In today’s polarised atmosphere, time for uniform civil code not ripe

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  1. Ray

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    There is no doubt that if India is to be a Secular State, then should be total level field for all communities, caste, creed and religions.

    It is not only the lack of UCC that segments the society, but also the various sops given to variety of classes of the Indian society.

    If the Indian society and the professed 'secular' govts have not been able to iron out the creases in the Indian society in 68 years, then it never will either.

    Therefore, the issue of when the time will be ripe to do so is moot.

    There is no doubt divisive society segmenting voices are queering the pitch, be it the Mollahs , Padres or the Saffron strident.

    Secularism, to include an common civil code, can only happen if there is political will ready to ride over the irrelevant and frivolous debate that will ensue.

    Is the time ripe or is it unripe?
     
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    Re: In today’s polarised atmosphere, time for uniform civil code not

    Nonsense from TOI-let blog!

    sickular Pressititutes!
     
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    Re: In today’s polarised atmosphere, time for uniform civil code not

    A one liner and that is all that you have to declare an article as 'nonsense'?

    I think it would have been more informative and educative if you did spell out why you feel so.

    After all, every issue in the world has many sides and dimension.

    I am sure your analysis would add to the information, and may even be most educative.
     
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    Re: In today’s polarised atmosphere, time for uniform civil code not

    There will never be a good time for anything in this country. Anything which is good for the country in the long run will get opposition by secularists / commies / jholchap NGOs. Hence, what needs to be done has to be done NOW!

    India require equal playing ground when it come to law, we cannot have different personal laws where the clerics / mullahs get empowerment and have a sway over their communities (no doubt we have kangroo courts propping up all over the country in garb of beings sharia courts, no detailed media reports on this explosive situation unlike Khaps) !

    If personal law has to be sharia complaint then why not make Criminal law Sharia complaint for for all who wants personal law! Suddenly the leftists will cry conspiracy to get draconian laws into India to discriminate the born secular minority - suddenly for them Sharia punishments will become inhuman but sharia which suits clerics is all fine! Secular people will at the same time call it an RSS conspiracy (funnily they will call implementation of Sharia as an RSS conspiracy which they are defending - they have been fooling for a long time - very few people are able to see through this facade in the name of secularism!!) Hypocrisy has prevailed for a long time.....we are not an islamic nation but secular ........ empowering of people is more important then empowering of mullahs and people require laws to get out of the clutches of genocidal mullahs!

    Equality is the key to move forward not medieval laws that too in parts to suit a community.....is this secularism? It's sham!!
     
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    Re: In today’s polarised atmosphere, time for uniform civil code not

    Make the main thrust of the argument womens rights (which it is actually) . Opposition will have a tough time justifying their stance then .
     
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    Re: In today’s polarised atmosphere, time for uniform civil code not

    Yes, there is many sides and dimensions of every issue. However, mixing two issues to nullify one is the kind of attempt that is condemnable. How is Ram Mandir issue and UCC can be taken into single bracket to discuss, unless it is to simple reason that the author finds it hard to defend the stand of some in the society against the UCC. hence stretching his imagination and bringing Ram Mandir issue in this - so that enough debate on secular media by secular panelist bashing the BJP's agenda on Ram Mandir can derail UCC too.

    Therefore, I think @sasi is not wrong in his remark, which when brief, speaks volumes about the above article.
     
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    Re: In today’s polarised atmosphere, time for uniform civil code not

    Yes, there is many sides and dimensions of every issue. However, mixing two issues to nullify one is the kind of attempt that is condemnable. How is Ram Mandir issue and UCC can be taken into single bracket to discuss, unless it is to simple reason that the author finds it hard to defend the stand of some in the society against the UCC. hence stretching his imagination and bringing Ram Mandir issue in this - so that enough debate on secular media by secular panelist bashing the BJP's agenda on Ram Mandir can derail UCC too.

    Therefore, I think @sasi is not wrong in his remark, which when brief, speaks volumes about the above article.
     
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    Re: In today’s polarised atmosphere, time for uniform civil code not

    No one is saying @sasi is wrong.

    As you have mentioned, the contradiction is what has to be highlighted for discussion and not a Sir Oracle 'I know best' one liner which helps neither man or beast to understand how it is 'nonsense'.

    This a forum and debate is the medium and not mere one liners that says nothing to contribute to the debate beyond looking rather 'clever' and cute.

    UCC and Ram Mandir can be taken as an issue.

    As I see it, and I don't say I am right, clever or cute, if you raise the issue of Ram Mandir then you are at cross purpose of the issue of one level playing field like the UCC.

    Therefore, is Ram Mandir worth raising in these days where society is divided?
     
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    Re: In today’s polarised atmosphere, time for uniform civil code not

    Sir, Ram Mandir issue doesn't involve civil, social or economic rights of individual. Ram Mandir issue when is a matter of faith and history which requires Judicial intervention, UCC is not a mater of faith or cannot be.

    The ASI itself found that the Babri Mosque was in deed built on some other construction, which is likely to have a hindu temple. So, it becomes a matter of faith, and as there is no longer a mosque, judiciary shall in due course determine the fate of the land. The parliament should not and actually cannot intervene in the case of Ram Mandir.

    But, parliament can implement UCC and so they should. UCC doesn't deal with faith, rather it clears faith from justice.

    Now, if some people want to hold off justice to the people because some brick and wood structure, I would consider that to be because of some ulterior motive. They are the same people crys hoarse when women are not treated equal in the society, but mute when women are not treated equal and rightly by perverted law. Silly, comic or tragic?
     
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    Re: In today’s polarised atmosphere, time for uniform civil code not

    True.

    But why get emotion riled up on the otherwise irrelevant when one is trying to equalise society?

    What is more important?

    UCC or Ram Mandir?

    One has to get the society in place first before addressing religious issues.

    Is the esoteric more important than the contemporary reality that is causing turmoil in society that itself is creating a greater schism that leads to no answers when it come to the religious spiritual issues?

    Indeed most mosques were built over the ruins of Hindu temples. That is a truism since Islam razed all icons of idolatry and replaced it with Islamic icons. But then that is to be tackled with sanity prevails and not in a charged atmosphere.

    UCC would find a greater understanding amongst many, bu not on religious competitiveness.

    As it is the Muslims have chip on their shoulder. They were lording over India some time back and now are at the receiving end, thanks to the stupidity of Jinnah. It hurts their ego and they are not ready to reconcile and will not smell the coffee.

    Can we blame them?
     
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    Re: In today’s polarised atmosphere, time for uniform civil code not

    Muslims with their own personal law, DIGGING THEIR OWN GRAVE :lol:

    They are discriminating 50% muslims aka muslim women

    1.They allowing child marriages,leads to less/no education for women
    2.Tripple talaq,no alimony,leads to women are exploited/insecure

    1947 to 2014 they fall from ruling class/high income group to Tribal income group :lol:. I'm against UCC ,Muslims themselves want to suffer with those stupid medieval laws :lol:.Jai ho sickuarism
     
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    one liner-so we reconcile and blame ourselves! I prefer tea!
     
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    Re: In today’s polarised atmosphere, time for uniform civil code not

    And then they will blame others for their misery and declare India Dar-ul-Harb.
     

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