IMPORTANT: Jammu and Kashmir removed from list of UN disputes

[johnee]

TR,
our media's reaction is deafening. To see that even our sensational media was managed by MEA shows that, this was a well-coordinated move. So, for the first time, Jai Ho to Obama. Bush gave us Nuke Deal. Obama hopefully will give use UNSC seat. I am starting to develop the same sense of entailment from US, that Pakistanis have.

 

[johnee]

Must be too embarrassing for them.

They already are failing in all spheres.

Kashmir is their last bastion against India and if that is also a no go, then what is Pakistan to live for?

I agree. If even this is taken away, Pakistan will not live. I mean UN resolution was the tune they have been singing. They are so addicted to it that they have forgotten everything else, now even this has been taken away...alas.

 

[johnee]

GoI should use this opportunity to the fullest, although we claim PoK as ours, but in subdued manner. There must be more noise about CoK (Chinese occupied K) and PoK.

Thats the next logical step, aint it! Well, Manmohan has earned my respect...

 

[smartindian]

UN Says Kashmir remains on UNSC's agenda


UNITED NATIONS, Nov 16 (APP):The Jammu and Kashmir dispute remains on the United Nations Security Council's agenda, a UN spokesman categorically stated Monday, while rejecting as "inaccurate" reports that it has been removed from the list of unresolved issues."Some articles today on Kashmir are inaccurate," UN Spokesman Farhan Haq said, referring to those reports. He said the latest list of matters the Security Council is seized of "continues to include the agenda item under which the Council has taken up Kashmir which, by a decision of the Council, remains on the list for this year," the spokesman added.


Earlier, a spokesman for the Pakistan Mission clarified that Pakistan's Acting Ambassador Amjad Hussain Sial, in his speech to the General Assembly on Friday, November 12 had referred to the omission of Jammu and Kashmir dispute in a statement by the President of the Security Council, and NOT from the Council's Annual Report-as reported in a section of press.
"The agenda item entitled, 'India and Pakistan Question', which covers Jammu and Kashmir dispute, is duly mentioned in the Annual Report of the Security Council and is also present on its agenda," Spokesman Mian

Jehangir Iqbal said in a statement. In his statement, the 15-member Council's President for the current month, British Ambassador Mark Lyall Grant, while presenting the Annual Report to the 192-member assembly, did not mention the Kashmir dispute in the context of unresolved long-running situations, despite the fact decades-old issue is included in the Annual Report.

"We understand this was an inadvertent omission, as Jammu and Kashmir is one of the oldest disputes on agenda of the Security Council," Ambassador Sial remarked, after Grant's statement. Meanwhile, Pakistan's UN Ambassador Abdullah Hussain Haroon, who is on a visit to Pakistan, said there was no question of the Kashmir issue being dropped from the Council's agenda. "The Security Council Report in its annexures is explicit," he said in a statement.
"The President of the Security Council, the Permanent Representative of the UK, is amply clear on the subject and is cognizant of the matter. I would request all concerned not to speculate unnecessarily upon the subject"

 

[smartindian]

^^^^pakistani beggars are jumping in excitement,that un as announced that J&K belong to pakistan , disputed or un-disputed J&K is integral part of India, which country or which power in world has guts to take kashmir from us

 

[ajtr]

Pak mission behind an 'omission'
- Envoy digs up buried issue in last-gasp bid to internationalise Kashmir​

K.P. NAYAR

New York, Nov. 15: Pakistan's acting permanent representative to the UN, Amjad Hussain Sial's pretension in the General Assembly last Thursday that "an inadvertent omission" in the annual report of the Security Council had left out Kashmir as "one of the oldest disputes on agenda of the Security Council" is a desperate attempt by Islamabad to revive the issue in the UN.

Pakistan sees its hope of once again internationalising the dispute through the UN fade rapidly as India prepares to join the Security Council for a two-year term next January and campaigns for a permanent seat in the council, a claim now endorsed by US President Barack Obama.

But by admitting in a General Assembly speech that the UN was no longef tr seized ohe Kashmir issue, instead of lobbying quietly for its re-inclusion, Sial has alerted the world to Pakistan's predicament and may have seriously damaged his country's pet cause against India.

A thorough review of UN records by this reporter following Sial's statement has revealed that throughout this new millennium the annual reports of the Security Council had never even once mentioned Kashmir by name.

A review of the secretary-general's annual report on the work of the UN has also not cited the Kashmir dispute since 2005. In that last year when Kashmir figured in the report, it was only in the context of welcoming a resumption of bilateral dialogue between India and Pakistan, a reference that was favourable to New Delhi.

A European ambassador to the UN, echoing the near-unanimous view at the UN, told this reporter today that as an issue before the world body, Kashmir was "dead as a dodo". Kofi Annan had admitted when he was secretary-general that Security Council resolutions on Kashmir "cannot be enforced and are not self-implementable".

The latest Security Council report, the subject of Sial's pretension, does not mention Kashmir by name even when a passing reference to the Indian state would have been routine in the course of the council's work. In a reflection of general weariness at the way Islamabad continues to revive this "dead dodo", the report curiously used the euphemism "the India Pakistan question" when Kashmir actually cropped up in an obscure communication.

The mention of "the India Pakistan question" surfaced in a chapter on "Matters brought to the attention of the Security Council but not discussed at meetings of the Council during the period covered" in Part V of the 230-page annual report.

It was occasioned by a letter from Syria's permanent representative to the UN, Bashar Jaafari, to secretary-general Ban Ki-moon merely conveying the final communiqué of an annual meeting of foreign ministers of the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) in New York last year.

Although Syria is a friend of India's, Jaafari had to send the communication to Ban in his capacity as chair of the OIC group in New York. The communiqué called for implementation of UN resolutions on Kashmir, but it was quietly filed away by whoever received it here and no action was taken.

In New Delhi, the ministry of external affairs said "we condemn and reject" the OIC communiqué, adding that "the OIC has no locus standi in matters concerning India's internal affairs."

UN reports continue to mention the UN Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP) set up under UN resolutions, but notes that there were no resolutions about it in 2009-2010.

The Pakistani diplomat who spoke in the General Assembly last week may have had no option in the matter. It is the policy of the Asif Zardari government and the present leadership of the army in Rawalpindi to do everything possible to internationalise Kashmir. But at the UN at least, it is strategy that is failing, at least for now.

 

[ajtr]

UN Says Kashmir remains on UNSC's agenda


UNITED NATIONS, Nov 16 (APP):The Jammu and Kashmir dispute remains on the United Nations Security Council's agenda, a UN spokesman categorically stated Monday, while rejecting as "inaccurate" reports that it has been removed from the list of unresolved issues."Some articles today on Kashmir are inaccurate," UN Spokesman Farhan Haq said, referring to those reports. He said the latest list of matters the Security Council is seized of "continues to include the agenda item under which the Council has taken up Kashmir which, by a decision of the Council, remains on the list for this year," the spokesman added.


Earlier, a spokesman for the Pakistan Mission clarified that Pakistan's Acting Ambassador Amjad Hussain Sial, in his speech to the General Assembly on Friday, November 12 had referred to the omission of Jammu and Kashmir dispute in a statement by the President of the Security Council, and NOT from the Council's Annual Report-as reported in a section of press.
"The agenda item entitled, 'India and Pakistan Question', which covers Jammu and Kashmir dispute, is duly mentioned in the Annual Report of the Security Council and is also present on its agenda," Spokesman Mian

Jehangir Iqbal said in a statement. In his statement, the 15-member Council's President for the current month, British Ambassador Mark Lyall Grant, while presenting the Annual Report to the 192-member assembly, did not mention the Kashmir dispute in the context of unresolved long-running situations, despite the fact decades-old issue is included in the Annual Report.

"We understand this was an inadvertent omission, as Jammu and Kashmir is one of the oldest disputes on agenda of the Security Council," Ambassador Sial remarked, after Grant's statement. Meanwhile, Pakistan's UN Ambassador Abdullah Hussain Haroon, who is on a visit to Pakistan, said there was no question of the Kashmir issue being dropped from the Council's agenda. "The Security Council Report in its annexures is explicit," he said in a statement.
"The President of the Security Council, the Permanent Representative of the UK, is amply clear on the subject and is cognizant of the matter. I would request all concerned not to speculate unnecessarily upon the subject"

seems celebrations were too quick here..... Farhan haq is the same guy who faked Ban ki moon's press release on kashmir back in june which resulted in sort of clash between UNO head and Ministry of external affairs.

 

[civfanatic]

seems celebrations were too quick here..... Farhan haq is the same guy who faked Ban ki moon's press release on kashmir back in june which resulted in sort of clash between UNO head and Ministry of external affairs.

The damage has already been done...

 

[ajtr]

The damage has already been done...

there is no damage except for the 24 hrs of celebration by incessant indian media.well it sure poured cold waters over the hopes of jingoes on both sides of wagah for sometime.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

If Pakistan keeps upsetting USA the next thing will be Baluchistan will be disputed territory.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

http://gantdaily.com/2010/11/16/india-hails-pakistan-fumes-at-kashmirs-exclusion-from-un-list/

India Hails, Pakistan Fumes At Kashmir's Exclusion From UN List

AHN News Staff
New York, United States (AHN) – The United Nations has delivered a blow to Pakistan's ambitions on Kashmir in deciding to remove the disputed Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir from its list of unresolved disputes.
The development drew a protest Monday from the Pakistani envoy to the U.N., Amjad Hussain B Sial. Pakistan has regularly asking the international body to intervene in the controversy.
Speaking at the General Assembly during a discussion on Security Council reforms, Sial said, "Jammu and Kashmir was not mentioned in the context of unresolved long-running situations. We understand this was an inadvertent omission, as Jammu and Kashmir is one of the oldest disputes on agenda of the Security Council." The discussion was organized by the United Kingdom, which is presiding over the Security Council this month.
India has hailed the exclusion of J&K from the list of unresolved international disputes. Minister of State for External Affairs, Preneet Kaur, while speaking to reporters on Monday said, "We have always firmly maintained that Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of India"¦this is a very welcome step and we hope that in same way the U.N. addresses our bilateral issues."
It has been Pakistan's perennial stand to ask the U.N. to intervene into the matter and help it resolve with India, while India remains of the view the Kashmir issue must be bilaterally resolved between the two neighbors. Sial's opposition came after it was found that Kashmir did not figure in the recent annual report of the Security Council presented to the General Assembly.
The issue came to light when, mentioning disputed land issues throughout the world, the UK envoy to the U.N., Mark Lyall Grant did not name Kashmir as one of them. Grant said, "Some long-running situations, including in the Middle East, Cyprus and Western Sahara remain unresolved, as do issues where the Council has become engaged in recent years, including Nepal and Guinea Bissau." He further added that "huge challenges" remained unaddressed in countries such as Sudan, Somali and the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC).
Some time ago, U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said the international body would wait until asked to intervene and would not intervene unless asked by both the parties. In October, Ban said, "As far as this role of good offices is concerned, the United Nations normally takes that initiative when requested by both parties concerned."
Significantly, the UK also reiterated its support for India's candidature as a permanent member of the Security Council during the debate in the General Assembly.
This time, it was deputy envoy Philip Parham, who said that keeping within the structure of the Security Council, the UK remained supportive of Brazil, Germany, India and Japan, as well as permanent representation for Africa.
The India-Pakistan question over Kashmir has not found mention in Security Council reports since 2000.

 

[hit&run]

Whatever the case may be.

The whole issue has proved that International community has no appetite for Pakistani rants. We should be rest assured that whenever Pakistan shed its crocodile tears about Kashmir its not the Internationalization of the dispute. Time to change the definition.

Indian foreign policy proactive or not proactive, working well or not working well, but many things are here to be learnt. Govt. in power and Kashmir Interlocutors should not give creditability to any Pakistani claim/role as legitimate. Pakistan is a nuisance only; for rest of the world and same should be India's assessment vis a vis Kashmir. It will remain so even if the issue will be resolved to the likes of Pakistan. We can fix all the internal problems the way we want without any apprehensions; to how international community will react (earlier the better). At the same time we can afford to put so called bilateral talk (which is primarily to negotiate how and when Pakistan is going to leave POK) in deep freezer for next 10-20 years.

This issue has shown many encouraging markers, if Govt. of India can see.

 

[civfanatic]

there is no damage except for the 24 hrs of celebration by incessant indian media.well it sure poured cold waters over the hopes of jingoes on both sides of wagah for sometime.

UN is not the kind of organization that can afford to slip up and make a "mistake" over something like a territorial dispute between nuclear-armed states. The omission of Kashmir from the U.N. list of disputes, IMHO, was wholly intentional.

Of course, Kashmir is still on the U.N's "agenda" because the U.N., for the sake of its own credibility, cannot just "forget" about a territorial dispute.

But what this whole debacle proved is that the world no longer takes Pakistan's claims seriously - hence the sly exclusion of Kashmir.

I hope you understand what I am saying; I am not very good at putting my complex ideas into words

 

[ajtr]

UN is not the kind of organization that can afford to slip up and make a "mistake" over something like a territorial dispute between nuclear-armed states. The omission of Kashmir from the U.N. list of disputes, IMHO, was wholly intentional.

Of course, Kashmir is still on the U.N's "agenda" because the U.N., for the sake of its own credibility, cannot just "forget" about a territorial dispute.

But what this whole debacle proved is that the world no longer takes Pakistan's claims seriously - hence the sly exclusion of Kashmir.

I hope you understand what I am saying; I am not very good at putting my complex ideas into words

Major farce was created in UN secretary general Ban ki moon and Indian govt when the pakistani origin UN secretary general's spokesperson defends Farhan Haq has issued his own statement condemning india on brutality in kashmir terming it as press briefing of Ban ki moon in June 2010 when the UN.

Ban Ki Moon did not make Kashmir remarks?

Ban Ki Moon denies his statement on Kashmir​

On Jul 29, a statement was released by Farhan Haq. a spokesperson of Ban Ki-Moon, Secretary General, U.N. expressing concern over the unrest in Kashmir and calling for "utmost restraint" on all concerned. The Ministry of External Affairs, Government of India, took a serious objection to the purported statement of the Secretary General. Now the U.N. have come out with a denial stating that the statement was "just guidance, and not a formal statement".

Diplomatic feud over Kashmir remarks grips United Nations​

UN defends Pak-origin aide over Kashmir row

So slips ups does occur in UN too.Its not free of vested interests groups and lobbies of various countries.

And biggest Farce was committed in UNO wrt to iraq war and bangladesh genocide.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...ps-kashmir-from-pending-disputes-list_1467275

Separatists fume as UN drops Kashmir from pending disputes list

Separatists are seething over the United Nations' (UN's) decision to drop Jammu and Kashmir from a list of long-pending international disputes.

The Hurriyat Conference led by Mirwaiz Umar Farooq has asked secretary general Ban Ki-moon to clarify UN position on the issue since its security council has adopted 18 resolutions on Kashmir.

"I think there is some technical mistake. Otherwise, it is not possible to drop Kashmir from the list. Around 18 resolutions have been adopted by the UN on Kashmir. How can they deny it now?" Mirwaiz said.

The moderate Hurriyat chairman said the UN could not shrug its Kashmir responsibility, particularly since its military observers group in India and Pakistan was stationed on both sides of the line of control.
"In such a scenario, it is highly impossible for the UN to drop Kashmir. I sincerely believe it is a mistake and they will have to rectify it. The UN secretary general should step in and clear the air," he said.

The hardline faction of Hurriyat led by Syed Ali Shah Geelani also exuded hope that the UN would rectify the "mistake".

"We got a call from reliable sources that the dropping of Kashmir from the list was a mistake committed inadvertently. Pakistan too has lodged a complaint, which has been accepted," Ayaz Akbar, spokesman for the Geelani-led Hurriyat, said.

Akbar said there was no question of the UN backing out on Kashmir. "It is a mistake and a big mistake. We have got a phone call that the UN is rectifying it," he said.

Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front chairman Yasin Malik, who spearheads a campaign for independent Jammu and Kashmir, said they were verifying details. "We are trying to find out whether it is a technical error. Unless we get details we cannot comment," he said.

Media reports suggested Pakistan had lodged a complaint saying the UN decision was equivalent to negation of the "indigenous freedom movement of Kashmiris".

 

[RPK]

UN OFFICIAL SOURCE.




Highlights of the Noon Briefing

KASHMIR REMAINS ON SECURITY COUNCIL AGENDA: Asked about media reports suggesting that Kashmir had been removed from a list of Security Council agenda items, the Spokesperson said that the authors of the media articles may have only looked at the most recent addendum to the Summary statement of matters on which the Security Council is seized, which publishes only the list of matters which have been considered in a formal meeting since 1 Jan. 2007. They missed in that addendum a paragraph explaining that the full list appears in Add.9 of Mar. 2010. That list continues to include the agenda items which the Council has taken up, including Kashmir, which, by a decision of the Council, remains on the list for this year.

 

[Rage]

I'm bumping this thread for those who've not read it.

 

[A.V.]

WOW i ddint see this thread before , thanks a lot rage , i can understand the stapled visa episode and all this a big gameplay going on