Imported Single Engine Fighter Jet Contest

[mikhail]

Can a lca mk 2 take on a f 16 blk 60

F-16 blk-60 is currently the most advanced version of the legendary aircraft which is being operated by U.A.E.,on the other hand LCA mk-2 is still on paper and i doubt it'll be a reality in the next couple of years!its like comparing apples with oranges.we should rather compare Tejas mk-2 with SAAB JAS 39 Gripen-NG(which is also a proposed upgraded version of the Gripen aircraft) as both of them are of similar capabilty although i would say that Gripen is slightly more advanced than the LCA mk-2

 

[vishwaprasad]

Can a lca mk 2 take on a f 16 blk 60

If it is a LUCKY day for Tajas and Pilot then only....

 

[ersakthivel]

If equiped with Meteor missiles(tejas mk-2 is going to have interfaces for integerating meteor missiles as per ADA chief Subramnium's statement) and asea radars Tejas mk-2 can very well take on F-16 block 60 any day any time regardless of the pilot's luck.

Tejas will detect and track F-16 first and can obtain a radar lock and firing solution well before F-16 does the same to tejas due to lower RCS of Tejas(even with external stores the cumulative RCs of Tejas will be less than that of F-16 ) and with the proposed ASEA radar.

 

[ersakthivel]

With the same asea and meteor combination TEjas can take on any heavy class or medium class of light class fighter that is presently operating in PLAF and PAF.

Since it is going to have the almost same radome dia and same meteor missile that RAFALE carries there is no bar on TEJAS's ability to do that.If it flies in mixed group with RAFALEs and SUKHOIS it can use their RADAR signals as a guide to it's air to air missiles in a net centric battlefield of tomorrow,

So in effect it is a great force multiplier while operating in mixed group or alone.

 

[maomao]

LCA can eat F-16 alive!

 

[vishwaprasad]

If equiped with Meteor missiles(tejas mk-2 is going to have interfaces for integerating meteor missiles as per ADA chief Subramnium's statement) and asea radars Tejas mk-2 can very well take on F-16 block 60 any day any time regardless of the pilot's luck.

Tejas will detect and track F-16 first and can obtain a radar lock and firing solution well before F-16 does the same to tejas due to lower RCS of Tejas(even with external stores the cumulative RCs of Tejas will be less than that of F-16 ) and with the proposed ASEA radar.

IF IF and IF....Let Tejas join service then we will talk... till then its an insult to VIPER for being compared with LCA...

 

[vishwaprasad]

LCA can eat F-16 alive!

Sorry to say but only in our dreams....

 

[manishhot]

Lca is useless

 

[DivineHeretic]

Tejas will detect and track F-16 first and can obtain a radar lock and firing solution well before F-16 does the same to tejas due to lower RCS of Tejas(even with external stores the cumulative RCs of Tejas will be less than that of F-16 ) and with the proposed ASEA radar.

Please post sources verifying your claims. The early f16c ie block 40 has a Rcs of 1.2m2. It is expected that the rcs of the block 60 will be atleast equal if not smaller than the block40. I seriously doubt the Tejas will manage an Rcs of under 1m2, which it must, according to your claims.

If the above condition is not satisfied, rather even if it is partially satisfied, your claim of first detection implies one of the two possible scenarios

1) either the radar cone of both the fighters is atleast same, or the tejas is bigger, which is simply not true

2) The T/R module quality and/or density and power of the modules of LCA will be better than that onboard the f16. It would be rather unrealistic to believe that the etlta2052 would match the performance module for module of the APG80, which is a recent development itself.

Its not like I wouldn't like the lca to match and even be superior to the block60. But ground reality is where we must stand on.

 

[Defenceindia2010]

LCA vs F16 Block 60, cannot say much as these two aircraft have never gone head to head. The F16 is a fine piece of machine which has been a tried and tested platform in service with USA, Nato allies for over 4 decades on the other hand the LCA was in conceptional stage when the F16 was put in service in the late 70's, what needs to be stressed is the need to put the LCA in production and produce them in numbers required by the IAF and prospective export market once it is in full use it will mature with time and the feedback from the user will enable the HAL to iron out all the remaining issues. I am sure that with highly trained pilots,(a good pilot is as good as the aircraft) and an LCA with regular upgrads in avionics, power pack, weapons, sensors the LCA will become a formidable platform.

 

[ADITYA MAYUKH]

Lca mk 2 is a fine piece of art and tech .it has the one of the finest airframe in world and with good radar and bvr it can outclass f 16 blk 60

 

[A chauhan]

Come on we are not going to pitch LCAs against F16s , MKI will handle them.

 

[DivineHeretic]

Come on we are not going to pitch LCAs against F16s , MKI will handle them.

A small point to be noted. Unlike Naval warfare, where in addition to the objective, one platform is marked or pitched against another platform, or in the army, where in the field engagements, different elements are designed and trained to pitch themselves against comparable or inferior elements, the AF tasking is done purely by the objective, be it AG strikes or CAPS or interceptor tasking. This means that an aircraft in the air could come against any other aircraft of the adversary. In our case, for eg. The SU30 might end up facing off against the j7 even, even though its biggest and preferred rival would be the f16.

As such, the query is not really an invalid one.

 

[maomao]

Sorry to say but only in our dreams....

Yeah in my dreams too.......But really, it will eat up everyone who doubts and make manishhot shyt his pants!

 

[roma]

LCA vs f16 ???????

as long as LCA can handle china J17 that in itself would be a thumping YES to the designers and manufacturers of LCA

just that achievement and folks like myself would say - "let's give the designers ( HAL ? ) another go" - "they have done well" !

 

[ersakthivel]

Please post sources verifying your claims. The early f16c ie block 40 has a Rcs of 1.2m2. It is expected that the rcs of the block 60 will be atleast equal if not smaller than the block40. I seriously doubt the Tejas will manage an Rcs of under 1m2, which it must, according to your claims.

If the above condition is not satisfied, rather even if it is partially satisfied, your claim of first detection implies one of the two possible scenarios

1) either the radar cone of both the fighters is atleast same, or the tejas is bigger, which is simply not true

2) The T/R module quality and/or density and power of the modules of LCA will be better than that onboard the f16. It would be rather unrealistic to believe that the etlta2052 would match the performance module for module of the APG80, which is a recent development itself.

Its not like I wouldn't like the lca to match and even be superior to the block60. But ground reality is where we must stand on.

According to an interview given by ADA chief LCA will have one of the lowest RCS for any non stealth fighter, It has been posted in TEJAS thread many times.And RCS reduction efforts were carried out at it's design phase itself.

But the F-16 has grown bigger from it's inroduction into service in 1970,with many upgrades and it's RCS would have increased as well

The F-16 has a bigger nose cone and radar than LCA, no arguments,
The more powerful radar of the viper vs the lesser Rcs of Tejas makes things somewhat equal is my assumption.

Ofcourse only when Tejas is deployed and all its specs are demonstrated to be accepted by others can we come to any meaningful conclusion.

 

[ersakthivel]

LCA vs f16 ???????

as long as LCA can handle china J17 that in itself would be a thumping YES to the designers and manufacturers of LCA

just that achievement and folks like myself would say - "let's give the designers ( HAL ? ) another go" - "they have done well" !

people seems to be afraid of the viper's reputation too much without rationalizing,

the mirage in IAf was supposed to counter the F-16s of PAF, The Tejas mk-1 is equal to Mirages of the IAf and MK-2 will have more weapon load.

So why is that LCA is inferior to F-16 without any discussion.

When LCA was designed there was no proposal from Pakistan to buy JF-17. SO tejas was not designed with JF-17 in mind either.

The RCS ,

asea radar detection and tracking range

and the air to air missiles along with AWACS support and electronic warfare capability will decide the winner , not just reputations and legends.

And even more important is the possibility of huge numbers of LCAs that can be deployed in IAf that can make a huge difference in any engagements making up for any small disparities between platforms.
If tejas is not able to take on PAf F-16 what is it doing in IAF?

 

[ersakthivel]

Lca is useless

It is not the first time you are doing this.

According to A.MUTHANNA the new chief of NTSE from IAf ,"Tejas deserves to be in squadron service and it is a fine fighting machine".

You know more than that?

your sole purpose is to expound this theory --"Lca is useless" with no facts to back it.

 

[ersakthivel]

IF IF and IF....Let Tejas join service then we will talk... till then its an insult to VIPER for being compared with LCA...

I thought that LCA was being developed for IAF with 40 planes in mk-1 and 80 plus planes in mk-2 version with firm orders for engines being placed.

Or Am I wrong? Since it is being developed in Asia which country's airforce is going to induct it if not IAf?

IS it being developed for PAF or PLAF?

 

[DivineHeretic]

According to an interview given by ADA chief LCA will have one of the lowest RCS for any non stealth fighter, It has been posted in TEJAS thread many times.And RCS reduction efforts were carried out at it's design phase itself.

But the F-16 has grown bigger from it's inroduction into service in 1970,with many upgrades and it's RCS would have increased as well

Lets not take claims by the ADA chief as hard facts please. He might be right, but it must be first proved in a verifiable manner. (Not to us, but to the IAF).


As regards your comment that the rcs of f16 has increased with induction of newer blocks, I tried but couldn't find a link to confirm your claim.

Finally about the rcs of tejas compensating for power difference of onboard radars..... For the APG80, the radar range is 110km+ for a 1m2 rcs target. It is very likely that the lca will have rcs around 1m2, that too in clean configuration.