In Okinawa, Talk of Break From Japan Turns Serious

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/world/asia/in-okinawa-talk-of-break-from-japan-turns-serious.html

    China should provide these activists funding and support, in much the same way certain other nations have supported the Tibetan cause.
     
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    :facepalm:

    Most likely this would force the Japanese to reconsider their pact with U.S.A and with Abe in power this might actually happen in very near future.This is sad news for China, don't know why the Chinese posters are getting wet over it.
     
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    Welcome to Ryukyu independence movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    They even have a flag
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    My school house had a flag :)

    This quote from the article sums up the issue I think.
     
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    Free Tibet being endorsed by a Chinese!
     
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    Where did I make that claim? I stated that since other people seem intent on using Tibetan exiles and malcontents to try to break apart China, then China has every right to use Okinawan exiles and malcontents to break apart Japan...
     
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    A quarter-century ago, Scottish devolution was summed up in that statement as well. Now, Scotland is voting for independence, and has its own separate parliament which looks to be backing out of NATO.

    Even if this issue doesn't get a majority of Ryukyuans to support it, a large and vocal minority which persistently rejects the sovereignty of the Japanese state will create immense headaches for Tokyo. That is in China's long-term interest.

    When (not if) the Japanese bond market crashes due to the inflationary pressure of Abenomics, China can add fuel to the fire by inciting Ryukyuans to demonstrate against central Japanese authority, and against the US military bases there in particular.
     
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    What you are disregarding is the main issue of contention in the situation, i.e. presence of US bases on Okinawa. The 'vocal minority' is rallying behind this issue and the only logical course of action for Japan if this issue escalates would be to address it. This isn't about freedom from oppression and there is little that China or any foreign power can do about it. However, if China does try to interfere in this case there are far more places where Japan could do the same. Case in point:

    Inside China: Hong Kong protests - Washington Times

    Quoting from the article, this was China's response.

    It is apparent that force is the only thing holding China together, if (when) an alliance opens several fronts of war against China then PRC will fall apart. The point is, China should think twice before thinking about interfering in other nation's internal affairs. Repercussions can be serious.
     
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    Actually, that's a misread - the decision to open the barracks and open up Type 56s for tours is more akin to the US Navy steaming through Long Island Sound than an implicit threat to use force. Any massive separatist protests would be dealt with by the MSS or MPS counterintelligence agents in the city before it ever got out of hand.

    Also, what's to say that foreign powers already aren't covertly stirring up the pot in Hong Kong, as they have been documented to do in Taiwan, Xinjiang, and Tibet?

    Considering that modern China arose out of 40 million fatalities over 18 years of total warfare (1931-1949), is it any wonder that China's conception of government is fundamentally Hobbesian?

    And given that China has nuclear weapons, once other nations are using armed force to push China to the point of disintegration, do you think the government will stand idly by?
     
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    So you foresee this happening in Okinawa but not Tibet?
     
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    Oh, this could happen in Tibet just as much as it could in Okinawa - but the key difference there is that China's toolkit for suppressing ethnic disturbances is a lot bigger and more... effective, than Japan's is.
     
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    Regardless of the actual agency that would handle the mob, I would agree with the author that it was indeed a show of force.

    China's response has been on the expected lines, force.

    And the scale of involvement could increase manifolds if China tries any misadventures. The bottom-line is that China is not as free to create mischief in other regions as many of the commentators here believe.

    That would be a no win scenario. Plus, nukes didn't help USSR.

    Considering that China's intention is to gain land/leverage/resource in the region, any scenario ending in Nuclear Armageddon would be a strategic loss.

    Let history be the judge of that :)
     
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    effective in the short term, and not the long term
     
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    I'm amazed at your capability of making almost every thread a Hong Kong or a Tibet!? Stay on topic pls.

    I heard, in person a student perhaps from Shizuoka, told a bunch of Ryukyuans they weren't Japanese. My heart goes all out to our Ryukyu kinsmen many of whom have roots in FJ China. They were dealt with as subhumans under Imperial Japan and even now "Okinawa" is under developed.

    I knew a girl from Yonakuni Island surprisingly close to Taiwan. Then how far is it fm Japan?

    Let Ryukyuans be the masters of their fate.

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    Okinawa is farther to China compared to Taiwan. They why not let Taiwanese be the masters of their own fate? Why not the Tibetans be the masters of their own fate? The heart of the world already melted and flowing with the stories of how Tibetans are suffering.. Okinawans were once treated as sub-humans as you say. Then why doesn't your heart melt and go 'out all the way' for the Tibetans who were being treated as sub-human 'now' by the Chinese?
     
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    Pushing Japan too much won't end well for China. Chinese power, like Chinese trinkets, is temporary. Japanese quality is long lasting. No Han, Ming, Mao is ever going to outshine Yamato.
     
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    Chinese should know that they are poking too many neighbors and this will harm them very badly in the near future.
     
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    very good sir, on one hand when other try to do so u cry like @#!#
    but now you justify such actions, such way u will never become a responsible power but a power which is bound to fall it you continue such shruid actions.

    Sorry, something better is expected from an emerging power, how can u say imperial japanese wrong what u too are going to repeat what they did in 19th and 20th century?
     

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