In Himalayan arms race, China one-ups India

[Ray]

Yes sir,

It is not necessarily life making hell.

Bengalis and Gujaratis are famed as domestic tourists.

Lala Denga had made life hell for IA. How many Indians know him including Bengalies? So is Manipur, so is Nagaland, so are Ahoms and Bodos....

The NE needs to be brought to the National cultural and more so the Economic Grid !

When I say Bengalies failed them what I mean is the fact that Bengalies were managing them but badly..... After all the lifeline of entire NE is Bengal and hence it was the responsibility of Bengal to prosper and let all others prosper! That is why every state in NE revolted against Bengalies. Still they can not do without Bengal but with lots of grudges. So respect for NE must start form Bengal !

We all know of La Denga.

I am sure you are not aware that Phizo's daughter is married to an officer of the Bihar Regiment!

Are you aware that the present CM of Mizoram, Pu Lal Thanhawla was a member of Mizo National Front, spent time in jail after which he joined Congress party in 1967 after he was released from jail?

Are you aware of the Reangs (Brus) of Mizoram who had clashes with the attempt to convert them?

Get to know the NE first.

Yes Bengalis (bureaucrats) and Marwaris (businessmen) have been targeted.

But what of it?

National Mainstream?

What is the National mainstream?

That which is North Indian culture?

The scams, the chicanery, the crass selfishness that is not known in the tribal belt?

Go to the tribal belt and you will realise.

 

[ani82v]

Pin pointing blame to only state is a big mistake.
If things were so much in control of Bengalis, the economy of Kolkata would not have eroded in 60s and 70s.

The fact of the matter is that Govts (both Central and state) has failed again and again in propping up the economy, for providing the necessary infra for NE to develop. There are not many highways and railway lines that connect NE to ROI. You can't blame Bengalis for that.

Yes there is Delhi centric approach but what has really failed NE is GoI's inefficiency in delivering to the people. And failing to deliver is something GoI is good at not just in NE but ROI too. You can see this as root cause of issues in Assam, lack of infra at China border, under-developed economies of NE states, less integration with ROI, etc. Instead of beating around the bush and finding other scape goats, its better to focus on the biggest problem.

 

[Bhadra]

The scams, the chicanery, the crass selfishness that is not known in the tribal belt?

You mean to say it is specefic to North India ?

No General. North India has still life left into it ! Every new idea, every revolt, all political changes all emanate from that cow belt which all others follow ! That includes caring for downtrodden and tribal !

 

[Ray]

The scams, the chicanery, the crass selfishness that is not known in the tribal belt?

You mean to say it is specefic to North India ?

No General. North India has still life left into it ! Every new idea, every revolt, all political changes all emanate from that cow belt which all others follow ! That includes caring for downtrodden and tribal !

Indeed!........................

WC Bonnerjee, Gandhi, Bose, all came from the North!

And calling NE people as Chinese is not exclusively a Northern phenomenon!

 

[roma]

time to give narendra a chance - upa has had enough time - they have achieved some , but is it worthy of all the time they had ? time to see what narendra can do

 

[Bhadra]

Indeed!........................

WC Bonnerjee, Gandhi, Bose, all came from the North!

And calling NE people as Chinese is not exclusively a Northern phenomenon!

It is beacuse of ignorance and non exposure.
By the way the language of Arunachal Paradesh is Hindi and majority of the teacher in Arunachal are from North India, Garhwal and Kumaon.
About 30 percent of Assam Rifles recruits are / used to be Garhwalies and Kumaoinies and another 30 per cent Gorkhas. Rest NE.

They are the ones who know NE.

 

[agentperry]

india got a formidable weapon- dalai lama. on its one command tibet will start burning in the civil war. forget about logistics between LAC and tibet bases talk about logistic supply between mainland china and indian lac with tibet in between

 

[no smoking]

india got a formidable weapon- dalai lama. on its one command tibet will start burning in the civil war. forget about logistics between LAC and tibet bases talk about logistic supply between mainland china and indian lac with tibet in between

You already got this "formidable weapon" for 60 years, guess what: this guy had to turn "peaceful" after his failed civil war in tibet from 1959 to 1972.
What is even morse worse: this weapon is dying and the best hope you can have is that you may have 50% of next generation of this weapon.
Please talking something in reality instead of dreaming on.

 

[agentperry]

You already got this "formidable weapon" for 60 years, guess what: this guy had to turn "peaceful" after his failed civil war in tibet from 1959 to 1972.
What is even morse worse: this weapon is dying and the best hope you can have is that you may have 50% of next generation of this weapon.
Please talking something in reality instead of dreaming on.

this is reality. the weapon is not dying so easy. if he dies then the peace slogan he sticks to will go away then india will have an upper hand in dealing with tibet.
the failed civil war and other things are irrelevant from indian point of view because here two things are changing- first india is concerned with its territory and not independence of tibet- so if tibet burns and china still holds it but loses many of its resources then india is only gaining.
second indian forces will be taking care of the border area when chinese forces are busy taming a revolt.

moreover we are seeing how china is controlling tibet and xingxiang. more or less they are china's very own afghanistan.

 

[Bhadra]

You already got this "formidable weapon" for 60 years, guess what: this guy had to turn "peaceful" after his failed civil war in tibet from 1959 to 1972.
What is even morse worse: this weapon is dying and the best hope you can have is that you may have 50% of next generation of this weapon.
Please talking something in reality instead of dreaming on.

It is not for nothing that Chinese are scarred of that peaceful weapons and have deployed about 300000 troops in and around Tibet to keep their hold over it.

 

[no smoking]

It is not for nothing that Chinese are scarred of that peaceful weapons and have deployed about 300000 troops in and around Tibet to keep their hold over it.

Where do you get your figure - 300000 troops?

Where do you get your information that the troops around tibet is to keep chinese hold over tibet?

 

[no smoking]

this is reality. the weapon is not dying so easy. if he dies then the peace slogan he sticks to will go away then india will have an upper hand in dealing with tibet.
the failed civil war and other things are irrelevant from indian point of view because here two things are changing- first india is concerned with its territory and not independence of tibet- so if tibet burns and china still holds it but loses many of its resources then india is only gaining.

The only condition they China will consume lots resources is that india must provide its own resources to the tibet insurgents. If india starts to supports tibeten war, China will have to arm those insurgents in india and then india will send its resources to Uyghur, and as a response, China will expand its aiding to more arm groups in india. Finally, the burning tibet will become an india-China burning contest. Do you still think that india is still gaining?

second indian forces will be taking care of the border area when chinese forces are busy taming a revolt.

Unfortunately, the chinese army at the border is not going anywhere as there are plenty of armed police taking care of this revolt. These armed police will get help from so called "red tibet" who has been benefited from the escape of their ex-masters: from land to house.

moreover we are seeing how china is controlling tibet and xingxiang. more or less they are china's very own afghanistan.

This kind of wishful thinking has been there for 60 years, the fact is that their prospect of victory becomes more and more remote.

 

[Ray]

You already got this "formidable weapon" for 60 years, guess what: this guy had to turn "peaceful" after his failed civil war in tibet from 1959 to 1972.
What is even morse worse: this weapon is dying and the best hope you can have is that you may have 50% of next generation of this weapon.
Please talking something in reality instead of dreaming on.

I don't think the Dalai Lama is India's weapon.

He is just a thorn in China's side and he has kept China busy.

Sinicisation or Hanisation of Tibet is not possible because of Dalai Lama.

The dangerous part to China is that in the event of any conflict, these Tibetans can work as fifth columnists!

 

[Bhadra]

Where do you get your figure - 300000 troops?

Where do you get your information that the troops around Tibet is to keep chinese hold over tibet?

The two military regions in and around Tibet constitute more than this number. If you add Xinjiang or East Turmenistan the numbers would be more.

If not with the intention of quelling rebellion then why should be they there. India is a peace loving country. China has no threat from India.

 

[Ray]

China Can Deploy 500,000 Troops on India Tibet Border

China can deploy 500,000 troops on India Tibet Border - Care2 News Network

 

[Ray]

China Can Deploy 500,000 Troops on India Tibet Border

China can deploy 500,000 troops on India Tibet Border - Care2 News Network

China now has the capability to deploy and sustain more than half-a-million troops for over a month on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in case of a high threat scenario with India.

While the government is tight-lipped about the presentation, the military brass told the PM that Chinese PLA has acquired the capability to deploy 34 troop divisions (one division has 23,000 troops) along the LAC in case of a high threat scenario by pulling out troops from Chengdu and Lanzhou military regions. When compared to the Indian strength of nine holding divisions along the northern borders, the PLA with a defence budget estimated at $150 billion holds overwhelming advantage.

Extension of Qinghai-Tibet Railway from Golmund to Lhasa and thereon to Shigatse (close to Sikkim). Rail connectivity is planned to link Kathmandu, Myanmar, Bhutan, Pakistan and Central Asian republics. Eleven new rail lines on the anvil in Tibet and Xinjiang for rapid deployment of PLA.

There are eight airfields in Tibet, including five operational ones; 18 air bases in Tibet and Xinjiang have the capability to put India under range of Sukhoi 27 aircraft.

Army warns PM: China can deploy 500,000 troops on LAC - Indian Express

 

[Ray]

China's armed forces must "stay absolutely loyal" to the party, especially on Tibet
On an inspection trip to the Himalayan region, Central Military Commission vice-chairman General Guo Boxiong urges troops to show absolute obedience. His remarks come ahead of an upcoming party congress that will consecrate a power transition at the top. Beijing fears losing military support, its last guarantee to maintain absolute power

The report did not specify the date of the visit, the exact location, or who accompanied Guo to the Himalayan region. However, it does betray the central government's fears vis-à-vis Tibet, a province that has not fully accepted integration into China since Mao's army occupied it.

As the Communist Party loses support, it has become increasingly reliant on the People's Liberation Army (PLA) to maintain its absolute power.

CHINA China's armed forces must "stay absolutely loyal" to the party, especially on Tibet - Asia News

The above are the indication of China's heavy reliance on the PLA to maintain law and order, especially in Tibet,and it also indicates the fear that the loyalty of the troops are wavering.

 

[agentperry]

The only condition they China will consume lots resources is that india must provide its own resources to the tibet insurgents. If india starts to supports tibeten war, China will have to arm those insurgents in india and then india will send its resources to Uyghur, and as a response, China will expand its aiding to more arm groups in india. Finally, the burning tibet will become an india-China burning contest. Do you still think that india is still gaining?



Unfortunately, the chinese army at the border is not going anywhere as there are plenty of armed police taking care of this revolt. These armed police will get help from so called "red tibet" who has been benefited from the escape of their ex-masters: from land to house.



This kind of wishful thinking has been there for 60 years, the fact is that their prospect of victory becomes more and more remote.

revolts have high entropy and maximum efficiency to break down the administration. the way to control the revolt of this kind is to kill tibeteans en masse which will surely bring lots of criticism internationally and anti-china movements. i wish to see how china will tame such a complex situation and yes insurgency and militancy causes lots of trouble to state machinery and resources.
regarding resources simple knives created a big scene in xingxiang province if im not wrong

 

[Ray]

Unfortunately, the chinese army at the border is not going anywhere as there are plenty of armed police taking care of this revolt. These armed police will get help from so called "red tibet" who has been benefited from the escape of their ex-masters: from land to house.



This kind of wishful thinking has been there for 60 years, the fact is that their prospect of victory becomes more and more remote.

The Chinese Govt and the CCP have made great efforts wherein money has been poured into Tibet, Chinese Communist propaganda has been instilled in the education, favours given to those who learn Mandarin and forsake Tibetan, having any number of children unlike in China where they are allowed only one child, and so on.

Even so, the Tibetans are not happy, and what is more, the Tibetans of Greater Tibet are also not happy and there are many events that indicate so.

This is a fact and this cannot be brushed under the carpet. It shows that the Tibetans are not ready to give up the singularity whether through allurement or force.

Yet, it is a dangerous situation for China.

China is already giving assistance to the Maoists and other insurgent groups, directly and through proxies. That is nothing new.

However, should a rebellion of some strength happens in Tibet, it will be put down by force and of that there is no doubt. But then, force cannot always win.

It will encourage others to also use the opportunity like the Uighurs and the Mongolians.

And then the fireworks will start.

India has no role to play.

It is a self combustion situation.

 

[agentperry]

if anyone of you go to dharamshala or to tawang then see yourself the tibetean determination to fight back. i have soo many pics sourced from tibeteans in china that shows that part of china which exist in reality and not the one flashed by the ccp. offcourse this comes from the tibeteans residing in china occupied tibet. if this can come and news can come then lot many things can happen. demchok. i wont say more