In Okinawa, Talk of Break From Japan Turns Serious

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/world/asia/in-okinawa-talk-of-break-from-japan-turns-serious.html

NAHA, Japan — In a windowless room in a corner of a bustling market where stalls displayed severed pigs' heads and bolts of kimono silk, Okinawans gathered to learn about a political idea that until recently few had dared to take seriously: declaring their island chain's political independence from Japan.

About two dozen people of all ages listened as speakers challenged the official view of Okinawa as inherently part of homogeneous Japan, arguing instead that Okinawans are a different ethnic group whose once-independent tropical islands were forcibly seized by Japan in 1879. Then, to lighten the mood, the organizers showed "Sayonara, Japan!", a comedy about a fictional Okinawan island that becomes its own little republic.

"Until now, you were mocked if you spoke of independence," said one speaker, Kobun Higa, 71, a retired journalist whose book on the history of the tiny independence movement has become a hot seller online. "But independence may be the only real way to free ourselves from the American bases."

Mr. Higa and other advocates admit that few islanders would actually seek independence for Okinawa, the southernmost Japanese island chain, which is home to 1.4 million residents and more than half of the 50,000 American troops and sailors based in Japan. But discontent with the heavy American presence and a growing perception that the central government is ignoring Okinawans' pleas to reduce it have made an increasing number of islanders willing to at least flirt publicly with the idea of breaking apart in a way that local politicians and scholars say they have not seen in decades.

In May, a newly formed group led by Okinawan university professors held a symposium on independence that drew 250 people. A tiny political party that advocates separation from Japan through peaceful means has been revived after decades of dormancy, though its candidates have fared poorly in recent elections. And on his blog, a member of Parliament from Okinawa recently went so far as to post an entry titled "Okinawa, It's Finally Time for Independence From Yamato," using the Okinawan word for the rest of Japan.

"Before, independence was just something we philosophized about over drinks," said Masahide Ota, a former governor of Okinawa, who is not a member of the movement.

"Now, it is being taken much more seriously."

The independence movement remains nascent, with a few hundred active adherents at most. But Mr. Ota and others say it still has the potential to complicate Japan's unfolding contest with China for influence in the region.

That struggle expanded recently to include what appears to be a semiofficial campaign in China to question Japanese rule of Okinawa. Some analysts see the campaign as a ploy to strengthen China's hand in a dispute over a smaller group of islands that has captured international headlines in recent months. Some Chinese scholars have called for exploiting the independence movement to say there are splits even in Japan over the legitimate ownership of islands annexed during Japan's imperial expansion in the late 19th century, as Okinawa and the smaller island group were.

Okinawa has long looked and felt different from the rest of Japan, with the islands' tropical climate, vibrant musical culture and lower average incomes setting it apart. Strategically situated in the center of East Asia, the islands, once known as the Kingdom of the Ryukyus, have had a tortured history with Japan since the takeover, including the forced suicides of Okinawan civilians by Japanese troops during World War II and the imposition of American bases after the war.

For years, Okinawans directed much of their ire over the bases at the United States. But that changed four years ago when the Japanese prime minister at the time, Yukio Hatoyama, reneged on campaign pledges to move the bustling Marine air base at Futenma off Okinawa, rather than to a less populated site on the island as previous governments had approved. After that, many Okinawans shifted much of their anger toward the rest of Japan, which wants the United States military presence to offset China's growing power, but is unwilling to shoulder more of the burden of bases for fear of crime, noise and accidents.

Local leaders and scholars say the last time Okinawans spoke so openly of independence was during a period of sometimes violent unrest against American control before the United States ended its postwar occupation of the islands in 1972.

"There is a growing feeling that Okinawans just exchanged one colonial master in Washington for another one in Tokyo," said Shinako Oyakawa, 32, a doctoral student at the University of the Ryukyus and a co-founder of Okinawan Studies 107, a group promoting research into Ryukyuan ethnic identity.

Such discontent has helped nurture groups like hers, which seek to promote the idea that the islanders form a distinct ethnic group. It has also led to the creation of places like Ryukyu Hall, a privately run school that opened last year and offers classes on Okinawan language and culture.

On a recent weekend, about 30 people gathered at the school, a small, sparsely furnished two-story building, to hear accounts in the Ryukyuan language by survivors of the American invasion of Okinawa in 1945.

"Regaining our identity is the first step toward regaining independence," said Midori Teruya, 41, a co-founder of the school in Ginowan, the site of the Futenma air base.

The talk of independence has grown enough that it is being heard in Tokyo, where some conservative newspapers have begun calling the Okinawan independence activists "pawns" of China.

Whether or not the activists are pawns, there is certainly some discussion in China about using the independence movement. Recently, an editorial in The Global Times, a state-run Chinese newspaper, said China could pressure Japan by "fostering forces in Okinawa that seek the restoration of the independence of the Ryukyu chain."

Few believe China is about to pursue ownership of Okinawa. But Japanese analysts see the informal campaign as the latest gambit in China's attempts to take over the smaller group of islands, known as the Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, by essentially warning that China could expand its claims beyond those islands if Japan ignores its arguments.

"It will create problems for us if the Chinese government tries to use this issue," said Masaki Tomochi, a professor at Okinawa International University who helped organize the symposium on independence in May.

Mr. Tomochi and other activists said that in the remote event that Okinawa became independent, they felt little fear of a Chinese takeover because the Ryukyus had held friendly ties with China for centuries before the Japanese takeover.

Mr. Tomochi's group is planning a second symposium to present research on how Pacific island nations like Palau could serve as a model for a future Ryukyu republic. The idea is to try to overcome what he sees as the main challenge his movement faces: winning over Okinawans who seem content with their Japanese-style living standards.

"People are talking independence now, but how realistic is it?" asked Yoshinao Hiyane, 22, an economics major at Okinawa International University. "My generation has grown up Japanese."

At the movie screening in the market, independence supporters tried to bolster the notion that their idea is more than a fantasy by handing out color-copied "currency" of a Ryukyu republic. They stood before a blue banner with three stars that the organizer, Chosuke Yara, called its flag.

"Recently, the interests of the Japanese people and the Ryukyu people have clearly diverged," said Mr. Yara, 61, the head of the tiny Ryukyu Independence Party. "Independence is an idea whose time has come."
China should provide these activists funding and support, in much the same way certain other nations have supported the Tibetan cause.
 

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Most likely this would force the Japanese to reconsider their pact with U.S.A and with Abe in power this might actually happen in very near future.This is sad news for China, don't know why the Chinese posters are getting wet over it.
 
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Free Tibet being endorsed by a Chinese!
 

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Ah ! so you acknowledge that Tibet one day will be independent ?
Where did I make that claim? I stated that since other people seem intent on using Tibetan exiles and malcontents to try to break apart China, then China has every right to use Okinawan exiles and malcontents to break apart Japan...
 

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My school house had a flag :)



This quote from the article sums up the issue I think.
A quarter-century ago, Scottish devolution was summed up in that statement as well. Now, Scotland is voting for independence, and has its own separate parliament which looks to be backing out of NATO.

Even if this issue doesn't get a majority of Ryukyuans to support it, a large and vocal minority which persistently rejects the sovereignty of the Japanese state will create immense headaches for Tokyo. That is in China's long-term interest.

When (not if) the Japanese bond market crashes due to the inflationary pressure of Abenomics, China can add fuel to the fire by inciting Ryukyuans to demonstrate against central Japanese authority, and against the US military bases there in particular.
 

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Even if this issue doesn't get a majority of Ryukyuans to support it, a large and vocal minority which persistently rejects the sovereignty of the Japanese state will create immense headaches for Tokyo. That is in China's long-term interest.e only logical cou
What you are disregarding is the main issue of contention in the situation, i.e. presence of US bases on Okinawa. The 'vocal minority' is rallying behind this issue and the only logical course of action for Japan if this issue escalates would be to address it. This isn't about freedom from oppression and there is little that China or any foreign power can do about it. However, if China does try to interfere in this case there are far more places where Japan could do the same. Case in point:

Inside China: Hong Kong protests - Washington Times

Quoting from the article, this was China's response.

An elite unit of the Chinese army in Hong Kong wanted to send a message too: The army opened for public viewing all weapons storage sites, including several Type 056 warships that had been dispatched to Hong Kong for the occasion — a major show of force.
It is apparent that force is the only thing holding China together, if (when) an alliance opens several fronts of war against China then PRC will fall apart. The point is, China should think twice before thinking about interfering in other nation's internal affairs. Repercussions can be serious.
 
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What you are disregarding is the main issue of contention in the situation, i.e. presence of US bases on Okinawa. The 'vocal minority' is rallying behind this issue and the only logical course of action for Japan if this issue escalates would be to address it. This isn't about freedom from oppression and there is little that China or any foreign power can do about it. However, if China does try to interfere in this case there are far more places where Japan could do the same. Case in point:

Inside China: Hong Kong protests - Washington Times

Quoting from the article, this was China's response.
Actually, that's a misread - the decision to open the barracks and open up Type 56s for tours is more akin to the US Navy steaming through Long Island Sound than an implicit threat to use force. Any massive separatist protests would be dealt with by the MSS or MPS counterintelligence agents in the city before it ever got out of hand.

Also, what's to say that foreign powers already aren't covertly stirring up the pot in Hong Kong, as they have been documented to do in Taiwan, Xinjiang, and Tibet?

It is apparent that force is the only thing holding China together, if (when) an alliance opens several fronts of war against China then PRC will fall apart. The point is, China should think twice before thinking about interfering in other nation's internal affairs. Repercussions can be serious.
Considering that modern China arose out of 40 million fatalities over 18 years of total warfare (1931-1949), is it any wonder that China's conception of government is fundamentally Hobbesian?

And given that China has nuclear weapons, once other nations are using armed force to push China to the point of disintegration, do you think the government will stand idly by?
 

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A quarter-century ago, Scottish devolution was summed up in that statement as well. Now, Scotland is voting for independence, and has its own separate parliament which looks to be backing out of NATO.

Even if this issue doesn't get a majority of Ryukyuans to support it, a large and vocal minority which persistently rejects the sovereignty of the Japanese state will create immense headaches for Tokyo. That is in China's long-term interest.

When (not if) the Japanese bond market crashes due to the inflationary pressure of Abenomics, China can add fuel to the fire by inciting Ryukyuans to demonstrate against central Japanese authority, and against the US military bases there in particular.
So you foresee this happening in Okinawa but not Tibet?
 

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So you foresee this happening in Okinawa but not Tibet?
Oh, this could happen in Tibet just as much as it could in Okinawa - but the key difference there is that China's toolkit for suppressing ethnic disturbances is a lot bigger and more... effective, than Japan's is.
 

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Actually, that's a misread - the decision to open the barracks and open up Type 56s for tours is more akin to the US Navy steaming through Long Island Sound than an implicit threat to use force.Any massive separatist protests would be dealt with by the MSS or MPS counterintelligence agents in the city before it ever got out of hand.
Regardless of the actual agency that would handle the mob, I would agree with the author that it was indeed a show of force.

Also, what's to say that foreign powers already aren't covertly stirring up the pot in Hong Kong, as they have been documented to do in Taiwan, Xinjiang, and Tibet?
China's response has been on the expected lines, force.

And the scale of involvement could increase manifolds if China tries any misadventures. The bottom-line is that China is not as free to create mischief in other regions as many of the commentators here believe.

And given that China has nuclear weapons, once other nations are using armed force to push China to the point of disintegration, do you think the government will stand idly by?
That would be a no win scenario. Plus, nukes didn't help USSR.

Considering that China's intention is to gain land/leverage/resource in the region, any scenario ending in Nuclear Armageddon would be a strategic loss.

Oh, this could happen in Tibet just as much as it could in Okinawa - but the key difference there is that China's toolkit for suppressing ethnic disturbances is a lot bigger and more... effective, than Japan's is.
Let history be the judge of that :)
 
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Oh, this could happen in Tibet just as much as it could in Okinawa - but the key difference there is that China's toolkit for suppressing ethnic disturbances is a lot bigger and more... effective, than Japan's is.
effective in the short term, and not the long term
 

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I'm amazed at your capability of making almost every thread a Hong Kong or a Tibet!? Stay on topic pls.

I heard, in person a student perhaps from Shizuoka, told a bunch of Ryukyuans they weren't Japanese. My heart goes all out to our Ryukyu kinsmen many of whom have roots in FJ China. They were dealt with as subhumans under Imperial Japan and even now "Okinawa" is under developed.

I knew a girl from Yonakuni Island surprisingly close to Taiwan. Then how far is it fm Japan?

Let Ryukyuans be the masters of their fate.

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I'm amazed at your capability of making almost every thread a Hong Kong or a Tibet!? Stay on topic pls.

I heard, in person a student perhaps from Shizuoka, told a bunch of Ryukyuans they weren't Japanese. My heart goes all out to our Ryukyu kinsmen many of whom have roots in FJ China. They were dealt with as subhumans under Imperial Japan and even now "Okinawa" is under developed.

I knew a girl from Yonakuni Island surprisingly close to Taiwan. Then how far is it fm Japan?

Let Ryukyuans be the masters of their fate.

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Okinawa is farther to China compared to Taiwan. They why not let Taiwanese be the masters of their own fate? Why not the Tibetans be the masters of their own fate? The heart of the world already melted and flowing with the stories of how Tibetans are suffering.. Okinawans were once treated as sub-humans as you say. Then why doesn't your heart melt and go 'out all the way' for the Tibetans who were being treated as sub-human 'now' by the Chinese?
 

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Pushing Japan too much won't end well for China. Chinese power, like Chinese trinkets, is temporary. Japanese quality is long lasting. No Han, Ming, Mao is ever going to outshine Yamato.
 

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Chinese should know that they are poking too many neighbors and this will harm them very badly in the near future.
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/world/asia/in-okinawa-talk-of-break-from-japan-turns-serious.html



China should provide these activists funding and support, in much the same way certain other nations have supported the Tibetan cause.
very good sir, on one hand when other try to do so u cry like @#!#
but now you justify such actions, such way u will never become a responsible power but a power which is bound to fall it you continue such shruid actions.

Sorry, something better is expected from an emerging power, how can u say imperial japanese wrong what u too are going to repeat what they did in 19th and 20th century?
 

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