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Why is there a big difference between Laid down and launch date between Our subs and the ones of Chile and Malaysia . They seem to be finishing it faster in 3-4 years time frame where are we are taking minimum 6 years time frame to finish construction of a Submarine.. Just as per the wikipedia source of the scorpene class submarines.

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With leaked data?:dude:
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what kind of leaked datas ?
marketing file ? :pound:
datas about previous Peru and Malaysian Scorpene (indian Scorpene is more evoluted and heavier) ?
number of torpedoes inside?
Brand of the main engine?

Absolutely no sensible datas were released. If not, do you imagine Australia inking a 34 billions deal for 12 Scorpene derivative after that? It's not serious.

And you must know that even in the same class, each sub has it's own acoustic signature. It depends of production tolerances (on the propeller for exemple), so no one can't predict BEFORE end of production and sea trials what will be the precise acoustic signature of a sub.
And Scorpene are know to be VERY quiet.
 

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Why is there a big difference between Laid down and launch date between Our subs and the ones of Chile and Malaysia . They seem to be finishing it faster in 3-4 years time frame where are we are taking minimum 6 years time frame to finish construction of a Submarine.. Just as per the wikipedia source of the scorpene class submarines.

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because Mazagon is not as skilled as french DCNS.
But next ones will come more quickly.

not to speak of the next batch of 6 ...... :biggrin2:
 

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Why is there a big difference between Laid down and launch date between Our subs and the ones of Chile and Malaysia . They seem to be finishing it faster in 3-4 years time frame where are we are taking minimum 6 years time frame to finish construction of a Submarine.. Just as per the wikipedia source of the scorpene class submarines.

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What is the big and beautifull (non completed) frigate near the sub ?
 

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Basically no Torpedoes.I am fed up with these half baked acquisitions.
I'm sure India will have the opportunity to buy some with a very short lead time :
or few F21 from french navy (The first SSN Barracuda will enter french navy with at least one year delay)
or few italian Black Shark or german See Hake ones.

But it's incredible you bought subs without the weapons !!! Maybe Indian Navy Top Brass never thought Mazagon was able to deliver it (evenwith 2 or 3 years delay) ??? :scared2:
 

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I'm sure India will have the opportunity to buy some with a very short lead time :
or few F21 from french navy (The first SSN Barracuda will enter french navy with at least one year delay)
or few italian Black Shark or german See Hake ones.

But it's incredible you bought subs without the weapons !!! Maybe Indian Navy Top Brass never thought Mazagon was able to deliver it (evenwith 2 or 3 years delay) ??? :scared2:
Finnmanica is black listed so no Black Sharks.So what else is available.
 

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Someone should inform the wiseguys in our MOD that a shark is useless without its teeth so they should buy blackshark asap.
 

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With leaked data?:dude:
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If the leaked data is so sensitive the why take delivery of these too? And why did Australian govt. went with the purchase? There are several things behind the scene and navy chief himself said the leaks are not that grievous and if needed specs can be changed by using AIP and instead of normal propeller pump jet propulsion like on barracuda can be used to bring down the noise further and even these can be changed by using AIP during MLU. The whole signature of sub can be changed.
 

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Hmmm.Hope this is signed quickly.

What happened with our own torpedo project?
Basically no Torpedoes.I am fed up with these half baked acquisitions.
varunastra is a ship launched torpedo ...........TALW or TAL also can not be used in submarines .

Takshak HWTs is a submarine-launched variant of Varunastra HWTs with wire guidance...........which is under development , However, it could take several years before the torpedo comes to operational use.

French are willing to provide the F21 torpedos, but they said it would do only for French submarines not in russian or german or Indian .

at present Black shark is the best submarine Launched Torpedo but ................Finmeccanica Group is Banned so ........India will go for German Torpedo .
 
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varunastra is a ship launched torpedo ...........TALW or TAL also can not be used in submarines .

Takshak HWTs is a submarine-launched variant of Varunastra HWTs with wire guidance...........which is under development , However, it could take several years before the torpedo comes to operational use.

French are willing to provide the F21 torpedos, but they said it would do only for French submarines not in russian or german or Indian .

at present Black shark is the best submarine Launched Torpedo but ................Finmeccanica Group is Banned so ........India will go for German Torpedo .
Is that German Elekro whatever Torpedo any good?How does it compare with the chinese ones?
 

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Is that German Elekro whatever Torpedo any good?How does it compare with the chinese ones?

german SeaHake is used by pakistaan .



I dont have knowledge about Chinese Indigenous Torpedoes .................they have older variants of Black shark .
they can buy Russian Torpedoes .
 

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german SeaHake is used by pakistaan .


I dont have knowledge about Chinese Indigenous Torpedoes .................they have older variants of Black shark .
they can buy Russian Torpedoes .
Does it make sense to buy the same Torpedoes that Pakis use?
 

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