India and the UNSC

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  1. Indx TechStyle

    Indx TechStyle Perfaarmance Naarmal Senior Member

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    Starting this thread to track developments over India's candidacy for a permanent seat of UNSC or at least a more influential position, and to tell my friend why India deserves a permanent seat, to make real world work properly.
    UNSC must get new members watching how power has shifted since WW2 and India is definitely in top of the league of those new candidates.
     
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    India as of now represents nearly 17% population of world and one out of every six people is an Indian, living in a country with 7th largest area.
    India is moreover third largest contributor to United Nation's peacekeeping missions.

    For military, India possesses fifth largest Navy (in terms of total displacement), fourth largest Air Force and Third largest army in the world. India has world's sixth largest defense budget.
    India became the first country to do a nuclear test in 1974 after signing of CTBT in 1967 which restricted any country from possessing nuclear weapons except permanent members of UNSC. So, India actually thrashed a useless law to create monopoly of few countries.:india2:
    A group NSG was formed for nuclear trade to deprive India but the same country got the waivers for nuclear trade in 2008 from NSG and then, got support of all members (except one) to get the membership of the same group.:biggrin2:
    Just after P5, India became sixth country to make ballistic missile nuclear submarines, fifth nation to build a 40,000 tonnes aircraft carrier, sixth nation to possess an ICBM.
    Moreover, India has further plans to build 9 more nuclear subs(3 more Arihant and 6 follow on), a supercarrier possibly nuclear carrier, a 10000km range ICBM(Agni 6), hypersonic vehicles(HSTDV and BrahMos 2), fifth generation fighters.

    India is also going to induct laser weapons systems in next 10 years.
    In 1998, India attempted to explode a thermonuclear device. Though only partial success, India has got way more expertise in nuclear tech through civilian sector.
    India is still beefing up it's military capabilities fast.
    India's defense exports have been doubled from $150 millions to $330 millions last year and is targeted for $2 billions by 2017.
    If succeeded, India will not only be one of the largest exporters of weapons, but will itself be fulfilling it's 70% military requirements from homegrown sources in 4-5 years.


    Economically, India is world's 7th largest economy in Nominal and 3rd largest economy in terms PPP GDP.
    With a growth rate of 7.9% in last quarter, India retained it's tag of fastest growing large in the world and is likely to become 3rd largest economy in terms of Nominal GDP before 2030. Given a large economy, it will undoubtedly have a larger defense budget.
     
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    India hits out at functioning of UNSC's sanctions committees
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    China is the elephant in the room. They will do their darnedest to veto India's entry as a permanent member of the UNSC. They need to be kicked out seeing their outrageous behavior in the South China Sea and their attitude to the various conventions and laws. Instead of setting an example of how a matured nation should conduct itself more so being a permanent of the SC, they're behaving like a banana republic gone berserk.

    China should be thrown out and India should take its place, though that is easier said than done!!
     
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    India has one of the largest Space Agencies and one of the most active space program in the world.
    India has successfully launched an orbiter to Moon in 2008 making it sixth Nation/Supernational Body to do so, conducted a controlled impact on surface of Moon and successfully launched an orbiter to Mars in 2013(placed in orbit in 2014), making it 4th Nation/Supernational Body to do so.
    India placed record 20 satellites in a single launch in orbit in July 2016 making it to launch 3rd highest number of satellites after United States and Russian Federation(People's Republic of China has same number).
    To further strengthen bid, India is going to double it's payload capacity by end of 2016 and double/triple it's launch frequency in few years.
    India launched a dedicated observatory called Astrosat in September and 2015 and is going to place a Solar Observatory called Aditya on Lagrangian Point 1 in 2019 to study sun.
    India is further landing a rover on Moon in 2017 and on Mars in 2020.
    India is going to conduct it's third and fourth Lunar Missions in next decade which could be nuclear powered. India is going to send humans in space by 2021 and studying missions to Venus and Jupiter. India is further developing a new generation of launchers called ULV to replace current fleet and studying heavy lift launch vehicles(and possibly super heavy for a long term). India's CartoSat-2C has a resolution of 0.6 m and is going introduce a new series GISAT in 2017 or 18.
    In field of Science and tech, India is setting up a neutrino detector called INO which will boast of world's largest magnet (nearly 4 times bigger than magnet in CERN).
    India ranked 13th in world science ranking for publishing nature articles and ranked 11th in USTPO patents 2015 by filing 3400+ patents.
    Even after taking ratio of population, it's too high for a third world country.
    India has Asia's largest telescope in Nainital and is collaborating for a giant 30 meter telescope with United States, Russian Federation, People's Republic of China and Japan. India has one of the fastest growing medical tourism industry in the world.
    India is also collaborating with United States for developing an alternative for nuclear energy by names of PIP-2(from US) / HISPA(from India).
     
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    Among the G4,
    India has support of highest number of countries.
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    Countries that explicitly and openly support India for UNSC permanent seat.
    India

    Support by UN Members (includes support by African Union members)

    Conditional support (China)

    Support by UN Observers (African Union)

    India's bid for a permanent seat UNSC has been supported by:
    1. Armenia
    2. Australia
    3. Bahamas
    4. Bangladesh
    5. Belarus
    6. Belgium
    7. Belize
    8. Benin
    9. Bolivia
    10. Brunei
    11. Bulgaria
    12. Cambodia
    13. Chile
    14. Cuba
    15. Croatia
    16. Cyprus
    17. Czech Republic
    18. Denmark
    19. Dominican Republic
    20. Ethiopia
    21. Finland
    22. Ghana
    23. Guyana
    24. Hungary
    25. Iceland
    26. Israel
    27. Jamaica
    28. Laos
    29. Lesotho
    30. Liberia
    31. Libya
    32. Kazakhstan
    33. Kyrgyzstan
    34. Malawi
    35. Malaysia
    36. Maldives
    37. Micronesia
    38. Mongolia
    39. Morocco
    40. Myanmar
    41. Nigeria Norway
    42. Oman
    43. Palau
    44. Peru
    45. Poland
    46. Portugal
    47. Romania
    48. Rwanda
    49. Qatar
    50. Senegal
    51. Singapore
    52. Slovakia
    53. Suriname
    54. Swaziland
    55. Sweden
    56. Syria
    57. Tajikistan
    58. Tanzania
    59. Trinidad and Tobago
    60. Tuvalu
    61. Ukraine
    62. UAE
    63. Uzbekistan
    64. Vietnam
    65. Zambia
    As a G4 member, we have support of Brazil, Germany and Japan also.
    African Union as whole supernational body supports our bid.
    Such a huge support but Martian says world doesn't recognize us as a great power.:p
    More pathetic are Indians who call it a wet dream.
    4 out of 5 members convinced to support India (two of them backstabbed).

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...pose-un-security-council-reform-talks-2113561
    So, as I told before, we have support of most of nations plus we are only emerging up.
    Either we'll be a member or UNSC will become irrevalent.:D
     
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    Well, I created this thread to counter Martian's thread
    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...ouncil-permanent-veto-constrains-china.76947/
    I know, better title could be
    Why India deserves a Permanent Seat in United Nations Security Council
    But as of my nature, I am using this one thread to collect all info about affairs related to India and UNSC and updates of India's UNSC bid instead of creating new topics for everything.
    And I've even started in my post no. 1188891.:p
    This gonna be a little complex.
    If they would have simply written that
    Any permanent UNSC member can veto any resolution.
    We could do a campaign with other countries to abandon it.
    But it is written as:
    For passing a resolution, support of a sanctioned numbers of non UNSC members country and all permanent UNSC members is necessary.
    You can clearly see, they didn't even use word "Veto".:facepalm:
    Well, even if veto power is struck, even then, it is positive for India.
    We may not be getting veto power but we can compete equally on international politics in that case. Our diplomacy will decide that where do we stand against US, Russia or PRC and not their veto power.

    What do you guys think?
    @AnantS @LETHALFORCE @Kyubi
     
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    OT: Well @Indx TechStyle There is some interesting development in Nepal and India. Three Cheeni Xinhua joulnalist(to make its easier for cheecheebots) have been expelled and Xinhua is reportedly lobbying to get them reprieve. They have been expelled for actvities beyond their brief(read Nepal). And in neighboring Nepal, Oli has also been dethroned. Thats a double whammy for China. Kindly do the honor of opening a new thread on the same, lets track the developments there. ;)
     
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    India's Security Council permanent seat hope receives setback
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    UNGA President-elect to discuss UNSC reforms with Indian leadership
    Combating terrorism and implementation of the ambitious Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) will also be high on the agenda of these meetings.
    BY: ANI | NEW DELHI |Published On:August 28, 2016 10:53 AM
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    Well, no matter what you say, Chinese is sitting inside the room while Indian is the one knocking the door.
     
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    India’s UNSC bid complicated, will take time: US
    US Secretary of State John Kerry on Wednesday said the process of India’s UNSC bid is complicated and it will take time.
    BY: ANI | NEW DELHI |Published On:August 31, 2016 5:33 PM
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    India, G4 partners reaffirm 'unwavering commitment' to UNSC reforms
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    (L-R) Chancellor José Serra, Finance Minister of Brazil; MOS for Foreign Affairs, MJ Akbar; Fumio Kishida, Finance Minister of Japan and Frank-Walter Steinmeier, Finance Minister of Germany at G-4 meeting in New York on Wednesday. (PTI Photo)
     
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    Must be noted that ever since MJ Akbar became MoS Foreign ministry, speeches have been eloquent. Earlier syed Akbaruddin also did a fine job.
     
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    India’s alliance with Japan for UNSC hampering its chances
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    A file photo of UNSC | AP
     
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    Pakistan opposes creation of new permanent seats at UN Security Council




    Saley apni seat ke liye apply toh karte nahin, hamari membership se hamesha problem. Be it NSG or UNSC. Clearly visible, who's obsessed with whom.:facepalm:
     
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    Well nobody listen their Bullshit.
    But it's logical for small countries to support more non permanent seats as that will provide them with more chances to get elected.

    We will have to undermine UNSC to the point that they either get us in or dismantle it all together :devil:
     
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    India slams UNSC for taking months to consider Masood Azhar issue[​IMG]
     
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    Many U.N. member states back India’s bid for permanent seat
    [​IMG]U.K.’s Permanent Representative to the U.N. Ambassador Matthew Rycroft had at the November 7 session of the world body said that Britain believed in a modest expansion in the permanent and non-permanent categories, making a case for India alongside Brazil, Germany and Japan. He also favoured permanent African representation. | REUTERS
    Supporters include U.K., France; overwhelming sense that UNSC must reflect emergence of new global powers.


    Ditto with Brazil, Germany, Japan

    May discussed it with Modi

    ‘No veto for mass atrocities’

    Akbaruddin slams Council
     
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