India and the UNSC

[Indx TechStyle]

not that great of an offer. just by sitting there permanently would be not all

Read it again.

India offers to temporarily give up veto power

Actually, this is not even initially, India can start doing this from first day of joining council even after saying so!:biggrin2:
How????
There is nothing called literally a "Veto" inside the UNSC rules.
For passing a resolution, you need consensus of minimum number of member countries along with all permanent member countries of security council.
One permanent member rejects6x
No permanent member can give up the veto power because no veto exists actually.

Other countries will just need our permission for a resolution or we could provide umbrella & security to some other at least from legal side till we have this political power.

If India is saying we will give up veto power temporarily actually means we will pass few light resolutions initially without having reviews.

We can discontinue from this policy & reject any resolution at any time as per our interest without being leagally bound in anyway.
P5 countries also know about it very well and won't be taken away with this offer like idiots.

India's permanent membership of UNSC or at least a more powerful permanent political position world (like wavier) is a natural process as India rises & expands it role in global economic, security & Sci-Tech fields.
Others will have to feel our heat if we want to be in UNSC. Can't do it ourselves except keep ramping up to be more & more meaningful country in world.

 

[vinuzap]

how long can they ignore :

population ,GDP , Ancient civilization,world's largest democracy ,military and technical powerhouse along with growing clout

anyway good tactic by G4 :

The G4 countries — India, Japan, Germany and Brazil — on Tuesday asked the United Nations to speed up security council reforms, saying, with ill-concealed frustration, they were willing to discuss anything, even old and rejected ideas, to advance the process.

The G4 nations are four countries which support each other’s bids for permanent seats on the United Nations security council.

Collate all options and place them on the table for all member states to “seriously begin negotiations”, said Indian permanent representative to the UN Syed Akbaruddin in a statement on behalf of the group.

Read: India, G4 nations retiterate ‘unwavering commitment’ to UNSC reforms

“It is time to get started,’ he added, reflecting the group’s combined frustration with a process that has moved with glacial pace. “For our credibility to be sustained, it is time for honest engagement and exchange on the basis of a text.”

The “text” is UN-speak for a formal proposal on paper that member countries can discuss, parse and reject in total or part, and will be a first major step in what has been a slow process and will likely to be one because of lack of unanimity.


India and the other three G4 countries are leading contenders for permanent membership of an expanded UNSC, the world body’s top decision making organ, that will be more representative of the world.

There are others who oppose expanding the permanent membership and have suggested other options, including membership with full veto power of the current permanent members.

Read: High time to reform UN Security Council: Ban Ki-moon

G-4 will not insist on veto for new members, the Indian representative said reiterating -- according to official sources on background -- an old position.

“While the new permanent members would as of principle have the same responsibilities and obligations, as current permanent members they will not exercise the veto until a decision has been taken during a review,” Akbaruddin said.

An Indian diplomat in Delhi said this was an old position, adding, “Basically our focus strategically was on moving the process ahead with a text; rest is all tactical.”

 

[kunal1123]

No change in India’s stance on UNSC veto: Syed Akbaruddin
India is ready to accept a United Nations (UN) permanent Security Council seat without using a veto for the first 15 years, the MEA confirmed here on Thursday.
Answering questions on the stand taken by India’s Ambassador to the UN on Wednesday where he addressed the General Assembly’s Inter Governmental Negotiations on behalf of Brazil, Germany, India and Japan (called the G-4), MEA spokesperson Gopal Baglay said there had been “no change in the government’s position” on securing veto power at the UNSC, but India did not wish to “impede” the process.
In his submission Ambassador Syed Akbaruddin had said that India and other G-4 countries were ready to accept a moratorium on using the veto.
“While the new permanent members would as a principle have the same responsibilities and obligations as current permanent members they shall not exercise the veto until a decision on the matter has been taken during a review [expected after 15 years],” Mr. Akbaruddin said. “The Indian Ambassador’s statement merely stresses that the matter of veto need not be made into something to protract urgently needed reforms of the Security Council,” added Mr. Baglay. According to officials, India is hopeful that the Chairpersons of the Inter-Governmental Negotiations (IGN) will now put out a text recording every country’s views to take the reforms to the next step.
Showing flexibility
“This is one way of keeping the process going, and to show some flexibility on our part,” explained Chinmaya Garekhan, former Indian Ambassador to the UN.
However, Mr. Garekhan said that he doubted India could uphold the moratorium if there were any resolutions at the UNSC that affected India directly.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/no-change-in-indias-stance-on-unsc-veto-syed-akbaruddin/article17437687.ece


15 YEAR MAN THAT LONG TIME 7-10 YEAR IS STILL HIGH BUT CAN BE ACCEPTED

 

[vinuzap]

https://www.pminewyork.org/pages.php?id=1985


India stands solidly committed to assist the UN in the maintenance of international peace and security with a proud history of UN peacekeeping dating back to its inception in the 1950s. India has contributed nearly 180,000 troops, the largest number from any country, participated in more than 44 missions and 156 Indian peacekeepers have made the supreme sacrifice while serving in UN missions. India has also provided and continues to provide eminent Force Commanders for UN Missions.



In 2014 India is the second largest troop contributor [TCC] with 8,123 personnel deployed with 12 UN Peacekeeping Missions of which 991 are police personnel, including the first Female Formed Police Unit under the UN. The high standards of performance maintained consistently by the Indian troops and policemen deployed on UN Missions under challenging circumstances have won them high regard worldwide .



India is of the view that the international community must grasp the rapid changes that are underway in the nature and role of contemporary peacekeeping operations. The Security Council’s mandates to UN peacekeeping operations need to be rooted in ground realities and correlated with the resources provided for the peacekeeping operation. It is critical that troop and police contributing countries should be fully involved at all stages and in all aspects of mission planning.There should be greater financial and Human Resources for peace building in post conflict societies where UNPKO’s have been mandated.


India’s unique combination of being the largest democracy in the world with a strong tradition of respect for rule of law and the successful experience in nation building makes it particularly relevant in the context of twenty-first century peacebuilding. India was reappointed to the Organizational Committee of the Peacebuilding Commission (PBC) in December 2010, for a third 2-year term. India is strongly supportive of nationally-led plans for peace consolidation, while arguing for a constructive approach and a ‘lighter touch’ by the PBC in extending advice, support and in extending its involvement. India has also been contributing to the UN Peacebuilding Fund.



INDIA’s CONTRIBUTION TO UN PEACEKEEPING MISSIONS





General Information

1. Since 1948, UN Peacekeepers have undertaken 68 Field missions. As on today there are approximately 97,729 personnel serving on 16 peace operations led by UNDPKO, in four continents. This represents a nine fold increase since 1999. A total of 120 countries have contributed military and police personnel to UN peacekeeping. Currently more than 83,936 of those serving are troops and military observers and about 11,929 are police personnel.

Indian Contribution

2. India has been the largest troop contributor to UN missions since inception. So far India has taken part in 44 Peacekeeping missions with a total contribution exceeding 1,80,000 troops and a significant number of police personnel having been deployed.

3. India has so far, provided one Military Advisor (Lt Gen R K Mehta), one Police Adviser (Ms Kiran Bedi), one Deputy Military Adviser (Lt Gen Abhijit Guha), 14 Force Commanders and numerous Police Commissioners in various UN Missions. Indian Army has also contributed lady officers as Military Observers and Staff Officers apart from them forming part of Medical Units being deployed in UN Missions. The first all women contingent in peacekeeping mission, a Formed Police Unit from India, was deployed in 2007 to the UN Operation in Liberia(UNMIL).

4. Many gallant Indian soldiers have laid their life to bring peace and harmony to the world. While serving under the blue flag, 156 Indian soldiers have, so far made the supreme sacrifice.

5. Past Missions: The following have been the missions in which India has contributed since 1950.

(a) Korea(1950-54): Paramedical Unit comprising 17 officers, 9 JCOs and 300 other ranks was deployed to facilitate withdrawal of sick and wounded in Korea. Lt Gen K S Thimmaya was appointed as the Chairman of the Neutral Nations Repatriation Commission (NNRC) set up by UN. India also provided a custodian force under Maj Gen SPP Thorat comprising 231 officers, 203 JCOs and 5696 other ranks.

(b) Indo-China(1954-70): India provided an Infantry Battalion and supporting staff for control of Indo-China comprising three states of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. Tasks included monitoring, ceasefire and repatriation of prisoners of war, among others. A total of 970 officers, 140 JCOs and 6157 other ranks were provided during the period from 1954- 1970.

(c) Middle East (1956-67): United Nations Emergency Force(UNEF), where for first time armed troop contingents were deployed. India’s contribution was an infantry battalion and other support elements. Over a period of 11 years, 393 officers, 409 JCOs and 12383 other ranks took part in the operations.

(d) Congo(1960-64)(ONUC): Two infantry Brigades comprising of 467 officers, 401 JCOs and 11354 participated and conducted operations. A flight of six Canberra bomber aircraft of the IAF also participated in ops. 39

personnel of the Indian contingent laid down their lives. Capt GS Salaria was awarded posthumously the Paramvir Chakra for action in Katanga, Southern Congo.

(e) Cambodia(1992-1993) (UNTAC): Was set up to supervise ceasefire, disarm combatants, repatriate refugees and monitor conduct of free and fair elections. A total of 1373 all ranks participated from Indian Army.

(f) Mozambique(1992-94) (ONUMOZ): Two Engineer companies HQ company, logistics company, staff officers and military observers were provided. In all 1083 all ranks participated.

(g) Somalia(1993-94) (UNITAF & UNOSOM II): The Indian Navy and Indian Army took active part in UN Operations. Indian Army deployed a Brigade Group comprising of 5000 all ranks and the navy deployed four battleships.

(h) Rwanda(1994-96) (UNAMIR): An Infantry Battalion group, a signal company, and engineer company, staff officers and Military Observers were provided. Total of 956 all ranks took part.

(i) Angola(1989-1999) (UNAVEM): Besides providing a Deputy Force Commander, an Infantry Battalion group and an engineer company comprising a total of 1014 all ranks. India contributed 10 MILOBS for UNAVEM-1, 25 for UNAVEM-II And 20 MILOBS, 37 SOs, and 30 Senior NCOs for UNAVEM-III.

(j) Sierra Leone(1999-2001) (UNAMSIL): Two Infantry Battalion groups, two engineer companies, Quick reaction company, Attack helicopter unit, medical unit and Logistic support in addition to sector HQ and Force Headquarters staff.

(k) Ethiopia-Eritrea (2006-08) (UNMEE): Indian contribution comprised one infantry battalion group, one construction engineer company and one force reserve company, apart from staffing at various HQs and MILOBs.

6. Current Missions- Indian Contribution: The Indian Armed Forces are presently undertaking the following UN Missions (Out of total 15 Missions currently underway)

(a) Lebanon (UNIFIL) (Since Dec 1998): One infantry battalion group, and Level II Hospital comprising 650 all ranks and 23 staff officers, till date. The current situation in the Mission is tense and volatile due to the crises in Syria.

(b)Congo(MONUC/ MONUSCO) (Since January 2005): Extended Chapter VII mandate. Augmented Infantry Brigade Group (four infantry battalions) with level III Hospital. Army aviation contingent with utility helicopters. A large number of MILOBs & SOs have also been contributed. In addition two Formed Police Units (FPU) ex BSF and ITBP have also been deployed since 2009. Lt Gen Chander Prakash of India , was, till recently the Force Commander in MONUSCO. MONUSCO’s new mandate vide Resolution 2098 (2013) has been implemented with an Intervention Brigade provided by AU, deployed under UN Command. The FARDC along with the support of MONUSCO were able to destroy the M-23 Rebel Group, however the situation continues to be volatile and uncertain due to the presence of other armed groups.



(c) Sudan(UNMIS/UNMISS) (Since April 2005): Two Infantry Battalion groups, sector HQ, Engineer company, signal company, Level-II Hospital and large number of MILOBS and SOs. We had a Deputy Force Commander (Brig Asit Mistry) and recently a Deputy Police Commissioner (Mr Sanjay Kundu) there. The latest political developments in the Mission led to widespread inter-tribe violence and large displacement of locals. In the ensuing intra state conflict two Indian Peacekeepers lost their lives while ensuring Protection of Civilians. The current situation continues to be highly volatile and sporadic clashes between the tribes are being reported regularly.

(d) Golan Heights (UNDOF) (Since February 2006): A Logistics battalion with 190 personnel has been deployed to look after the logistics security of UNDOF. Maj Gen IS Singha is the Force Commander since July 2012. Current crisis due to Syrian conflict has impacted the mission and exchange of fire between the Syrian Forces and the armed groups have put the Peacekeepers in grave danger.

(e) Ivory Coast(UNOCI) (Since April 2004): The mission is supported by Indian SOs and MILOBs since inception.

(f) Haiti (MINUSTAH) (Since December 1997): Apart from three Indian FPUs there, i.e from CISF, CRPF and Assam Rifles, which have been hugely successful, the mission has been supported by Indian Army staff officers since inception.

(g) Liberia (UNMIL) (Since April 2007): India has been contributing both male and female FPUs ex CRPF / RAF in Liberia. The Female FPU has especially become a inspiration for the women of the host nation and have become trendsetters for other such female FPUs across the Globe. Till recently, Mr Gautam Sawang of India was the Police Commissioner there.

Roll of Honour

7. Indian Army in UN Missions: So far the following gallantry awards have been won by our gallant soldiers in UN Missions:









• Param Vir Chakra 01 • Mahavir Chakra 06
• Kirti Chakra 02
• Vir Chakra 20
• Shaurya Chakra 09
• Yudh Seva Medal 04
• Sena Medal 32

Capt Gurbachan Singh Salaria,PVC

 

[Pushyamitra]

UNSC without Veto is like Banana without peel.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

UNSC without Veto is like Banana without peel.

For few years only.................

 

[Trinetra]

China responds cautiously to G4 nations' offer to give up veto

BEIJING: China on Tuesday called for a "package solution" accommodating "concerns and interests" of all parties to reform the UN Security Council after India along with other G4 nations offered to initially forgo veto powers to secure a permanent seat on the world body's top organ.

In a guarded reaction to the G4 countries' offer, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said China supports UN Security Council (UNSC) reform and maintains that developing countries should have more representation and voice.

"Security Council reform concerns issues like membership categories, regional representation, veto power," Hua said in a written response to PTI.

She was responding to a question related to a joint statement delivered by India's Permanent Representative to the UN Syed Akbaruddin on March 7 at an inter-governmental negotiations meeting of the G4 nations -- India, Brazil, Germany and Japan.

These issues "can only be addressed by reaching a package solution that accommodates all parties' interests and concerns through broad-based democratic consultations," Hua said.

Pakistan, a close ally of China, opposes any additional permanent members. Italy/Pakistan-led Uniting for Consensus (UfC) group has proposed a new category of members -- not permanent -- with longer duration and a possibility to get re-elected once.

China is part of the veto-wielding permanent five members which also include the US, Russia, France and the UK.

On March 7, the G4 members in a bid to get the UN reform process moving said they were open to innovative ideas and willing to forgo veto power as permanent members of a reformed Security Council until a decision on it has been taken.

The G4 joint statement emphasised that an overwhelming majority of the UN member states supports the expansion of both permanent and non-permanent membership in a reformed Security Council.

As India pushed hard for the reform of the UNSC in the last few years staking its claim for the permanent membership, China struck an ambivalent stand saying that it understands New Delhi's aspiration to play a bigger role in the UN.


Other four permanent members -- the UK, the US, France and Russia -- backed India's quest to become a permanent member.

On the issue of the veto, Akbaruddin said the question of veto has been addressed by many from differing perspectives but the G4 approach is that the problem of veto is not one of quantity (of extending it immediately to new permanent members) but of quality -- of introducing restrictions.

The bloc had warned that the issue of veto was important but member states should not allow it to have a "veto over the process of Council reform itself."

While the new permanent members would in principle have veto powers that the current five have, Akbaruddin had said, "they shall not exercise the veto until a decision on the matter has been taken during a review".

 

[Compersion]

We ought get the same status to PRC and we ought to do it more assertively. The UNGA vote is necessary and for that we are the one and only capable candidate. There is no candidate that comes close. We also ought to be going for a NPT status same like PRC.

Frankly seems the NSG membership is first on menu. What's up with that ... ??

This suggestion that we are going slow does assume we are not having much support which is far away from truth. We have support !! We have to be more assertive and ruffle the bag and shake the system. We already do it for many other areas

 

[Armand2REP]

India can take Chinese spot, they don't pay their dues.

 

[kunal1123]

hindustantimes.com
US says India shouldn’t insist on veto reforms if it wants UNSC seat | world-news
3-4 minutes


US ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said on Tuesday that America was open to UN reforms to expand the permanent membership of the security council but the key for India to get there would be to “not touch” the issue of veto power that current members are neither willing to share nor give up.

Haley also referred to President Donald Trump’s new South Asia policy and his “tougher approach” towards Pakistan.

“We cannot tolerate its government (Pakistan’s) or any other government giving safe haven to terrorists,” she said, reiterating Trump’s call for India to do more in Afghanistan.

But the UN reforms, Haley said at a discussion hosted by the advocacy group India-US Friendship Council, “is much more about the veto”. The permanent-five who have veto — the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Russia and China — “none of them wants to give that up”.

Read more

The “key to getting India on the Security Council would have to be not touch the veto”, Haley, an Indian American, added, in a rare public discussion of the American position on India’s claim to a permanent UNSC seat, which was first endorsed by former president Barack Obama in a visit to India in 2010.

India has staked a claim to a permanent seat on a reformed UN security council, with all the same powers but along with other members of the G-4 pressure group — Germany, Japan and Brazil — has backed deferred and phased rollout of the veto power, after a transition period of 15 years.

The Trump administration reiterated US support for India during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit last June. Vice-president Mike Pence chipped in with his support in a speech to a trade body the next day. And, now the US ambassador to UN, which was the first for her, according to India watchers.

But India has been disappointed by the slow pace of the movement on the issue at the United Nations, as conveyed by officials at the recent UN general assembly meetings, in the context of secretarial and bureaucratic reforms by its leadership and embraced by Trump.

The US was not opposed to the reforms, Haley said in response to a question. Russia and China were.

While Russia has backed India’s claim, it has not been enthusiastic about reforms generally, not taking a position on any of the other claimants. China is the only permanent member not to back India but it has not backed any other country either. Diplomats concede the two countries together did indeed not seem open to reforms.

On the issue of the veto, the US and UK don’t want to let go of it or share it, only France has said it was open to it. Russia remained ambivalent given its support only for India and China hasn’t even gotten past the first block to even begin to consider the question of sharing or giving up the veto.

 

[IndianHawk]

hindustantimes.com
US says India shouldn’t insist on veto reforms if it wants UNSC seat | world-news
3-4 minutes


US ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said on Tuesday that America was open to UN reforms to expand the permanent membership of the security council but the key for India to get there would be to “not touch” the issue of veto power that current members are neither willing to share nor give up.

Haley also referred to President Donald Trump’s new South Asia policy and his “tougher approach” towards Pakistan.

“We cannot tolerate its government (Pakistan’s) or any other government giving safe haven to terrorists,” she said, reiterating Trump’s call for India to do more in Afghanistan.

But the UN reforms, Haley said at a discussion hosted by the advocacy group India-US Friendship Council, “is much more about the veto”. The permanent-five who have veto — the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Russia and China — “none of them wants to give that up”.

Read more

The “key to getting India on the Security Council would have to be not touch the veto”, Haley, an Indian American, added, in a rare public discussion of the American position on India’s claim to a permanent UNSC seat, which was first endorsed by former president Barack Obama in a visit to India in 2010.

India has staked a claim to a permanent seat on a reformed UN security council, with all the same powers but along with other members of the G-4 pressure group — Germany, Japan and Brazil — has backed deferred and phased rollout of the veto power, after a transition period of 15 years.

The Trump administration reiterated US support for India during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit last June. Vice-president Mike Pence chipped in with his support in a speech to a trade body the next day. And, now the US ambassador to UN, which was the first for her, according to India watchers.

But India has been disappointed by the slow pace of the movement on the issue at the United Nations, as conveyed by officials at the recent UN general assembly meetings, in the context of secretarial and bureaucratic reforms by its leadership and embraced by Trump.

The US was not opposed to the reforms, Haley said in response to a question. Russia and China were.

While Russia has backed India’s claim, it has not been enthusiastic about reforms generally, not taking a position on any of the other claimants. China is the only permanent member not to back India but it has not backed any other country either. Diplomats concede the two countries together did indeed not seem open to reforms.

On the issue of the veto, the US and UK don’t want to let go of it or share it, only France has said it was open to it. Russia remained ambivalent given its support only for India and China hasn’t even gotten past the first block to even begin to consider the question of sharing or giving up the veto.

UNSC seat without veto means a man without a dick. India should simply boycott UNSC and undermine all it's useless resolution untill these morons learn that the world has changed.

 

[F-14B]

US says India shouldn’t insist on veto reforms

Uncle sam should just Fuck off with this offer

 

[no smoking]

India should simply boycott UNSC and undermine all it's useless resolution untill these morons learn that the world has changed.

The only way India can teach "these morons" this lesson is quite the UN. Please don't hesitate.

 

[Rahul Prakash]

The only way India can teach "these morons" this lesson is quite the UN. Please don't hesitate.

Maybe you should quit yapping.

 

[Kay]

hindustantimes.com
US says India shouldn’t insist on veto reforms if it wants UNSC seat | world-news
3-4 minutes


US ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said on Tuesday that America was open to UN reforms to expand the permanent membership of the security council but the key for India to get there would be to “not touch” the issue of veto power that current members are neither willing to share nor give up.

Haley also referred to President Donald Trump’s new South Asia policy and his “tougher approach” towards Pakistan.

“We cannot tolerate its government (Pakistan’s) or any other government giving safe haven to terrorists,” she said, reiterating Trump’s call for India to do more in Afghanistan.

But the UN reforms, Haley said at a discussion hosted by the advocacy group India-US Friendship Council, “is much more about the veto”. The permanent-five who have veto — the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Russia and China — “none of them wants to give that up”.

Read more

The “key to getting India on the Security Council would have to be not touch the veto”, Haley, an Indian American, added, in a rare public discussion of the American position on India’s claim to a permanent UNSC seat, which was first endorsed by former president Barack Obama in a visit to India in 2010.

India has staked a claim to a permanent seat on a reformed UN security council, with all the same powers but along with other members of the G-4 pressure group — Germany, Japan and Brazil — has backed deferred and phased rollout of the veto power, after a transition period of 15 years.

The Trump administration reiterated US support for India during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit last June. Vice-president Mike Pence chipped in with his support in a speech to a trade body the next day. And, now the US ambassador to UN, which was the first for her, according to India watchers.

But India has been disappointed by the slow pace of the movement on the issue at the United Nations, as conveyed by officials at the recent UN general assembly meetings, in the context of secretarial and bureaucratic reforms by its leadership and embraced by Trump.

The US was not opposed to the reforms, Haley said in response to a question. Russia and China were.

While Russia has backed India’s claim, it has not been enthusiastic about reforms generally, not taking a position on any of the other claimants. China is the only permanent member not to back India but it has not backed any other country either. Diplomats concede the two countries together did indeed not seem open to reforms.

On the issue of the veto, the US and UK don’t want to let go of it or share it, only France has said it was open to it. Russia remained ambivalent given its support only for India and China hasn’t even gotten past the first block to even begin to consider the question of sharing or giving up the veto.

We should take this offer and work towards getting veto and sooner or later we will get it.

 

[IndiaRising]

thank chacha nehru for having larger heart and giving India's spot to China

 

[IndianHawk]

The only way India can teach "these morons" this lesson is quite the UN. Please don't hesitate.

Or India can keep undermining UNSC resolution and thus proving how it's pussy member china can't enforce them

 

[F-14B]

there is no need for the esteemed members from the Peoples republic of China to get to heady

kindly go trough the following https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China...of_China_in_the_UN_.281971.E2.80.93present.29

 

[no smoking]

Or India can keep undermining UNSC resolution and thus proving how it's pussy member china can't enforce them

Oh, please, what are you waiting for? The funny thing is: India is begging to be such a pussy member. Is it your Modi stupid or you are?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Oh, please, what are you waiting for? The funny thing is: India is begging to be such a pussy member. Is it your Modi stupid or you are?

This [redacted] many of its resolutions in front of your eyes. What ya did yourself except hiding behind this org like pussy?
From targeting arsenals of specific countries to even the lows defending terrorists.