In overture to China, Japan PM may skip visit to war dead shrine

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Paper: Yasukuni, state in '69 OK'd war criminal inclusion | The Japan Times

Among the documents are lists dated from Jan. 31, 1969, presented at a meeting between shrine officials and the then Health and Welfare Ministry of people who could be enshrined at Yasukuni and the document says the shrine and the ministry shared the view that Class-A war criminals are "able to be honored."

The ministry and the shrine also agreed not to make public the idea that Yasukuni would enshrine the war criminals, a decision that appears to be linked to the constitutional issue of state and religion remaining separate.

Yasukuni, which enshrines the war dead, also included the names of 14 Class-A war criminals in 1978. After that time, the late Emperor Hirohito stopped visiting the shrine. The war criminals died after the war, including some who were hanged.
 

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You mean like Emperor Hirohito? You could have fooled me. :p
There was good reason for the Allies not to prosecute the emperor (昭和天皇) after the war. It was a condition of the Japanese surrender.

...getting to keep their Emperor was the one condition the Japanese insisted on before they would surrender. The Japanese believed he was a living god, but he had to admit to the Japanese people that he was not divine, not a god. He spoke to the Japanese people in a radio address at that time, and it was the first time the people had ever heard his voice.
Why wasn' t hirohito executed as a war crime in world war 2
 

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Don't American history textbooks teach their children that the Japanese surrender was unconditional?
I don't know, but I would not be surprised if that were the case. I think more emphasis in history textbook would be justification for use of the A-bomb.

What is more, my youngest child graduated from high school a year ago, and I never looked at the history books of any of my children. I regret that.
 

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I don't know, but I would not be surprised if that were the case. I think more emphasis in history textbook would be justification for use of the A-bomb.

What is more, my youngest child graduated from high school a year ago, and I never looked at the history books of any of my children. I regret that.

BBC ON THIS DAY | 2 | 1945: Japan signs unconditional surrender

1945: Japan signs unconditional surrender
Japanese officials have signed the act of unconditional surrender, finally bringing to an end six years of world war.
In the presence of 50 Allied generals and other officials, the Japanese envoys boarded the American battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay to sign the surrender document.
 

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That is your personal opinion. Have you been to Yasukuni Shrine? Do you know what it means to Japanese people?
you mean honor the dead who torture/rape/kill chiense/korean/taiwaness etc etc including ally pows
 

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you mean honor the dead who torture/rape/kill chiense/korean/taiwaness etc etc including ally pows
@W.G.Ewald is just being stubborn. Even the right-wing Asahi Shimbun stands in opposition to shrine visits.

EDITORIAL: Politicians missing the big picture on Yasukuni issue - AJW by The Asahi Shimbun

The meaning of the shrine to the Japanese people is irrelevant; their government abrogated the right to acknowledge any link between national pride and their WW2-era military when they accepted the Tokyo tribunal statements, the US-drafted constitution, and the 1945 and 1951 treaties. Any desire to reacquire that right must be done only with the unanimous consent of the victor nations of World War 2.
 
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@W.G.Ewald is just being stubborn. Even the right-wing Asahi Shimbun stands in opposition to shrine visits.

EDITORIAL: Politicians missing the big picture on Yasukuni issue - AJW by The Asahi Shimbun

The meaning of the shrine to the Japanese people is irrelevant; their government abrogated the right to acknowledge any link between national pride and their WW2-era military when they accepted the Tokyo tribunal statements, the US-drafted constitution, and the 1945 and 1951 treaties. Any desire to reacquire that right must be done only with the unanimous consent of the victor nations of World War 2.
This what General MacArthur said:

The Japanese people since the war have undergone the greatest reformation recorded in modern history. With a commendable will, eagerness to learn, and marked capacity to understand, they have from the ashes left in war's wake erected in Japan an edifice dedicated to the supremacy of individual liberty and personal dignity, and in the ensuing process there has been created a truly representative government committed to the advance of political morality, freedom of economic enterprise, and social justice.
General MacArthur : speeches and reports 1908-1964 (Book, 2000) [WorldCat.org]
 
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oops don't think the same. anyway, you can twist it whatever you like but the fact is facts. those shrine contina names of war criminals. there are japanese said mistreatment of pow, chinese, korean or confort women doesn't exist, including some their government officials.
 

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oops don't think the same. anyway, you can twist it whatever you like but the fact is facts. those shrine contina names of war criminals. there are japanese said mistreatment of pow, chinese, korean or confort women doesn't exist, including some their government officials.
Korean workers conscripted by Japanese abused Allied POWs. There is enough blame to go around, forever. If you want to pursue your enemy into the afterlife, you put a curse on yourself.

But the issue of this thread is Chinese bullying of Japanese today, wanting to get political advantages by exhuming events in the past.

And that will be my last word. There is already too much distraction and disruption by provocateurs on DFI.
 

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Korean workers conscripted by Japanese abused Allied POWs. There is enough blame to go around, forever. If you want to pursue your enemy into the afterlife, you put a curse on yourself.

But the issue of this thread is Chinese bullying of Japanese today, wanting to get political advantages by exhuming events in the past.

And that will be my last word. There is already too much distraction and disruption by provocateurs on DFI.
bully japan you got be kidding. lets go over the event here, in 1895 china lost the island to japan, forware several decades, in the 70s after US give the island back to japan after WWII, the status quo was set in since 70s, both countries agree its disputed area but set aside in order to establish good relationship, a year back, the japan government decide to purchase the island from private owner thus break the status quo. china/taiwan response by sending their fisherman to the island, japan do the same etc etc. basically japan escalate teh situation which result both go at each others. there is no bully here, especially a powerful country like japan.
 

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also are you saying that only korea worker abuse pows lol. seriouslly you sound like a ultra-nationlist jap. pretty much all expert agree these even occured.
 

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The recently launched $1.2 billion Japanese warship at a Yokohama dockyard, named the Izumo, is classified as a helicopter destroyer, though its flattop design makes it look like an aircraft carrier.

But the Japanese Defense Ministry says the ship is not intended to be used as an aircraft carrier and will not be used to launch fighter jets.
 

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Unconditional surrender has changed to strategic unconditionality.
 

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The Revival of the U.S.-Japanese Alliance

After a period of decline, security ties between the United States and Japan have been revitalized by both countries'
responses to the threats of terrorism and a nuclear North Korea. The invigorated alliance has also taken significant
steps to deal with the rise of China as a military power, including the coordination of security policy, missile defense
cooperation, and U.S. support of Tokyo's efforts to assert its interests in the Asia Pacific region. U.S. policymakers
should welcome these developments and continue to support Japan's emergence as a strong American ally.

The new U.S.-Japanese statement of "Common Strategic Goals" adopted on February 19 capped a decade of deepening security ties between the two countries. Indeed, the statement is intended to serve as a guideline for the comprehensive transformation of the alliance. While the upgrading of the alliance serves a number of Tokyo's strategic purposes, there is no mistaking the fact that Japan has decided to join the United States in its grand strategy of checking China's great-power ambitions. Under the leadership of Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, Tokyo has taken advantage of the U.S.-led war on terrorism, Washington's encouragement of Japanese efforts to bolster its defense capabilities, and the North Korean nuclear standoff to assert a defense posture commensurate to its stature in the international community.........


Read on at:

http://www.aei.org/files/2005/10/25/20051024_AEIAsianOutlook.pdf
 
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Chinese military urges vigilance over Japan's defense plans
NATIONAL JUL. 28, 2013

BEIJING —
China's Defense Ministry on Saturday urged international vigilance of Japan's military plans after it unveiled an interim report calling for strengthened armed forces, including the possible acquisition of the ability to hit enemy bases.

Japan's proposal - its latest step away from the constraints of its pacifist constitution - is part of a review of defense policy by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's government, which released an interim report on the issue on Friday. Final review conclusions are due by the end of the year.

Japan's Defense Ministry also said it would consider buying unmanned surveillance drones, create a force of Marines to protect remote islands, such as those disputed with China, and consider beefing up the ability to transport troops to far-flung isles.

"The sections about China in this report by Japan are playing on the same old themes, exaggerating the military threat from China, and have ulterior motives," China's Defense Ministry said in a statement on its website (中华人民共和国国防部).

"This year, Japan has come up with all kinds of excuses to continue to expand its armaments ... creating tensions in the region. These moves deserve the highest vigilance from neighboring countries in Asia and from the international community," it said.

Abe took office in December for a rare second term, pledging to bolster the military to cope with what Japan sees as an increasingly threatening security environment including an assertive China and an unpredictable North Korea.

Abe called on Friday for a leaders' summit or a foreign ministers' meeting between his country and China as soon as possible.

But Abe's appeal drew a cool reaction from China which accused Japan of lacking sincerity.

Over the past year, China's stand-off with Japan over a string of uninhabited rocky islands in the East China Sea known as the Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China has become more acrimonious.

China also believes that Japan has never properly atoned for its brutal invasion and occupation of parts of the country before and during World War Two.

Chinese military urges vigilance over Japan's defense plans "¹ Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion
 

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Chinese military urges vigilance over Japan's defense plans
NATIONAL JUL. 28, 2013

BEIJING —
China's Defense Ministry on Saturday urged international vigilance of Japan's military plans after it unveiled an interim report calling for strengthened armed forces, including the possible acquisition of the ability to hit enemy bases.

Japan's proposal - its latest step away from the constraints of its pacifist constitution - is part of a review of defense policy by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's government, which released an interim report on the issue on Friday. Final review conclusions are due by the end of the year.

Japan's Defense Ministry also said it would consider buying unmanned surveillance drones, create a force of Marines to protect remote islands, such as those disputed with China, and consider beefing up the ability to transport troops to far-flung isles.

"The sections about China in this report by Japan are playing on the same old themes, exaggerating the military threat from China, and have ulterior motives," China's Defense Ministry said in a statement on its website (中华人民共和国国防部).

"This year, Japan has come up with all kinds of excuses to continue to expand its armaments ... creating tensions in the region. These moves deserve the highest vigilance from neighboring countries in Asia and from the international community," it said.

Abe took office in December for a rare second term, pledging to bolster the military to cope with what Japan sees as an increasingly threatening security environment including an assertive China and an unpredictable North Korea.

Abe called on Friday for a leaders' summit or a foreign ministers' meeting between his country and China as soon as possible.

But Abe's appeal drew a cool reaction from China which accused Japan of lacking sincerity.

Over the past year, China's stand-off with Japan over a string of uninhabited rocky islands in the East China Sea known as the Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China has become more acrimonious.

China also believes that Japan has never properly atoned for its brutal invasion and occupation of parts of the country before and during World War Two.

Chinese military urges vigilance over Japan's defense plans "¹ Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion
 

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China's domestic problems a 'recipe for regional disaster'

China's likely preoccupation with its own economic and political challenges in coming years could become a ''recipe for disaster'' if the country's leadership neglects its ''potentially explosive'' tensions with its neighbours, a top scholar says.

Linda Jakobson, program director for the East Asia section at the Lowy Institute and one of the world's top China experts, has warned in a paper released on Tuesday that China's new leader Xi Jinping will be under pressure to solve his country's ''formidable domestic problems''.

If the emerging giant becomes too reactive in its foreign policy, the results could be disastrous, with the country's leadership likely to be swayed by nationalist reaction if an accident or miscalculation sparks a military skirmish with Japan or one of China's South East Asian neighbours.

''This may have serious consequences because of the potentially explosive nature of two of China's most pressing foreign policy challenges: how to decrease tensions with Japan over the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands and with South East Asian states over territorial claims in the South China Sea,'' she says.

Tensions have risen between China and Japan over a territorial dispute about a small group of islands in the East China Sea that the Japanese call the Senkaku Islands and the Chinese call the Diaoyu. Chinese warships have pointed missile radars at Japanese military targets and taken the two regional powers to the brink of "a dangerous situation", say Japanese officials.

''A lack of attention by China's senior leaders to these sovereignty disputes is a recipe for disaster. If a maritime or aerial incident occurs, nationalist pressure will narrow the room for manoeuvre of leaders in each of the countries involved in the incident.''

Ms Jakobson's comments follow remarks last week by former prime minister Kevin Rudd warning that escalating territorial disputes between China and its neighbours are a ''tinderbox on water'', and comparing the situation to tensions in the Balkans a century ago that sparked the First World War.

A top US navy intelligence officer has echoed warnings of the threat from China, saying the country had become a bully on the high seas, with ambitions to sink American warships and seize control of waters from its neighbours.

Captain James Fanell also accused Beijing of ''fabricating'' history to claims on disputed islands in the south and east China seas and described China as the ''principal threat''.

The marked escalation in rhetoric fuels a sense of a growing and dangerous rivalry between the US and China in the region - and is a headache for Australian defence planners seeking not to antagonise either country.

''They are taking control of maritime areas that have never before being administered or controlled in the last 5000 years by any regime called China,'' Captain Fanell told a conference in San Diego.

China's attitude was undoubtedly expansionist, he said – ''what's mine is mine, and we'll negotiate what is yours''.

Captain Fanell's blunt comments last week came in the wake of a warning from a senior Chinese military officer that the US was acting as ''the global tiger'', leading Japan, ''Asia's wolf'', in mauling China.

The Chinese officer warned Australia should not become a ''jackal for the tiger or dance with the wolf''.

The communist regime has increasingly given license for trusted military officers to speak out on regional affairs in what is widely interpreted as deliberate messages without being an official view.

The US now appears to be responding in kind.

''We need China to act like a great nation . . . but that is not the China I've watched over the past decade,'' Captain Fanell said.

The deputy chief of staff for intelligence and information operations for US Pacific Fleet, covering oceans from ''Hollywood to Bollywood'', Captain Fanell said China was at the centre of virtually every dispute.

''My assessment is the [People's Liberation Army] Navy has become a very capable fighting force. Much of the intelligence record is classified beyond what we can discuss in this forum, but just to give you one example, in 2012 the PLA Navy sent seven surface action groups and the largest number of its submarines on deployment into the Philippines sea in its history,'' he said.

''I can tell you as the fleet intelligence officer, the PLA Navy is going to sea to learn how to do naval warfare . . . Make no mistake – the [People's Republic of China] navy is focused on war at sea, and sinking an opposing fleet.''

Sam Roggeveen, from the Lowy Institute in Sydney, said the presentation did not represent the US government line and may yet be disowned.

''But such a brutally candid assessment from such a senior source is nevertheless bad news,'' Mr Roggeveen said.

''It indicates that China is throwing its weight around in exactly the way its neighbours fear, and that China has no appetite for co-operation or negotiation on its territorial claims.''

He also warned the US military's attempted to engage China were perhaps too pessimistic, calculating that China is a military adversary which the US must face down in concert with its friends and allies.

Captain Fanell said China's ''harassments'' on the high seas had expanded over time.

''In my opinion, China is knowingly, operationally and incrementally seizing maritime rights of its neighbours under the rubric of a maritime history that is not only contested in the international community but has largely been fabricated by Chinese government propaganda bureaus in order to 'educate' the populous about China's rich maritime history, clearly as a tool to sustain the Party's control.''

US Intel Officer Warns On China Bully | China V Japan
 

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The last few posts indicates the Chinese attitude - China's attitude is undoubtedly expansionist, – ''what's mine is mine, and we'll negotiate what is yours''.

And that is not just my view, but that of internationally acclaimed strategic analysts.
 

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