India and the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO)

[redragon]

And we all know Russia is a founder of SCO, so can I translate the news into Russian is supporting Taliban some how, maybe providing weapons, otherwise why they are asking SCO for help? By using this logic, do I sound like a "Pro" or "expert"? LOL

 

[tarunraju]

Russians don't have to sell Chinese weapons to the insurgents. They have their own piles of AK-47s, etc.

And to talk about Chinese involvement in insurgency, one doesn't not have to officiate the Chinese providing arms. Those are Chinese arms, and every government that's not running a failed state, knows who is making weapons in its country, and where exactly are those weapons going.

 

[redragon]

Russians don't have to sell Chinese weapons to the insurgents. They have their own piles of AK-47s, etc.

And to talk about Chinese involvement in insurgency, one doesn't not have to officiate the Chinese providing arms. Those are Chinese arms, and every government that's not running a failed state, knows who is making weapons in its country, and where exactly are those weapons going.

So the conclusion can be either those governments either know China is not providing weapons to Taliban or they are hiding the truth from us, the people, for 2 possible reason: They want to control people or brainwash people or they are too afraid of China to release the truth, either reason against the principals of democracy and freedom

 

[tarunraju]

So the conclusion can be either those governments either know China is not providing weapons to Taliban or they are hiding the truth from us, the people, for 2 possible reason: They want to control people or brainwash people or they are too afraid of China to release the truth, either reason against the principals of democracy and freedom

That's twisted logic. Other governments (which have no business with Afghanistan), don't have to make their allegations public. Everything is talked about in the back-channels, while the media makes its cut selling stories about everything murky it finds in the process. India never "officially™" claimed Chinese covert involvement in its north-east, though it's common knowledge that anti-state elements there get their munitions from Chinese (even if not "by" China).

 

[redragon]

ok, fine, let me drop my arguement. Yes, China is providing weapon to Taliban, because by saying it only will make it true

 

[Vladimir79]

Is Jane a country? what authority it has, what credit it has over some many countries? not a single government saying China providing weapon to Taliban, and you are here to spread the lies, hatred and BS, are these so called qualities of "Pro"? give me a break

Jane's Defence is the premiere publication of security issues in the world. Their sources are used in intelligence agency briefings around the globe. That makes them more authoritative than any one country.

 

[tarunraju]

ok, fine, let me drop my arguement. Yes, China is providing weapon to Taliban, because by saying it only will make it true

It's "true" according to BBC too.

 

[Quickgun Murugan]

Pakistan seeks full SCO membership

Pakistan seeks full SCO membership

ISLAMABAD: President Asif Ali Zardari on Tuesday called for full membership of Pakistan in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) to strengthen the country’s engagement with the organisation for promoting peace and development in the region.

He said this during a meeting with Bolat K Nurgaliyav, SCO Secretary General, who called on him at the Aiwan-e-Sadr. The president said in the wake of the militancy and extremism, it was imperative that Pakistan, which has an observer status in the organisation since 2005, be given full membership.

The president also said by making counter-terrorism its priority, the SCO had assumed a greater responsibility in enhancing regional security and it would be greatly beneficial if the SCO member and observer states shared intelligence and experiences on counter-terrorism.

He said Pakistan was keen to be associated with the SCO’s regional counter-terrorism structure based in Tashkent. The president said the SCO, with a combined GDP of $4.5 trillion, could play an important role in promoting regional trade and economic cooperation.

Pakistan seeks full SCO membership

 

[ppgj]

President Asif Ali Zardari on Tuesday called for full membership of Pakistan in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) to strengthen the country’s engagement with the organisation for promoting peace and development in the region.

can't make out head or tails out of this.
how can they promote peace and development in the region?
they can't even target the groups that target their own countrymen?
they want to be selective in their offensive so they can use some of them later.
they only can destroy whatever peace and development that is existing now.
laughable at best.

 

[S.A.T.A]

Is there any organization on the planet that Pakistan is not/or does not want to be, a member of ?

 

[VayuSena1]

Pakistan seeks full SCO membership

ISLAMABAD: President Asif Ali Zardari on Tuesday called for full membership of Pakistan in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) to strengthen the country’s engagement with the organisation for promoting peace and development in the region.

He said this during a meeting with Bolat K Nurgaliyav, SCO Secretary General, who called on him at the Aiwan-e-Sadr. The president said in the wake of the militancy and extremism, it was imperative that Pakistan, which has an observer status in the organisation since 2005, be given full membership.

The president also said by making counter-terrorism its priority, the SCO had assumed a greater responsibility in enhancing regional security and it would be greatly beneficial if the SCO member and observer states shared intelligence and experiences on counter-terrorism.

He said Pakistan was keen to be associated with the SCO’s regional counter-terrorism structure based in Tashkent. The president said the SCO, with a combined GDP of $4.5 trillion, could play an important role in promoting regional trade and economic cooperation.

Pakistan seeks full SCO membership

I think Pakistan should at first focus on setting its terrorist record straight. With the problem of militancy out of control and with the daily increasing risk of their nuclear arsenal falling into hands of Taliban and their offshoots, Pakistan should be less concerned about former Soviet states.

Though as you might know, Pakistan is eager in enhancing their ties with Russia and China (assuming that now India has completely moved towards the United States). Somehow Pakistan's top leadership still remains convinced that their country has a chance of extracting full arms cooperation with Russia, since they managed to get the RD-93 engines for their fighter programme.

I somehow find their short-sightedness on geo-strategy rather amusing. They still unfortunately live in a syndrome that if India stands at a certain strategic level, it is their automatic right to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with India. I don't see Pakistan in the SCO as a permanent member because Islamabad is incapable of either economic or military donations to central Asian states. Although I am sure that if this question is reflected to Pakistani thinkers, the first thing they would consider jumping would be the 'common faith' bandwagon

 

[LETHALFORCE]

with the heat on Pakistan with the US surge in Afghanistan they have to turn to somebody or some organization to save them, but let's see what Russia thinks since they are the ones running the show in SCO.

 

[A.V.]

as long a medvedev is the president he would not bother much about pakistan getting into the SCO but once putin in back in 2012 things will change he might look to increase the might of sco to counter NATO and UN there he would welcome pakistan if india does not wish to join
india needs to play cautiously people need to understand the SCO ideology russia is trying to piggy back on smaller countries to draw its clout in the region if india gets to US friendly then things will change in the SCO

having said that rest assured that as long a medvedev is there pakistan bye bye, the guy dosent even want to listen to bullshit people imagine he is poster boy and putin is the real power true but medvedev is a very tough nut to crack in matters like these he dosent want anybody to meddle in affairs where russia holds some clout

 

[LETHALFORCE]

interesting AV but I don't think Putin would want Pakistan joining if India has not joined it offers nothing to Russia for Pakistan to join in terms of any strategic or economic leverage especially when Pakistan is viewed as USA's ally in the war on terror, more than Pakistan I think Russia is more interested in Iran joining, the organization may also collapse if China and Japan keep getting close Russia may question the Chinese participation, but regardeles India and Russia have renewed a 10 year defense pact which speaks more loudly than SCO membership.

 

[Soham]

as long a medvedev is the president he would not bother much about pakistan getting into the SCO but once putin in back in 2012 things will change

Doesn't Putin get his way anyway ?
When he came in power, Medvedev was looked upon as Putin's pawn.

 

[Quickgun Murugan]

SCO is more of an economic block than a military block like NATO. India shouldn't give a damn whether pakistan joins it or not.

 

[A.V.]

Doesn't Putin get his way anyway ?
When he came in power, Medvedev was looked upon as Putin's pawn.

putin is boss but medvedev has his own take on foreign policies and its interesting because both are not conflicting yet different

@qm
it aways starts out as economic but an organisation with russia and china involved would last if military strategic interest is not brought in
classic exampe why was india asked to withdraw from ayani in central asia? or us asked to vacate some airfields in kazak its because on bases on central asia are now under the the command of SCO , what has economy got to do with air-bases think about it



the entire pakistani foreign policy is centered around india if they want to join DCO its not because they need it its because they are designing to keep india at bay on various world forums

 

[Rahul Singh]

Latest SHIGUFA.

They are desperate to divert the attention in whatsoever percentage they think they can.

Pakistan = "Kutte ki Dum" can never get straight. It is a nation which took birth because of the actions of peoples who were champions of hate and had a vendetta against India(then Hindus).

Prime reason for pakistani desperation is to collect beg in whatever quantity it can. I have a feeling that major percentage of the minor so-called terrorists attacks inside pakistan are being carried by pakistanis themselves in order to project self as a victim of terror. So that inflow of beg continues and pakistani armed forces maintains status of their big boasting mouth.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Pakistan has enough influence strategic or economic to keep India out of these organizations? so far that has only worked with one middle eastern organization.

 

[Quickgun Murugan]

@qm
it aways starts out as economic but an organisation with russia and china involved would last if military strategic interest is not brought in
classic exampe why was india asked to withdraw from ayani in central asia? or us asked to vacate some airfields in kazak its because on bases on central asia are now under the the command of SCO , what has economy got to do with air-bases think about it

BRIC is also starting as an economic block. Do you foresee it as Military block anytime soon?

Can you show me some articles supporting the fact that India withdrew from Ayani and Kazak airfields because of SCO influence?