India alleges drones breaching its airspace

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    The Indian military has complained that Pakistani and Chinese spy drones are regularly straying into Indian airspace, striking a discordant note during this week’s summit between the two countries.

    Over the past three years, India has experienced nearly 30 violations of its airspace by foreign aircraft, including unmanned aircraft from neighbouring countries, according to AK Antony, India’s defence minister.

    Unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) – known as drones – and military aircraft had crossed into Indian airspace over the disputed Kashmir area of the Himalayas, he said, with most of the violations coming from Pakistan.

    “The fact that these [violations] are happening is enough. Something needs to be done,” said Shashindra Pal Tyagi, former head of the Indian air force.

    Their complaints came against the background of the three-day visit to India by Wen Jiabao, China’s premier, who preached partnership over bi-lateral rivalry in a warm address on local television.

    However, Mr Wen acknowledged that the border dispute over the state of Arunachal Pradesh would “not easily be resolved”, and made no mention of the threat of terrorism, a key Indian concern.

    A senior Pakistani official told the Financial Times that China was helping Pakistan to develop armed UAVs, providing support where Islamabad’s repeated requests for technology had been denied by the US.

    “China is helping Pakistan in this area. Pakistan needs drones for its genuine defence purposes and our Chinese brothers have once again risen to our expectations,” the official said.

    Indian military advisers are also worried about China’s development of drone technology. They are urging New Delhi’s defence establishment to invest in drones to patrol the Himalayas, the border with Pakistan and Maoist-held areas in India .

    “China has announced to the whole world about the modernisation of its armed forces, so India needs to be prepared. Keep your gunpowder ready,” Mr Tyagi said. “China is getting aggressive; India will have to cope with the entire spectrum of threat.”

    Serving commanders believe India has the capability to avoid the kind of humiliating defeat it suffered at the hands of the Chinese almost 50 years ago in a short-lived high altitude combat over the state of Arunachal Pradesh.

    “India started [upgrading] its capabilities five or six years ago. China started before that. They have a lead over us,” PV Naik, head of the air force, told commanders earlier this month. “Our aim is to prevent a repeat of 1962. With the capabilities that we have built up and are in the process of building, a repeat of 1962 can never happen.”

    US security experts have warned that Beijing has a number of UAVs under development. The US-China Economic and Security Review Commission, which takes a hawkish view towards China, claimed last month that China’s air force had deployed UAVs for reconnaissance and combat.

    The People’s Liberation Army has left little doubt that some products are maturing. Two drones were on display at a military parade celebrating the 60th anniversary of Communist rule last year. At the Zhuhai Air Show last month, Chinese companies showed off no less than 25 different unmanned aerial vehicles.

    Chinese security experts say UAVs are a vital part of the PLA’s effort to secure the country’s vast borders. They are expected to help locate US aircraft carriers in Asian waters, and patrol China’s disputed land borders.

    VK Saraswat, adviser to Indian defence ministry, said India needed to speed up its own development of UAVs and take “a cue from the use of drones [by the US] in Afghanistan”.
     
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    Shoot those brats down..then it will be even!
     
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    Nothing new this happens in almost all countries. we are also not sanes to keep our drones in our limits. Though proper channels are used to address this concern at the same time. But aint gonna stop. we can just protest for the sake of protesting. Escalating tension wont be a good move
     
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    wont serve any diplomatic purpose apart from escalting tensions and giving world a image of trigger happy nation.
     
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    Shooting down a drone is nothing. Drones were made for such purposes. Paf shot down our Searcher Mk II drone when it entered its aerospace. Thigs like this happen. Shooting them down may infact be helpful as they dont go back with the onboard intel that they have collected about the terrain and installations.
     
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    The thing is we need to employ first peaceful proper channels first. Let us first protest in front of the world. Let them realize that we tried settle it down peaceful and then we can go for offensive and we will have the point to make that we warned before we assumed aggressive posture. Today world knows us for our restraint. It took a lot of toil for us to achieve lets not ruin our image.
     
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    I guess we are over-doing it. This makes us get bullied all over the world. It is not aggressive posture...it is just national security issues.
     
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    I dont think so we are still assuming just the our side of story. At the same time pakistan accuses us for the similar violations. The data cannot be verified by the third party. So at the end of day if we take offensive posture for a third person we would be the one who broke the ice.
     
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    Defending our airspace is not really a offensive posture, we have to do something today they are using unarmed UAV's for violation in the future they may be armed UAV's.
     
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    Shooting down a drone is not offensive posture...when we can shoot down the Atlantique then why shooting down a drone will create trouble for us? We are just being overcautious and that is leading to their assertiveness. Shooting in defence is not prohibited even in the international court of law. So why just keep lodging protests when the whole world community knows the GoP is not going to do crap about it.
     
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    I agree with you but still the issue is not so huge that we go our guns blazing because we are being accused of the same thing. If we cross the limits from our own side this will send a wrong message to the world. No doubt we have to defend our air space but this is not the right time. We need to convince everyone that we have been trying peaceful means and then go for shooting them down, each one teach one.
     
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    Aint the atlantique incident created a lot of hoopla at the international level in UN. We are trying for the UNSC seat this aint a time to give someone points to get cheap scores in a platter. As the drone will be shot down next day we will hear a conspiracy that it was shot down in Pak airspace as once shot it will be bound to fall some in Indian and some in Pakistani airspace just like Atlantique incident. So we need to very cautious about these issues. World also knows we are not saints either. Let us convince the world first then go with all our guns blazing.
     
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    What about the data that they have gathered in form of Elint and Humint? It is hard to retrieve it and they might use it to identify and develop tactics and strategy according to it
     
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    And nothing happened and everything went in our way divya. They lost the case and as if we are short of conspiracy theories already in Pakistan. Trust me...I will say its high time for us to get assertive and shoot some down on both sides of the borders.
     
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    Are we in the warring posture. Not as of now. The strategies are made and removed. They change from time to time. Real time war formations are not kept such that any tom **** harry drone comes fly over and help a nation decide on its defence policy.
     
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    Shooting one down will also give us insight; when we take it apart, and give clues to neutralize the rest of the same UAV's in their inventory.
     
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    but the routes, updates for their tactics and ease of operations are taken back...so that they can plan according to it. Use of cover and use of the terrain is very important.
     
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    Yes of course they lost. But as of now when we are trying to convince every god damn nation to be on our side and trying to alienate pakistan completly for its policies why should we give them points to score. They did it we maintained our restraint. If we are able to portray that image if tommorrow we shoot them down also nothing will happen no one will care as we had already warned enough.
     
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    mate its been happening for the past 3 years and what were we waiting for?
     
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    Dont we already know :happy_2:
     

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