Imam of China's largest mosque killed in Xinjiang

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Interesting video.

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This is what China should sing to Pakistan.
 
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Killing Mongols, Tajiks and Kazaks?

If they are with the occupying Hans, then what option do you think they should adopt?
What option do they have?
How about accepting these Mongols, Tajiks and Kazaks have the same right living in this area?
How about admitting this land is not the home for Uighur alone?
How about accepting these Mongols, Tajiks and Kazaks have the right of not choosing the side?

No, Ray, these Mongols, Tajiks and Kazaks were not with Hans from the beginning, they kept being neutral until Uighurs put them into target list.
 

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What option do they have?
How about accepting these Mongols, Tajiks and Kazaks have the same right living in this area?
How about admitting this land is not the home for Uighur alone?
How about accepting these Mongols, Tajiks and Kazaks have the right of not choosing the side?

No, Ray, these Mongols, Tajiks and Kazaks were not with Hans from the beginning, they kept being neutral until Uighurs put them into target list.
They have indeed a right to stay there since they have lived for ages.

But if they connive, then the situation is different or so it appears.
 

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They have indeed a right to stay there since they have lived for ages.

But if they connive, then the situation is different or so it appears.
That is very lovely answer! You just justify any CCP activity you condemned:
These Uighur have indeed a right to enjoy their autonomy there. But if they decide to pursuit this autonomy by killing everyone else, then don't complain of being killed by everyone else.
When Uighur decide turning to violence, what option do others have?
 

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Probably OT here, but why is Ramadam/Ramzan banned in China?
 

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The original article from BBC states that Ramzam was banned n China, so there must be reason to the same. Maybe I can be pointed to a neutral source that idicules this opinion.
 

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The original article from BBC states that Ramzam was banned n China, so there must be reason to the same. Maybe I can be pointed to a neutral source that idicules this opinion.
BBC didn't tell you this Imam was killed at the end of Ramadan.
 

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That is very lovely answer! You just justify any CCP activity you condemned:
These Uighur have indeed a right to enjoy their autonomy there. But if they decide to pursuit this autonomy by killing everyone else, then don't complain of being killed by everyone else.
When Uighur decide turning to violence, what option do others have?
That is where you Chinese Mainlanders go wrong in your logic and assessment because you are so enamoured in self.

Human Rights means everyone has the right to stay where one's family has inhabited for ages. Therefore, Tajiks etc cannot be ousted.

But if these people work negatively with what is seen to be an 'occupier' (Han) by those whose homeland it is, then these people who are collaborators if lessoned cannot be taken to be a violation of human rights, since the human rights of the majority, who are being swamped, are being violated.
 

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That is where you Chinese Mainlanders go wrong in your logic and assessment because you are so enamoured in self.

Human Rights means everyone has the right to stay where one's family has inhabited for ages. Therefore, Tajiks etc cannot be ousted.

But if these people work negatively with what is seen to be an 'occupier' (Han) by those whose homeland it is, then these people who are collaborators if lessoned cannot be taken to be a violation of human rights, since the human rights of the majority, who are being swamped, are being violated.
Well, the land was belong to Oirat Mongols before The Zunghar genocide.

Zunghar genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Zunghar genocide was the mass extermination of the Zunghar people by the Qing dynasty of China. The Qing Manchu Qianlong Emperor ordered the extermination to punish the Zunghar leader Amursana's rebellion against Qing rule after the Qing first conquered the Zunghar Khanate with Amursana's support before he rebelled in 1755. The genocide was carried out mainly by Manchu Bannermen and Khalkha, who were part of the Qing force sent to crush the Zunghars. Uyghurs from Turfan like Emin Khoja who were vassals and allies of the Qing, helped supply Qing forces during their war against the Zunghars. After wiping out the native Zunghar population of Dzungaria, the Qing then resettled Han Chinese, Hui, Uyghur, and Xibe on state farms in Dzungaria along with Manchu Bannermen to repopulate the area.

The Oirats converted to Tibetan Buddhism around 1615. The Zunghars were a confederation of several Oirat tribes that emerged suddenly in the early 17th century. The Zunghar Khanate was the last great nomadic empire in Asia. In the 18th century, the Dzungars were annihilated by Qianlong Emperor in several campaigns. About 80% of the Zunghar population, or around 500,000 to 800,000 people, were killed during or after the Manchu conquest in 1755–1757.[2] Some scholars estimate that about 80% of the Zunghars population (600,000 or more) were destroyed by a combination of warfare and disease during the Qing conquest of Zunghar Khanate in 1755–1757.[3]
 
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Well, the land was belong to Oirat Mongols before The Zunghar genocide.

Zunghar genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Zunghar genocide was the mass extermination of the Zunghar people by the Qing dynasty of China. The Qing Manchu Qianlong Emperor ordered the extermination to punish the Zunghar leader Amursana's rebellion against Qing rule after the Qing first conquered the Zunghar Khanate with Amursana's support before he rebelled in 1755. The genocide was carried out mainly by Manchu Bannermen and Khalkha, who were part of the Qing force sent to crush the Zunghars. Uyghurs from Turfan like Emin Khoja who were vassals and allies of the Qing, helped supply Qing forces during their war against the Zunghars. After wiping out the native Zunghar population of Dzungaria, the Qing then resettled Han Chinese, Hui, Uyghur, and Xibe on state farms in Dzungaria along with Manchu Bannermen to repopulate the area.

The Oirats converted to Tibetan Buddhism around 1615. The Zunghars were a confederation of several Oirat tribes that emerged suddenly in the early 17th century. The Zunghar Khanate was the last great nomadic empire in Asia. In the 18th century, the Dzungars were annihilated by Qianlong Emperor in several campaigns. About 80% of the Zunghar population, or around 500,000 to 800,000 people, were killed during or after the Manchu conquest in 1755–1757.[2] Some scholars estimate that about 80% of the Zunghars population (600,000 or more) were destroyed by a combination of warfare and disease during the Qing conquest of Zunghar Khanate in 1755–1757.[3]
The Yuezhi or Rouzhi (Chinese: 月氏; pinyin: Yuèzhī) were an ancient Indo-European people were the settlers often identified with the Tókharoi (Τοχάριοι) of Classical sources. They were originally settled in the arid grasslands of the eastern Tarim Basin area, in what is today Xinjiang and western Gansu, in China, before they migrated to Transoxiana, Bactria and then northern South Asia, where one branch of the Yuezhi founded the Kushan Empire.



The first known references to the Yuezhi are contained in the Yizhoushu, Guanzi and Tale of King Mu, Son of Heaven. The dates of the most common version of this book are disputed, however, and it may date to as late as the 1st century BCE. Unlike the neighbouring Xiongnu dynasty, who were also nomadic, the Yuezhi did not engage in conflict with the nearby Chinese states. Rather, the book described the Yuzhi 禺氏, or Niuzhi 牛氏, as a people from the northwest who supplied jade to the Chinese.

Yuezhi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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The Yuezhi or Rouzhi (Chinese: 月氏; pinyin: Yuèzhī) were an ancient Indo-European people were the settlers often identified with the Tókharoi (Τοχάριοι) of Classical sources. They were originally settled in the arid grasslands of the eastern Tarim Basin area, in what is today Xinjiang and western Gansu, in China, before they migrated to Transoxiana, Bactria and then northern South Asia, where one branch of the Yuezhi founded the Kushan Empire.



The first known references to the Yuezhi are contained in the Yizhoushu, Guanzi and Tale of King Mu, Son of Heaven. The dates of the most common version of this book are disputed, however, and it may date to as late as the 1st century BCE. Unlike the neighbouring Xiongnu dynasty, who were also nomadic, the Yuezhi did not engage in conflict with the nearby Chinese states. Rather, the book described the Yuzhi 禺氏, or Niuzhi 牛氏, as a people from the northwest who supplied jade to the Chinese.

Yuezhi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yuezhi is ~1500 years too early ...
It belongs to the early history of XinJiang.
 
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The Uyghurs historically formed the largest population group in the Central Asian region.

The Uyghurs and their ancestors established their reign under the rule of the Huns (second century B.C.E. to second century C.E.), the Jurjan (third century to fifth century C.E.), and the Turkish empires (522 to 744 C.E.).

The Uyghurs also established their own states throughout history; these included the Uyghur Ali (744 to 840 C.E.), the ld'iqut Uyghur (605-840 to 1250), the Uyghur Qarakhan (tenth to thirteenth century), the Uyghur Chaghatay (thirteenth to sixteenth centuy), the Yarkant Uyghur Khanate (1514-1678), the Qumul and Turpan Uyghur Baks (from the end of the seventeenth century to the beginning of the nineteenth century), and finally the Yakup Bak (1820-1877), which lasted until the Qing invasion. The Uyghurs reclaimed Uyghur-Iand as the Republic of Eastern Turkistan in 1933 and as the Eastern Turkistan Republic in 1944-1949.

http://www.sino-platonic.org/complete/spp150_uyghurs.pdf




Between the 8th and 12th centuries, the Muslim Uighurs controlled much of Inner and Outer Mongolia, as well as what is now Xinjiang.

The Qing Dynasty ruled from 1644 to 1912 with a brief, abortive restoration in 1917
 
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The Uyghurs historically formed the largest population group in the Central Asian region.
Then, they can claim for the whole Central Asia now(by your logic).
 
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