujibda’s family was only a ruse raised by 3rd, 4th, 5th hands to kill his family and to save there own skin from the War crimes tribunals.

    Barrister Moudud Ahmed has also said referring to invaluable contribution of Sheikh Mujib, he said, "The people had joined movement for independence under the leadership of Bangabandhu."

    Moudud refutes Law Minister's statement on proclamation of independence

    And of course how did you fail to mention that the said book was published in University Press (Dhaka, Bangladesh) in 1983 during the height of Ershad Era. Mr. Ershad supported by West (could it be CIA+BD Army) alongwith BNP and Awami League being the power centers which wheeled and dealed, this way that way any which way without thought to the long term impacts of there wheeling-dealings…… I wonder who financed the successive breakups and odd joinings. Though I am sure you will have a theory here blaming of course India. BD people of course never should bad. Who keep vaccilating so fast between the three power centers that if one were miss the latest political development if one were to blink.

    Now if you care to see reality see this Transparency International branded Bangladesh as the most corrupt country in the world for the first time during the tenure of Awami League (1996 to 2001) and never went off the number one spot till the fall of BNP (2001 to 2006). Prior to this Mujibda’s govt you yourself say was corrupt. The nobodies supported by Army who came later were themselves never above board about anything. Who the hell was even good enough in BD. Hell none. The only guy who could have done anything was killed the first time round and oh when on 15th August 1975 and by whom the Army. And what did the Army give you after that. After all Mujibda was there for how long (just 3-4 years) what about rest of the history.
     
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    Advaita :
    And thanks to the Sheikhs orders, the Army got him killed.

    In a third world country which is until recently a part of Pakistan and has seen no democracy but have seen the money minting machine of Pakistan (the Pakistani Army). You consistently question the wisdom of avoiding Army……Why may I ask. Why are you blind to the fact that Army in such a weak society is the perfect source of uncertainity for the general populace…… Did that not eventually happen after Sheikh’s killing.


    Advaita :

    You guys have no idea the risks India was running under the leadership of Indira Gandhi, to get rid of Pakistan from the East. WW-3 was already on the cards had India not returned the 90000 killers. Both India and BD populace were the biggest beneficiary of this (just look at the conditions in Pakistan today). This is called vision and risk taking ability. That BD populace has consistently shunned by simply behaving like herd of sheep vaccilating between the three power centres.

    It was only save the subcontinent from hindu-muslim competition that Indiraji wanted to keep Sheikh in power and through him to let the BD populace have a chance to reject the Pakistani obscurantism, that you so readily support in the other forum.
    Advaita :

    Aah but the same professional army officers were ok with serving the Dictator of 1965, Ayub Khan. Indiraji knew this and that is why Rakkhi Bahini. Also the failure to protect Sheikh Mujib was due not to the inability of Indians to forsee that Mujib’s killing this was a real possibility but due to the fact that those who wanted to kill him were the people who wanted to keep India on the boil. It was simple case of enemy being stronger or were they supplied by much stronger people (Pakistan+China+US had the best of relations during this period).

    Those who had been part of the Pakistan Army had been highly trained professional even though they had been part of the set up that overthrew there own civil society, but the IA which came from exactly the same set up and never did anything against the civil society of India is a bunch of looters. Good direction you are taking in life…… whatever is left of it.


    Advaita :

    Ok you name some other person suitable to lead BD at that time.

    Sir, Indians only help beat the PA not the rot that was already there. Is it not be your job.




    Advaita :
    Now I think I am wasting my time even replying to you.

    However, just so that Indians can somehow protect themselves from a Bangladeshi gone crazy, who will blame him for his own weaknesses, I think I will continue.

    Ok granted the stupid logic that India could have killed him, what would India have gained by doing so when you yourself say that he did a lot to cooperate with Indians. Which gentleman would we have found to replace him…. Sir this logic fails for the simple reason that those who risked so much and carried such vision as to break up the Chipak combine in the eastern sector could never have acted so stupidly.

    Sir the reality is we failed to protect the Sheikh precisely because someone else (or some such combines) much better at the job of covert killings of Country heads got to him first.
    Pls don’t inject a conspiracy theory where the facts are just so clear.

    Infact believe me we Indians see only Mujibda as someone in BD worth something good. This is well taught in our school systems that are dominated by the very same leftists against whom you posit the honourable Seikh was.
    To us you guys are just a cesspool of corruption and shortsightness. And we only hope against hope that god may give you some good sense.


    Advaita :

    Kindly note the vaccilations in your own thesis. Sometime you are speculating some time you are cocksure, but all the same you finally reach the conclusion that Indians killed Mujibda. Sometime you posit that Mujibda was the best at times you say he was a criminal. Pls make up your mind what would it be this week.

    Such incompetent conspiracy theories. Looks like you guys came out of Pakistan but Pakistan never went out of you.

    Akhand Bharat theory, another one of your week ideas. See we in India (clear majority) are happy that you guys went out of India, that saved us from civil wars.

    Advaita :
    Sir may I suggest that the country has to be run inspite of the existence of these corrupt politicians. We have them too. But we never let 1.5 million of our countrymen die in one single drought and only from that drought. You guys and your 3rd, 4th, 5th hands have to take the credit for that after the Britishers in the subcontinent.

    BTW how do make such jumps. Sometime Mujibda is great other times he is lusting for power and a criminal. And if his family and AL is criminal then how come the lay public still elects the AL after so many years. Or is it that you are an apologist for the 3rd, 4th, 5th hands of your society.

    Advaita :
    Sir you say Indians got Mujibda killed even though he was partial towards Indians. For this theory you have so much support.
    Then you say US got him killed. For this theory you have no theory.
    Why, is the killing more important or your desire to paint India black.
    Also why do you not want to go into the coup and counter coup period. Is it because it points to the presence of more than just the Indians.




    Advaita :

    Why sir why do you fail to let our forum members know that Shanti Bahini had in roots in a political protest that got its roots in Pakistan-Chakma differences and even prior to that in the British-Chakma differences. But while the Britishers tried to solve there problem the Pakistanis slept over it or aggravated it. And BD after its independence and even after the waning of the Indian influence continued sleeping over it and only when things became violent did you guys wake up to the problem. Finally solving it in stages and need I add that Chakma refugees are still there in India. Thanks to the great and professional BD army. The same BD army which could not save its own officers from its own BDR. And I wonder who was financing the BDR to kill the BD Army this time.

    Also why do you forget to tell the forum members why these reports are there only during the Ershad Era and only in US press. Is it because Mr. Ershad was US supported and US had a running fued with USSR during this period in more then one fronts. And knowing this very well you lack the courage to take on US for they would whip your sorry _ _ _. Why do you want to ration the truth. We would like the truth sir.

    The truth sir is that your country is even more corrupt then ours. We at least have institutions to take care of politicians you never had any and the only one who could have helped you achieve it in the long run got killed because of the shortsightedness of your own polity and intelligencia.




    Advaita :

    I think leon this last chapter should have been the first one……how about you.
    3rd, 4th, 5th hands finally revealed.

    Thanks for mentioning the CV of General Ziaur Rahman (shows who is loyal to whom instead of his motherland). Now do you see why BDR was so intent on killing BD Army officers. Where they got there inspiration from.

    Thanks for mentioning the name of Subramaniam. Swamy (this guy is the close friend of Mr. Morarji Desai even by reports of ISI led media). Mr. Swamy has information on everyone and everything. I wonder where he gets so much info. He must be god.

    Thanks for mentioning the name of Mr. Morarji Desai about whom we have something for you( U.S. Journalist Cleared of Libel Charge by Indian - The New York Times)

    So you see by your own thesis it gets indicated, there are bigger powers involved and poor Indians are the scapegoat you found for your own incompetence.



    South Talpatti Islands – Well this really got me. I had to look up the wiki and it seams it is still an open issue with both sides having some claims and Indian claim not being entirely bogus ( South Talpatti Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). But hey leon I think even on this Indian govt will compromise with the BD govt. (it wont be the first border settlement between us. Remember the last time we settled somethings.)
     
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    leon you forgot to mention that india risked in huge proportion as usa sent usn enterprise to bay of bengal(in support of usa) just imagine whoever other than indira wont take this risk but she took it even usa is with pakistan at that time
     
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    No country does anything for any other country out of "brotherly love". Hell, even the NATO countries that are present in Afghanistan along with the US, getting their soldiers killed every day, are not doing it out of "brotherly love", but because the US is the single biggest guarantor of their own security.

    When formulating foreign policy, nations have to be pragmatic. Bangladesh and Pakistan, having been one country in the past, have large sections of their population brainwashed by anti-Indian propaganda. They feel the need to maintain large armies out of proportion to the threats faced by their country because they have an exaggerated threat perception of an Indian attack.

    Pakistan keeps arguing that it cannot shift its army to fight the Taliban because India might attack across the LoC. Never mind the fact that since independence, it has always been Pakistan that has attacked India to start wars, not vice versa. This situation is akin to a thief saying that he is afraid of being robbed by a landlord who he has himself robbed 4 times.

    Pakistan refuses to accept that India is the pre-eminent power in the subcontinent, and that none of the other countries including Pakistan can match her either militarily or economically. Hence the emphasis for being treated "equally" with India. Does Mexico or Canada demand equal status with the US? They have learned and accepted that the US is far stronger in all respects and hence they choose to live in peace and prosperity through trade links rather than in perpetual hostility.

    The other countries of the subcontinent, especially Pakistan, the JeI of Bangladesh and the communists of Nepal need to realise this. No one is asking for them to give up their sovereignty, but at the very least, they should face facts and accept Indian pre-eminence in the subcontinent. After all, though these countries may not accept it, they and their peoples are all offshoots of Indian civilization, just like most of East Asia is an offshoot of Chinese civilization.
     
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    Off course I remember you.

    You did not teach me anything that I should have learnt and not joined this forum.period.You were annoyed by my signature there and I gave you explanation for it.And You seemed to understand it,apparently not.

    I have not deleted my signature there,but added another line to it.But it has a complete history
    altogether.BTW I am currently banned out there,so I have no idea what's happening with my account.

    Ok I will change the avatar,I like that better than this too.Honest.


    Now allow me to thank you for replying so elaborately.





    Let's get to the topic now.


    Now at the very begining of this chapter I mentioned the word "Rumour".That is why I stayed
    ambigious on this issue.I mentioned there was no reports were filed.But yet you are asking me
    whether these issues were contested in ICJ,Indian and BD courts or not.

    Now should I consider that you did not understand what I wrote?

    And thank you for your offer on Indian help.But I don't think this issue will be raised
    anyway.Because it was mainly a rumour,no solid proof is available.Circulated probably by 3rd,4th or 5th hands.

    Are you afraid to mention that these 3rd,4th and 5th hands are actually ISI,CIA and
    razakars(.....ooooor I am wrong)?
    Please don't be.And if you really meant CIA,ISI and razakars then you are absolutely spot on
    that.Neither Pakistan nor US had recognised us back then,and the most logical thing for their part was to create suspicion between the both countries.Which was indeed successful.

    The reason I did not rule out this possibilty of looting by Indian soliders because a freedom
    fighter,who was a social science teacher in my school,had told me that Indian troops took away the arms and also machineries.
    Now is he right or wrong I don't know.Did he witness it himself?May be or may not.That's why I said

    the following:

    Now about Indian army taking back captured arms.Well,it was war booty.They will take it.Nothing much to do about that.That can not be termed as "Loot".
    In a sense we have paid back India,the arms India had provided us to fight our liberation war.

    About availability of arms.The country was battered by war.Arms were available to anyone.Even some opportunistic freedom fighters did not return their arms with which they fought to liberate
    Bangladesh.Instead they used it for outlaw activities.No it was not supplied by Pakistan(they simply did not have that luxary at that time),but it may very well be Pakistani arms captured from dead pakistani soldiers.
    The weapons circulating in the country were not manufactured in Bangladesh as far as I know.We did not have that type of military establishment in Bangladesh then.Correct me If I am wrong.


    Hopefully you are aware of the term "Golden Fibre".East Pakistan produced more than 1/3 of United pakistan's total export,although some say it was 70%.Since Bangladesh was so good at producing jute,there were many jute processing mills.These and many other industrial machineries I am talking about here.Again I am saying,according to my knowledge no such factory existed that were capable of producing illegal arms right after independence.You can prove me wrong by providing appropriate source.

    Yes many refugees stayed back.Mostly they are Hindus,who had relatives in West Bengal.or feared persecution again.

    Sheikh Mujib made a big mistake by giving general amnesty to razakars.Had they been tried,we would have been in better condition today.But look what his daughter did.In an attempt to topple Ershad,she did not hesitate to ride alongside jamat e Islami.Now do you undertsand why I loathe our politicians?

    to be continued......
     
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    You are asking me about substance when the entire chapter says how from Liberators their image slowly turned into occupiers with special thanks to rumours.

    Do you know,when after CIDR USS Enterprise and other US naval assets were based for rescue missions,people started to grow restless after a month passed.People were afraid US built a permanent base in Bangladesh.

    Now with India,it was almost the same case.Indian forces had overstayed in Bangladesh.They went in march 1972.The time was enough to create doubt and suspicion on our people at that time.

    People were becoming restless and so it was becoming a headache for Sheikh Mujib.Natural for any leader of a country.





    Democracy was crushed under the command of Sheikh Mujib himself.His opposition parties were crushed by Rakkhi Bahini and he declared one party rule in the form of BAKSHAL.

    I thought you were aware of those.





    I am really annoyed by your 3rd,4th,5th hand and now 6th hand.Why don't you be clear about it.What's stopping you?Are you scared they will send you letter bomb like Mossad?

    1.I mentioned what was his head ache previously.

    2.The scale of damage was done to bangladesh was indeed $3 billion(1971 rate).
    Bangladesh needed money for reconstruction.And at that time who better than India could have provided it,if not full,at least some.That's what led Bangladesh to the treaty.

    I apologise for not being clear on the article.

    What do you mean by there was no need for refugees to come to India before and after the war?
    Why are they called refugees then?
    Care to elaborate?





    I just can't believe that you just asked this question.Are you Indian?Do you know how Gandhiji died?

    How come then India support so many relations I wonder.

    Logging off for now.To be continued.........
     
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    I gave the source just below the points.

    I hope you know the meaning of subservience.So now just look at points 3 and 7.What does it tell you?

    It is known widely in Bangladesh as treaty of subservience.And looking at some of the points one can understand why.








    1.This point is nonsense.Just because one took part in liberating country does not mean he or she can run the country.The jobs should have been given to those with quality.About Indian administrators working in Bangladesh,well upto certain time period in the short run,they could have worked as foreign workers.But the treaty does not mention the duration.

    2.No argument here.This was the best solution and that's how it was executed.

    3.No.Half of the army were repatriates who were in jails in Pakistan during the war.they were all Pakistan defence forces soldiers.Including Air force Ace Saiful Azam,who became an ace during Arab-Israeli war.
    Then there were freedom fighters,who were in the army and had defected from Pakistan army to join liberation war,like Zia ur Rahman,Khaled Mosharraf and many more.

    Then there were freedom fighters who were from civilian background.

    Bangladeshi defence forces feels proud about the fact that although we did not have much equipment,but we had large number of trained and professional military men right from the beginning.

    4.Are you suggesting that we should not have an army?

    Do you happen to know that we also have another neighbour called Mianmar?With whom so far we had couple of confrontations and skirmishes.Now let us suppose They attack us and we don't have an army.Who would protect us,India?



    What if terrorists tries to take over our country.Do we have to rely on you?

    Then what is the use of getting independence?

    It is the right of every country to field its own army.No other country can decide the fate of our country.no other country can order us whether to have an army or not.It is against the sovereignty of our country.

    What if I ask you why do you field an army?Why don't you follow Gandhiji's way of peace and decide to destroy all your nuclear bombs.
    What would be your reply?As an Indian your reply should be:
    "Its none of your business.This is our matter and you are no one to tell us what to do."

    Now just switch the parties.

    Now this is interesting from today's newspaper.New DG of BDR for the first time said that Foreign enemies got benefited ( The Daily Star - Details News )

    Now you are neither our security analyst nor have any idea about our security concerns.So lindly keep your advice to yourself.


    5.no problem with that.

    6.Had Indian army stayed longer,the average civilians would have started demonstration.No need for 3rd,4th or 5th hand.That's our country.We don't like occupiers.

    7.Why do we have to consult with you to make friends?Who are you anyway?Certainly not our ruler but our neighbour.


    What did I say?
    Does this sound to you India threatened or attacked BD? :rolleyes:




    Rakkhi Bahini failed because they were turned into personal bodyguards of Sheikh Mujib.
    They were used to crush opposition political parties,which were springing at that time.Now don't try to protect Rakkhi bahini,because you will fail miserably.
    Rakkhi bahini indulged into rape,murder,murder in their custody.These are the things that no one can deny in Bangladesh.unless they are blind.

    I wonder why you are trying to project Rakkhi Bahini as something good.They were one of the worst violators of human rights and were used to crush democracy.



    And let me tell you about Sheikh Jamal.He was involved in extortion,raping and other crimes.Now these are firsthand knowledge from my parents and relatives.And off course people of the country knows it.


    Now on this issue I agree I made the mistake of not understanding the part properly,and mixing it up by mistake.Thanks for pointing out the mistake.

    This is the original extract:

    "The admission (probably inadvertent) by an Indian analyst who has attempted to address the question of why the Rakkhi Bahini was regarded as an extension of India’s authority in Bangladesh (even before we were aware of the secretive organization called RAW), finds a clue in the fact that military equipment was supplied to this paramilitary force by India, as per the request of the Bangladesh government and that they also used an identical uniform to that worn by the Border Security Force - all allegations that were originally raised by Moudud Ahmed in his book, ‘Era of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman’ (1983). The Indian writer no where makes a categorical denial of these factual assertions but instead feebly opines, “The service provided by the Indian bureaucrats, at the request of Bangladesh government, was considered as interference and the looting - the ‘spoils of war’ – is a much overstated incident”.

    Here is the online version of the book in BDSDF forum:
    Bangladesh Strategic & Development Forum

    It is mentioned in :
    THE INDIA DOCTRINE
    PART 4

    THE BETRAYAL OF BANGLADESH


    sub division:THE RAKKHI BAHINI AND THE DECLINE INTO DICTATORSHIP
    5th paragraph.

    I have edited it correctly now.





    Have you heard the names of M A G Osmani?Maulana Bhashani?Tajuddin Ahmed?

    Listen there was never a shortage of good leaders at that time.You are talking as if Sheikh Mujib was a GOD.
    Now listen, no one is perfect and neither was he.I would like to throw in something.

    We know 1974 famine was such disastrous because of terrible management and corruption.1.5 million died at that time.And during this time Sheikh Mujib got his son married in the most lavish manner.

    He was a great revolutionery and leader,but a terrible ruler.May be he could have done better had he not trusted Khandakar Mushtaq so much instead of Tajuddin Ahmed.


    Now instead of looking at only one side of the coin,try to look at both sides of the coin.
     

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