India among jihad targets of ISIS

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  1. Ray

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    Stand by for the fun and games to start in the Indian subcontinent.

    Are we ready?
     
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    The War Between ISIS and al-Qaeda for Supremacy of the Global Jihadist Movement

    Aaron Y. Zelin

    Aaron Y. Zelin examines the history and evolution of relations between ISIS and al-Qaeda, detailing factors that could help determine their respective agendas in the global Jihadi arena.

    The recent insurgency in Iraq has spawned fresh questions about what interests the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) represents and how exactly the organization relates to al-Qaeda. Indeed, although the groups have found tenuous common cause in military engagements such as Iraq, their relations have been characterized by distrust, open competition, and outright hostility. The final break came with ISIS's recent expansion from Iraq into Syria, spurring al-Qaeda to disavow the group earlier this year. In the battle for global jihadist supremacy, ISIS now holds the upper hand, with al-Qaeda struggling just to fend off its own decline.

    In this new Institute Research Note, Aaron Y. Zelin examines the history and evolution of relations between ISIS and al-Qaeda, detailing factors that could help or hinder each group in their battle for domination of the global Jihadi arena.

    THE AUTHOR
    Aaron Y. Zelin is the Richard Borow Fellow at the Washington Institute and the Rena and Sami David Fellow at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation and Political Violence. He also created the Jihadology.net website.

    Read it here

    http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/uploads/Documents/pubs/ResearchNote_20_Zelin.pdf
     
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    Islam can never be at Peace - with the world or within themselves.

    With the demise of their Prophet, Islam's approach changed from the spiritual to the temporal or political and got concerned with earthly realities, the worst of it being - crave for Power & Supremacy!

    It started with who would be the rightful successor of the Prophet. The religion split into two and they have been warring amongst themselves ever since.

    That not having satiated the blood and power lust, as seen in Pakistan for example, in recent times came the self appointed messiah - the Al Quaida. They took grip over the more fervent of the followers to regain the world for Islam through violent and extra-constitutional means.

    But then, that upset other upstarts claiming to be the sole soul of Islam in style of pretenders to the true political Islam style and so emerged the ISIS.

    However, as Sanity cannot encourage followers and so true to form, the new 'messiahs' have adopted violent ways to instil fear and commandeer the souls. That is the way these pretenders of the soul of Islam - the AQ and the ISIS have decided to fear craze into submission, not only the followers of Islam, but also those who, they call non believers. In this case, it includes the Shias too!

    And thus merrily rolls the fundamentalist Islamic bandwagon.

    Will they succeed?
     
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    Consider the world as a big play field :-

    The Americans are the rich boys, attired in the latest sports kit, playing to win but have a setting with the umpire & always wanting to win, even if it means bending the rules.
    Europeans are the guys, in traditional sports gear, high on nostalgia, dreaming when they used to win.
    Australians are the original convicts, ruddy, tough as nails good at ? but largely ignored
    Africans are the boys with max potential, but disorganized, with fat managers ( rulers) calling the shots as they have their hands in the till, and a team which is by & large impoverished.
    Russians are the team gone rogue, no umpires, setting their own rules.
    China & India are the wannabe teams, "new money" imported T- shirts with desi shorts, wanting to be part of the pool but not being allowed to !! Planning to start their own league.
    The Islamic countries ( Iraq, Syria,Iran, Afghanistan , Pakistan) are the scruffy urchins, spoilers who dont' want to play nor let others play but run away with the goal posts.

    Just visualize this it fits !!
     
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    Superficially, it appears rivalry between two individuals.

    However, it is basically a power struggle between two approaches to Islam being the inheritor the the Earth.

    AQ is appearing to have lost its teeth and this Islamic Caliphate seems to be on the ascendancy and so more attractive to the fundamentalist mindset.

    It has so charged the Muslims all over the world that even Indian Muslims, who till not were not in the fray are moving to Iraq etc to join the ISIS. In fact, apart from the ones who have gone from Thane. four youths from Hyderabad have been nabbed in Calcutta as they were about to cross the border into Bangladesh enroute to Iraq to join the ISIS.

    Interestingly, Pakistan is trying to cut its nose to spite its face
     
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    For the Islamic Radicals the end justifies the means, these radicals when they say Islam is peaceful they mean when the jihad is over the world will be peaceful. In the present context they need to fight and kill non believers and people of their own religion.

    Al qaueda choose coward way of attacking civilians in the name of Jihad.
     
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    AQ is backed by factions opposed to the Saudi royal family. ISIS looks like a Saudi Petro$ creation.
     
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    IF AQ is backed by faction opposed to saudi family then how come saudi family supported/recognised Tablian gov in afghanistan ver well knowing that taliban gov has given safe sanctuary to AQ leadership...

    ISIS might be saudi petro funding as it widely know america was traning them to take on sriya and saudi might have used there dollar power to shift attention to iraq and in future iran

    that why american and its allies are mostly doing lip service of helping ISIS dropping 1 or 2 bomb on ISISI aera while avoiding all round war
     
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    Insurance Policy.
     
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    India is also has threat of ISIS.
     
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    It is good that these Indians have gone and joined the ISIS.

    It is a long haul.

    They will die and so be rid of without being accused of being unfair to the minorities.
     
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    They have words for it and Dar ul Harb (Land of war) and Dar ul Islam (Land of Islam).

    One has to change Dar ul Harb (Land of war) to Dar ul Islam (Land of Islam) if world peace is desired.

    Or else, chhota jihad!

     
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    For all practical purposes the only phrase I see befitting this colossal crap fest is Harb ul Islam (War of Islam); as of right now it seems the Muslim world is losing the Harb ul common sense.
     
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    US and allies including Saudi are supporting rebel (Sunni) forces in Syria to overthrow the Shia (Alawite ?) Assad government. The same Sunni forces fanned out into Iraq to oust the Shia led Iraq govt. So US is not keen to attack ISIS - they just did a cursory air attack on ISIS when they would have got control of Mosul dam and stopped. They pay lip service to the genocide of Shia, Yazdi and Christians by ISIS.

    All this with the aim of `Get Iran`. In this US, Saudi, Qatar and other Sunni Gulf countries are united!
     
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    Well its looks so with IRAN in pocket they can very well control petrol prices in recent future American begin exception as amercians donot but oil from middle east also they would be having shell gas to full fill there and europe requirements only trouble would India and china and other asian nations
     
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    Yes, intent is to suppress Iran, hence the support for Sunni groups everywhere to hammer Shias (and any others like Yazdis and Christians that come in their way). Saudi, Qatar, Israel and EU countries complicit in the game.
     
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    I think ISIS will be finished before it reaches India.. India is far away and far down on their list of enemies...before India they have (1) Jordan (2) Israel (3) Lebanon (4) Saudi Arabia (5) Qatar (6) Bahrain (7) UAE (8) Afghanistan (9) Pakistan and so on.....Do you really think they will survive all these wars with these countries? I think,..they will be history in a few years.
     
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    Considering USA's official declaration of war on ISIS there days are surely numbered.
     
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