Illegal immigration from Bangladesh has turned Assam explosive

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we now have information that Bangladesh is sending its intelligence to North Eastern region to help its illegal civilians living in that region. they are also supplied small to big arms by the Bangladeshi government, including bombing materials which may harm the Indian military based of North East region too, if required. its more look like Bangladesh is willing to use its illegal immigrants of North East as an arm against India, and hence sending their intelligent/military personal too to live with these Bangladeshi infiltrators for the set purposes in this regard :ranger:

At least 11 killed in clashes in India's northeast

GUWAHATI, India: At least 11 people have been killed in clashes between police and tribal groups opposed to ongoing local elections in India's northeastern state of Assam, police said on Tuesday. :bd:

"The situation is very critical and so far we have reports that 11 people are dead and about six are injured," Bhupen Bora, a senior police official, told AFP. :bd:

The clashes were reported in Goalpara around 120 kilometres from the state's main city Guwahati.

Bora said nine of the dead were killed in police firing when two tribes opposing the elections started torching villages and attacked government officials. :bd:

"The Rabha and Hasong tribes want autonomy, they reject government rule in the district," said Bora.

Northeast India has seen decades of friction among ethnic and separatist groups, although some rebels have recently started peace talks with the government.

More than 10,000 people have lost their lives to unrest in the tea- and oil-rich state of Assam over the last two decades.

At least 11 killed in clashes in India's northeast | World | DAWN.COM
 

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Permanent Visa on Arrival for Bangladeshis in Italy and US:

I have favored "Permanent Visa on Arrival" for Bangladeshis in Italy and US. as its simply make no sense that an Italian woman would help these Bangladeshis come to India in behalf of US's government and hence create problem for Indians this way. I have seen many Italian waitresses in Sydney who just want to get settled in australia someway, and keep smiling on anyone come to these Cafe's there. so we hope, Permanent Visa on arrival for Bangladeshi men in Italy, US will also help these Italian women get settled in Italy itself, as 2nd/3rd or 4th wife of Bangladeshi men and hence giving a boost to the Italian economy also this way :thumb:

Cops attacked during raid on Bangladeshis
February 26, 2013

A sub-inspector and a constable were attacked by a mob of around 20 when they tried to nab illegal migrants in Navi Mumbai, police said.

Mumbai Special Branch-I wing sub-inspector S Bandekar and constable S B Lande are currently undergoing treatment at a private hospital in Mulund, police said.

Acting on a tip-off, Bandekar, along with his team went to Mankhurd late on Sunday night where they caught a man identified as Mohammed Samshed from Bangladesh, police said.

During interrogation, Samshed revealed that some more Bangladeshis, who have been staying illegally, could be found in Kharghar, Navi Mumbai.

Bandekar and his men drove to Kharghar where they caught eight more people suspected to be Bangaldeshis. With further information, Bandekar decided to raid nearby Ovale village also.

"Bandekar left the eight Bangladeshis, a constable and a driver at Kharghar and walked up to Ovale village. He was accompanied by Samshed and four constables including two females," an officer said.

In the meantime, a group of about 20 people freed the eight detained, then reached Ovale village and attacked Bandekar and constable Lande around 2.30 am. An FIR has been registered at Kharghar Police Station.

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Bandh disrupts normal life in Northeast
Sep 6, 2012

Normal life was today disrupted in Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland and Arunachal Pradesh due to a 12-hour bandh called by the North East Students' Organisation to protest "harassment" of students from the region in other parts of the country and influx of illegal migrants.

Shops, markets, business establishments, government and private offices, banks and education institutions were mostly closed in the four states due to the bandh which began this morning, according to official reports.

A massive rally was organised in Guwahati in Assam where NESO chairman Samujjal Bhattacharjee said, "Former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi signed the Assam Accord in 1985, but Sonia Gandhi, the UPA chairperson, has failed to implement it and stop illegal migration.

"Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who represents Assam in Parliament, has also failed in this context,"
he alleged.

He blamed Assam Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi for trivialising the issue and said that the recent exodus of students and professionals to the Northeast following the riots in lower Assam was the outcome of the government's apathy.

"This is not a Hindu-Muslim issue, but the problem is due to illegal migration from Bangladesh and our movement will continue till our demands and all illegal migrants, irrespective of religion who have come after 1971 leave," he said.

The Guwahati rally was attended by 26 student organisations.

The NESO demanded immediate detection and deportation of illegal Bangladeshis from the North East, updating of the National Register of Citizens and its completion before the next Lok Sabha polls, sealing of the India-Bangladesh border before the next Lok Sabha polls and no land settlements of migrants who arrived after 1971 in Kokrajhar, Chirang, Dhubri and Bongaigaon districts in Assam.

A report from Imphal said that transport services in Manipur and with neighbouring states were also cancelled with roads in the state capital deserted and people remaining indoors. Attendance in government and private offices was nil.

In Nagaland, all shops and business establishments in the capital town of Kohima and the commercial town of Dimapur remained closed while the bandh hit normal traffic on the roads.

Attendance was thin in government offices, banks and financial institutions across the state.

Schools and colleges remained closed as the state government declared a holiday.

In Arunachal Pradesh, the bandh was total in all the districts of the state.

In Mizoram, normal life was completely disrupted in the capital city of Aizawl with all government offices, banks, financial institutions, educational institutions and shops and business establishments closed.

Left Front ruled-Tripura was free from the shutdown with the NESO not having any organisation in the state.

Addressing the rally, Northeast MP Forum General Secretary Biren Baishya said that the issue of illegal migration from Bangladesh was raised several times in Parliament and would also be raised in future.

"We have been always telling the central government that this is not the problem of Assam or Northeast alone, but the entire country and we must save Assam today to save India tomorrow," he said.

He also said that it was the responsibility of the government to provide security to people of the Northeast living across the country.
NESO vice-chairman and Mizo Student leader S Khunte said that the Northeast was united on the issue of deportation of Bangladeshis.

"The problem faced recently by the Northeast people in mainland India was due to the government's failure to check migration and deport Bangladeshis from the country," he said.

Nagaland Students' Federation Advisor NSN Lotha said "there is no place for Bangladeshis in the Northeast and if the government fails to deport them, indigenous people have to step in and carry the movement forward as their identity is under threat." :ranger:

The rally was also addressed by NESO leaders from Manipur, Meghalaya and Arunachal Pradesh and a protest march was taken out later.

Bandh disrupts normal life in Northeast - India - DNA

India is a Non-Religious Country with Hindu Majority

While discussing the key issues, we must confirm that India is not a religious country, but its a Non-Religious country with Hindu Majority. there is no law of India which makes difference between people based on religion-race. India is not the country where only a person of majority community may get the highest position, like how we see in other countries including in Western Nations. India is the country where a person of any religion may become the IAS topper, top bureaucrat, Top Judge, President, Prime Minister, Chief Minister, Top Diplomat etc, no matter what is his/her religious background. like how we find Minority Sikhs/Muslims have been on the position of Indian Prime Minister, President, Top Diplomat, Top Judge etc. India is not a country where belonging to the majority, means for holding the high positions/ high respect, similar to majority of other countries where only a person of Majority community gets the high position......

But the above key things, which form base of India, the nation, doesn't means for inviting the enemies in the internal affair of India. those people who are belonging to the anti-India background, can't be given a place in Indian society, as we do need to defend the nation, India, as explained in the above paragraph. as a person, I have been in support of having a Sikh President, PM, Top Diplomat, Bureaucrat etc, and also I was in support of Operation Blue Star on the Golden Temple, if it was required to handle the militants hidden there, if the government was left with no other option other than put military in. and the same I favor in case of Hindu, Muslim temples also, if it will ever be required. we do need to be able to defend our country, which provides "Equal Opportunity to All the people, regardless their religious Background". as, how surrendering this 'freedom' is justified, for any Secularism reason????????
 
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how long secularism going to sustain till hindus in majority?
thats what I mean to say sir. its not about dealing religious things, but its all about making sure that our coming generation would also enjoy the 'freedom', we were provided from our elders...... for example of Bangladesh, Pakistan, as discussed in this thread. Hindus live in a serious pressure in Bangladesh under Muslim majority, as Bangladesh as a nation has been involved in removing religious minorities like Buddhist as discussed in this thread too, post#18. (Hindus have been on pressure to give their daughters to Muslims/convert into Islam in Bangladesh for a long, with continuous watch on the Hindu minority by Bangladesh, as a society.) while on the side of Pakistan, after almost 'finish' work with Hindu/ Sikh, now Shia/Muhajir/Ahmadis are on the 'clean up' operation there....... do you want this to offer to your coming generation????

its all about the fact that, if you enjoyed a country which provides "Equal Opportunity to All the Religious Background People", the India, then you are also responsible to make sure that your coming generation would also get the same "Freedom" :thumb:
 
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the news as below is little surprising for the person like me, as we generally hear about 'quite conversion' of Hindus into Islam in Bangladesh :ranger:

Hindus under attack
March 1, 2013

6 temples, houses burnt outside Dhaka



Lashing a déjà vu of 1971, Jamaat-Shibir fanatics yesterday wrecked havoc on the Hindu community across the country.

They damaged at least six temples, including one of Buddhists, and torched houses and business establishments of Hindu people in Noakhali, Gaibandha, Chittagong, Rangpur, Sylhet, Chapainawabganj and elsewhere in the country.

In Rajganj of Noakhali, Jamaat-Shibir men set ablaze a temple and eight houses of the Hindu community.

They also traded bullets with law enforcers in Datterhat under Sadar Police Station and in Rajganj under Begumganj Police Station, leaving two people killed. The deceased were identified as Khokon, 17, a pickup van assistant, and Liton (28), a fish monger, reports our Noakhali correspondent.

The Jamaat-Shibir men also looted a jewellery shop owned by one Biplob Sarkar at Chandraganj Purbo Bazar in Begumganj.

Witnesses and police said hours after top Jamaat leaders Delawar Hossain Sayedee had been sentenced to death, the marauding activists equipped with firearms, iron rods and kerosene set fire to Harishiva temple in Rajganj market area at 3:30pm.

"They returned an hour later. This time we were left with no choice but to flee the area, as they started torching our houses with kerosene," schoolteacher Shankar Chandra, who lost his house in the attack, told The Daily Star over the phone.

Some 50 Hindu people used to live in the houses burnt down, he said, adding that all but a few people had managed to escape to safety. Those left behind had been beaten up and kicked out of their houses by the Jamaat-Shibir attackers.

"We ran for our lives leaving everything behind. I was only seven during the Liberation War in 1971, but it didn't feel this insecure even then," said Shankar Chandra.

During the attack, the Jamaat-Shibir men also threatened newsmen to keep from covering the incident and took away cameras of photojournalists. They also forcefully picked up television crew Mohtasim Billah Sabuj. Locals later rescued Sabuj and took him to safety.

Assistant Police Superintendent (ASP) of Begumganj circle Mahbub Alam told The Daily Star that informed of the arson, police and firefighters had reached Rajganj around 5:00pm. Police had a hard time containing the violence in the area, as Jamaat-Shibir men had outnumbered the law enforcers.

When police tried to bring the situation under control, an exchange of gunshots between the attackers and law enforcers took place. Fish monger Liton died in the incident, said the ASP.

Almost at the same time, another group of Jamaat-Shibir men clashed and traded gunfire with police at Datterhat area leaving Khokon bullet-hit. He was declared dead when taken to Sadar hospital.

CHITTAGONG

Jamaat-Shibir men attacked two Hindu-majority localities at Jaldi union of Banshkhali upazila and set ablaze a Buddhist temple at Satkania upazila of the district yesterday.

They set fire to houses at Dhopapara and Mohajonpara of the union and attacked people with sticks, iron rods and sharp weapons, said Inspector Md Shahjahan of Banshkhali Police Station.

Two people had been critically wounded in the attack, said the inspector, adding that the injured had been undergoing treatment at upazila health complex.

Jamaat-Shibir men also set ablaze three shops belonging to Hindu people at Kaliaish union of Satkania upazila, said Additional Superintendent (South) Md Iltutmish of Chittagong Metropolitan Police.

GAIBANDHA

Rioters of Jamaat-e-Islami and student body Islamic Chhatra Shibir attacked a temple and business establishments belonging to Hindus at Bhelkobazar in Sundarganj upazila of the district yesterday afternoon.

Later in the evening, they swooped on and vandalised some houses in Shovaganj union.

Meanwhile, Hindu community leaders last night told The Daily Star that vandalism, arson and looting took place in temples, houses and business establishments of Hindu people in Sylhet, Rangpur, Thakurgaon, Laxmipur and Chapainawabganj. :bd:

According to them, attackers had vandalised the central Kali temple at Mithapukur upazila in Rangpur and another at Kansat in Chapainawabganj.

"We are observing the situation. So far we have heard they had attacked and vandalised temples, houses and business establishments of Hindu people at least in 10 districts," said Nirmal Chatterjee, secretary general of Dhaka Mahanagar Puja Committee.

"We have informed law enforcers of the situation and sought security to the Hindu community," he added.

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India is a Non-Religious Country with Hindu Majority

While discussing the key issues, we must confirm that India is not a religious country, but its a Non-Religious country with Hindu Majority. there is no law of India which makes difference between people based on religion-race. India is not the country where only a person of majority community may get the highest position, like how we see in other countries including in Western Nations. India is the country where a person of any religion may become the IAS topper, top bureaucrat, Top Judge, President, Prime Minister, Chief Minister, Top Diplomat etc, no matter what is his/her religious background. like how we find Minority Sikhs/Muslims have been on the position of Indian Prime Minister, President, Top Diplomat, Top Judge etc. India is not a country where belonging to the majority, means for holding the high positions/ high respect, similar to majority of other countries where only a person of Majority community gets the high position......

But the above key things, which form base of India, the nation, doesn't means for inviting the enemies in the internal affair of India. those people who are belonging to the anti-India background, can't be given a place in Indian society, as we do need to defend the nation, India, as explained in the above paragraph. as a person, I have been in support of having a Sikh President, PM, Top Diplomat, Bureaucrat etc, and also I was in support of Operation Blue Star on the Golden Temple, if it was required to handle the militants hidden there, if the government was left with no other option other than put military in. and the same I favor in case of Hindu, Muslim temples also, if it will ever be required. we do need to be able to defend our country, which provides "Equal Opportunity to All the people, regardless their religious Background". as, how surrendering this 'freedom' is justified, for any Secularism reason????????
thats what I mean to say sir. its not about dealing religious things, but its all about making sure that our coming generation would also enjoy the 'freedom', we were provided from our elders...... for example of Bangladesh, Pakistan, as discussed in this thread. Hindus live in a serious pressure in Bangladesh under Muslim majority, as Bangladesh as a nation has been involved in removing religious minorities like Buddhist as discussed in this thread too, post#18. (Hindus have been on pressure to give their daughters to Muslims/convert into Islam in Bangladesh for a long, with continuous watch on the Hindu minority by Bangladesh, as a society.) while on the side of Pakistan, after almost 'finish' work with Hindu/ Sikh, now Shia/Muhajir/Ahmadis are on the 'clean up' operation there....... do you want this to offer to your coming generation????

its all about the fact that, if you enjoyed a country which provides "Equal Opportunity to All the Religious Background People", the India, then you are also responsible to make sure that your coming generation would also get the same "Freedom" :thumb:
India, the nation of "Equal Rights", with Equal Opportunity to its all the civilians, regardless their religious background. :india:

I think I might have better included "Equal Rights" with Equal Opportunities for all the people, regardless their Religious Background", in the above two posts of mine.....

and yes, we did get a country like India from our elders which fits with the above concept, and we are responsible to make sure that the coming generation of India also gets the same. India isn't concerned with any other countries, what they do in their country, but we are more concerned with the above concept, with having 'friendly' relation/trade/business with rest of the world, our 'only' responsibility with the rest of the world......

we may hardly have sympathy with the minorities of our neighbors, we may hardly advice our neighbors to give equal rights to its all the civilians, but we have no right to interfere in other's internal affairs, nor rest of the world too have any right to interfere in our internal affairs......

=> Today I discussed that we consider Mr APJ Abdul Kalam as the "most deserving" alive person for Bharat Ratna and the most deserving for the post of President, who earned the highest number of votes in his Presidency election, regardless his religious background. similarly we find Mr Azim Premji is the second richest Muslim in world then its because he is deserving for the status he earned. similarly we find minority Sikhs on the post of PM, Army General, Muslims on the highest post of Supreme Court etc then this is what the "Freedom" means for every citizen of India. India, the nation which provides "Equal Rights, with Equal Opportunity to its all the civilians, regardless their religious background.", our "Independence" :thumb:
 
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Permanent Visa on Arrival for Bangladeshis in Italy and US:

I have favored "Permanent Visa on Arrival" for Bangladeshis in Italy and US. as its simply make no sense that an Italian woman would help these Bangladeshis come to India in behalf of US's government and hence create problem for Indians this way. I have seen many Italian waitresses in Sydney who just want to get settled in australia someway, and keep smiling on anyone come to these Cafe's there. so we hope, Permanent Visa on arrival for Bangladeshi men in Italy, US will also help these Italian women get settled in Italy itself, as 2nd/3rd or 4th wife of Bangladeshi men and hence giving a boost to the Italian economy also this way :thumb:

Bangladesh minorities 'terrorised' after mob violence
9 March 2013

Saraswati Rani Das ran for her life with her two young children when a Muslim mob rampaged through her village in the southern Noakhali district of Bangladesh.

Mrs Das broke down repeatedly as she tried to explain how their tiny tin-roof house was destroyed and set on fire.

The attack started hours after a senior hardline Islamist leader was sentenced to death by a special tribunal in late February.

Jamaat-e-Islami party Vice President Delwar Hossain Sayedee was given a death sentence for crimes committed during the war of independence from Pakistan in 1971.

The sentencing triggered a wave of angry protests from the Islamist party's supporters. In many districts, buildings and vehicles were damaged. More than 60 people were killed in clashes with the security forces.


Living in fear

Minority Hindu and Buddhist communities bore the brunt of the attacks as their houses and temples were vandalised and burnt down.

"We heard the mob was coming towards our house. So, we just ran away. Our house was completely burnt. They looted all our belongings, including our savings. We have lost everything," Mrs Das says.

The village of Aladin Nagar, about 120km (75 miles) south of the capital Dhaka, was strewn with torn tin sheets, broken glass, food grain, damaged books and burnt bicycles.

Its residents have been living in fear since the attack and are afraid that they may be targeted again.

Hindu community leaders allege that the attacks were co-ordinated and widespread. So far, they say, more than 50 temples have been damaged and more than 1,500 houses destroyed in the attacks, which took place in nearly 20 districts over the last few weeks.

In some villages near the southern city of Chittagong, statues of Buddha were damaged and Buddhist temples were vandalised.

But the authorities say that such crimes will not go unpunished.

"We are fully committed to protecting the minorities. We have taken enough measures so that these people are not attacked in the future. We have also provided sufficient relief," Home Minister Mohiuddin Khan Alamgir told the BBC.


'Targeted again'

Hindus make up nearly 10% of the population of about 153 million in this Muslim-majority nation. The two communities live side by side in villages across Bangladesh.

Muslim community leaders have condemned the attacks.

"This should not have happened. We feel sorry about it. It is not in the Holy Koran," Noakhali district cleric Mohammad Nurul Alam Bhuiyan said.

While people like Mrs Das witnessed communal violence for the first time, Hindu businessmen like Subash Chandra Ghosh in southern Satkhira district say it was similar to what happened to them in 1971, when Bangladesh fought a bloody nine-month war against Pakistan to gain independence.

"In 1971, our house was damaged and our neighbour's house was set on fire by anti-liberation forces. We are being targeted again. What should we do?" laments Mr Ghosh, who fought for independence.

Some say the minorities are attacked because they mostly support the governing Awami League party and are a soft target.

Bangladesh has long prided itself on its secular values - but that image has taken a knock following the recent violence.

Buddhist villages in Cox's Bazar district also came under attack by Muslim mobs last year, when an image allegedly insulting the Koran was posted on Facebook by a Buddhist youth. Many Buddhist temples were vandalised in the subsequent violence.


War crimes

Investigations by the local media later revealed the youth had nothing to do with the incident.

The independence war came to an end after India sent in troops on behalf of the Bengalis. More than 90,000 Pakistani soldiers and officers surrendered to the Indian army and were taken as prisoners of war.

Official estimates say more than three million were killed and tens of thousands of women raped during the war. The minority Hindu community suffered disproportionately because some Pakistanis blamed them for Bangladesh's secession.

A special tribunal in Bangladesh is prosecuting those accused of collaborating with Pakistani forces and carrying out atrocities more than 40 years ago.

The recent violence is mainly blamed on the opposition Jamaat-e-Islami party, whose leaders are facing war crimes at the tribunal. But the party - which opposed Bangladesh's independence from Pakistan - denies the charges.

"The Jamaat-e-Islami is a peaceful political party and they do not encourage any violent activities. People who took part in the attack on minorities belong to other political parties," asserts Mohammad Tajul Islam, a Jamaat leader in Noakhali district.

Hindu community leaders say the attacks are systematic and have been going on for years. They say they are not only carried out by hardline Islamists but also by supporters of other mainstream political parties, including the Awami League and the main opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party. :ranger:

The aim of the violence, Hindu leaders allege, is to grab land and other property. As a result, they say, many Hindus are fleeing to India to escape harassment, intimidation and violence.

"In 1947, Hindus constituted around 30% of the population," says Subroto Chowdhury, a Hindu community leader in Dhaka.

"Now it is less than 10%. Hindus are being warned to leave so that locals can take over their land and houses.

"Our community is being persecuted."

But Mr Alamgir, the home minister, says historically there have been movement of Hindus to India and Muslims to Bangladesh - because of various incidents.

"These are aberrations. The governments of the two countries are determined to make sure that they stay in full peace and security."

And people like Mr Ghosh say they will resist attempts to drive them away from Bangladesh.

"This is our motherland and we have been living here for 25 generations. We cannot imagine of leaving this land. This is our country."

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The main reason for illegal migration is rampant disease called political secularism or 'secoolarism' as I call it. Desperate to gain votes from a certain community, politicians go head over heels in abetting in their demographic warfare against local inhabitants which in this case is radicalized Arab wannabe Bangladeshi Muslims which are today more than 35% of the Assamese population.

These lot hide behind the "Bengali Indian muslim" disguise and blend in while continuing their violence against non-Muslim Bengalis and Assamese who are the victims everytime.

While people expected some relief from Mamta's regime initially in WB, she went to new levels of secoolarism and it has become only trouble for non-Muslims in the state. Very shameful to see the host communities of India being troubled by non-Indian religious communities in their own country.

The worst part is, people especially the so-called 'secular' crowd, so fearful and guilty of being branded as some sort of extremists, deny this invasion and this results in the marginalization of the host Hindu/Buddhist communities in the east and northeast India. In some extreme cases, even Christians of Northeast suffer due to this demographic warfare.

Its about time that people wake up and condemn this and support our fellow people.

Because denying this is not secularism; it is acceptance of cultural domination over our own culture by a non-Indian religion.
 

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India, the nation of "Equal Rights", with Equal Opportunity to its all the civilians, regardless their religious background. :india:

I think I might have better included "Equal Rights" with Equal Opportunities for all the people, regardless their Religious Background", in the above two posts of mine.....

and yes, we did get a country like India from our elders which fits with the above concept, and we are responsible to make sure that the coming generation of India also gets the same. India isn't concerned with any other countries, what they do in their country, but we are more concerned with the above concept, with having 'friendly' relation/trade/business with rest of the world, our 'only' responsibility with the rest of the world......

we may hardly have sympathy with the minorities of our neighbors, we may hardly advice our neighbors to give equal rights to its all the civilians, but we have no right to interfere in other's internal affairs, nor rest of the world too have any right to interfere in our internal affairs......

=> Today I discussed that we consider Mr APJ Abdul Kalam as the "most deserving" alive person for Bharat Ratna and the most deserving for the post of President, who earned the highest number of votes in his Presidency election, regardless his religious background. similarly we find Mr Azim Premji is the second richest Muslim in world then its because he is deserving for the status he earned. similarly we find minority Sikhs on the post of PM, Army General, Muslims on the highest post of Supreme Court etc then this is what the "Freedom" means for every citizen of India. India, the nation which provides "Equal Rights, with Equal Opportunity to its all the civilians, regardless their religious background.", our "Independence" :thumb:

Pakistan's Shia genocide
26 Nov 2012

In the days leading up to the religious holiday of Ashura, leading members of the Pakistani Shia community in Pakistan received anonymous text messages warning of violence to come: "Kill, Kill, Shia".

In recent years, Ashura - which not long ago throughout the country was an occasion which Sunnis, Shias and others among Pakistan's ethno-religious milieu would commemorate together in harmony - has become an annual flashpoint in Pakistan's increasingly sectarian and violent religious culture.

Tragically, and despite high-profile efforts by the government to clamp down on the ability to militants to target worshippers such as the limitating cellphone service and banning of motorcycles from public roads during the holiday, this year's Ashura in Pakistan signified a continuation of the country's spiral into self-destructive communal violence.

A suicide bomber in the city of Rawalpindi hurled a grenade into the midst of a Shia procession before detonating his vest and killing 23 people, while other attacks throughout the country from Karachi to Dera Ismail Khan claimed the lives of dozens more.

The attacks were claimed by Pakistani Taliban (TTP) militants who denounced the victims as "blasphemers" and stated they were engaged in a "war of belief" with Shias - stating further that attacks against them would continue until they, in their millions, were wiped out of the country.

That the fanatical nihilism of terrorist attacks against public religious ceremonies - ceremonies which have been observed since the country's founding - has become normalised and routine is a sign of the depths to which Pakistan has sunk in terms of sectarianism and social fragmentation over the past decade.

Once a respected and well-integrated minority in a country where they comprise roughly 20 per cent of the population and count the nation's founder as one of their own, Shia Muslims within Pakistan have become a community under siege in recent years and are facing a situation which is increasingly being described by many Pakistanis as a slow-motion genocide.

Several hundred Pakistani Shias have been killed this year alone in increasingly high-profile attacks by extremist militants, including one incident caught on video in August in which passengers were forced off a bus in the Gilgit region and executed by armed militants who checked their victims' ID cards before killing whomsoever they could identify as being Shia.

It is believed that since the early 1990s, nearly 4,000 Pakistani Shias have been murdered in sectarian attacks, and at a pace which has rapidly accelerated in recent years. The tragic irony of this increasingly violent sectarianism is that Muhammad Ali Jinnah, widely known and revered as the "Father of the Nation" of Pakistan was himself a Shia Muslim though he maintained a secular public religious identity and preached the same for the country which he created. :facepalm:

His famous speech to Pakistanis in which he said: "You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed"¦", signifies how far modern-Pakistan has departed from its founding ideals and become a place where the country's founder himself would likely be threatened and unwelcome.

Ahmadis, Barelvis, Christians and Hindus have all become subject to persecution within an increasingly religiously-chauvinistic Pakistani society, but it is Shias who have suffered the highest toll of bloodshed and whose fate is most tied to external forces intent on using Pakistan as a battleground for broader regional conflicts. :ranger:


Pakistan as sectarian battleground

In an interview given to Reuters, Malik Ishaq, the leader of one of Pakistan's most notorious anti-Shia extremist groups Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ) declared Shia Muslims "the greatest infidels on earth" and demanded that the Pakistani state "declare Shia non-Muslims on the basis of their beliefs".

Ishaq's demagoguery is not idle talk, LeJ death squads are believed to have been responsible for the killings of thousands of Shias throughout the country, including a campaign of targeted murders in 2011 which killed dozens of Shia doctors, lawyers and politicians residing in the major port-city of Karachi.

One lower-level LeJ operative now in police custody, Mahmoud Baber, reportedly choked with pride and emotion while describing to reporters his "great satisfaction" at being involved in 14 murders over his militant career, saying of the organisations purpose: "Get rid of Shias. That is our goal. May God help us".

Despite his unrepentant advocacy and propagation of violence, Ishaq himself has been acquitted over 30 times on homicide and terrorism charges - an incredible run of judicial fortune which many have attributed to covert support from elements within Pakistan's national security establishment which have long cultivated such groups as potential weapons against regional rival such as India.

Indeed, while organisations like the LeJ, Pakistani Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba and offshoots such as the Sipah-e-Sahaba (SSP) focus their violence on Pakistani Shias, they are representative of a broader regional narrative to which the Shia community is largely a victim of geopolitical circumstance and manipulation by external parties.

Pakistan has long been a front in the battle for regional influence between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and the patronage of violent extremist groups primarily by the latter has been utilised as a tool to counter potential Iranian influence within the country.

The Pakistani Shia population, as well as the Pakistan's social cohesion as a whole, have been the collateral damage in this battle as wealthy Gulf donors have armed and funded sectarian death squads to wreak havoc against Pakistani Shias and other religious minorities within the country.

WikiLeaks cables released in 2009 described the extent of which this support has been facilitated: "Donors in Saudi Arabia as the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide"¦ for groups aligned with Al-Qaida and focused on undermining stability in Afghanistan and Pakistan".

The leaked report describes in detail the extent to which wealthy, conservative Gulf donors have sought to use Pakistan as a battlefront for their war against Iran - a war in which they see all Shias across the world as being legitimate targets for violence.

An estimated $100m per year has flowed from donors from the Gulf to fund extremist groups in Pakistan and spread sectarian ideology - a massive sum especially for a developing country such as Pakistan and one which has been increasingly successful in subverting the heterodox and tolerant Islamic tradition which has historically been prevalent in the subcontinent.

Children in particular, often pliable candidates for suicide bombings, have been specifically recruited for indoctrination with those "between the ages of 8 to 12" and whose families are "suffering extreme financial difficulties" being the most favoured targets of recruitment by sectarian extremist groups.

Extremist religious sentiments

While Shia militant groups such as Sipah-e-Muhammad also do exist, these are widely considered by analysts to be marginal and largely reactionary - the Shia community has overwhelmingly been the recipient of violence as opposed to its purveyor and has become the target of external parties using Pakistan as a field upon which to settle regional scores, as well as seeking to give violent expression to their own extremist religious sentiments.

As described in an editorial by the Karachi-based Express Tribune: "A fact recognised by all in Pakistan is that the people of the country are not sectarian-minded. Before jihad took hold of Pakistan and extremist clerics became threatening, there was considerable harmony between the sects. Muharram was not the season of sectarian violence and mayhem. Today, the world understands that the intensification of the sectarian feeling among the clerics is actually a result of a war relocated from Pakistan's neighbourhood in the Gulf."

Tragically, it has become Pakistani Shias, a community which has little if anything to do with the increasingly heated conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia, that has today become among its biggest victims of that escalating conflict.

There is growing realisation within Pakistan that the cynical manipulation of the country by regional actors is leading to a potential existential crisis for the state. Shias make up a large percentage of the country's population of 180 million and account for a significant proportion of the professional class which is vital to the nation's continued viability.

In recent months, high-profile religious leaders from across the country convened in the capital of Islamabad for a conference intended to promote intra-communal unity and "put the genie of sectarianism back in the bottle", while secular political leaders have also made forceful denunciations of the increasingly violent sectarian chauvinism within the country.

Despite these encouraging pronouncements, the horrifying scenes of murder which played out on Pakistani streets during this year's Ashura commemorations are a stark reminder of how deeply embedded violently extremist religious attitudes have become within segments of Pakistani society in recent years.

Many analysts have warned that Pakistani Shias increasingly face "sectarian cleansing" from the country if violence against them continues to accelerate, a fate which would be a tragic end to a community which for most of the Pakistan's history has lived in communal harmony with majority Sunnis and others within Pakistan's once-inclusive ethnic and religious tapestry.

If the measure of a society is how it treats its minorities, the slow-motion genocide being perpetrated against the Shia community in Pakistan is indicative of a country which has acquiesced to being devoured from the inside-out and which has sacrificed for itself any vision of a tolerant and progressive future.

Opportunistic Gulf ideologues have turned Pakistan into a charnel-house in pursuit of their own sectarian and political agendas; until Pakistanis forcefully reject the purpose towards which their country is being cynically utilised, the downward spiral of communal violence will proceed and the fate of Pakistan's Shia community will continue to be marked by increasingly wanton massacres and bloodshed.

Where Sunnis and Shias within Pakistan once commemorated their holidays together in relative harmony, there has grown an increasingly stark divide - unless it is bridged and unless imported extremist ideologies are stifled, the future of Pakistan as a unified and cohesive state will continue to be threatened.

Pakistan's Shia genocide - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
 

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its time for goi to take action or the integrety of our nation will be compromised. The country that owes its freedom to india is now trying to screw india

"Sectarian Wars" is the biggest challenge for the peaceful nations of the world. its all about the independence we got from our elders and we are responsible to provide the same to the coming generation. our freedom, which means for Equal Right and Equal Opportunities to all, it can't be compromised for any reason :nono:

there can't be any secularism talk in world right now until we address the main reason behind most of the internal conflicts in this world, and its the "Sectarian Wars". :thumb:
 

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Caste's Western "Divide and Rule" Policy

few days before I was discussing that when I came to India in late 2011, i saw Pranab representing Brahmin, Digvijay for Rajput, one around my house for Yadav, and similarly for Kurmi etc we found. (even in my own house, the representative of Sonia wanted a Brahmin-Lala conflict in February 2013, when VVIP helicopter scam came in light.......). it was the time of early 2012 when even Manmohan visited North East and said, "all are Indians." to fuel Sectarian war in that region...... sometimes I find even Narendra Modi, a duplicate man, who either try to put wrong image of India, or promote Rahul in his speech......

all these b@stards of Sonia/Rahul, who are working for the foreign governments, and use people like Shinde/Digvijay etc to do wrong publicity about India by using the international media, which came on my back......... and im surprised, we dont have even a single man who may clean these two, Rahul/Sonia???? not even single security man/commando itself??? its a disaster that we only count death of patriots but couldn't remove these two yet......
 

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=> Pakistan will be reunited with India, says Katju - The Hindu

I'm strongly against it, Pakistan, a prospective failed nation if joined with India will only increase chaos in the Indian society. Idiot Katju should STFU.

inviting Pakistani or Bangladeshi nationals simply means for inviting the people of 'enemy' background......

India has to keep its neighbors happy, as a 'friend' only. neither any part of the world wants to invite 'Sectarian Wars' from these two neighbors of India, nor India too would help them come close to India :nono:

India would only stick with trade-friendship relationship with its neighbors, similar to the rest of the world...:india:

Don't hold your breath: during a recent DPC rally in Karachi, speaker after speaker made it clear that their real enemies are India and America. This assembled galaxy clearly failed to notice the uncomfortable fact that over the last decade, well over 30,000 innocent civilians and 5,000 security personnel have been killed in terrorist attacks launched by jihadi militants.

Save us from our defenders - DAWN.COM
=> Bangladesh minorities bear brunt of violence - Features - Al Jazeera English
 

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Permanent Visa on Arrival for Bangladeshis in Italy and US

in fact, I have favored "Permanent Visa on Arrival" for Bangladeshis in Italy and US. as its simply make no sense that an Italian woman would help these Bangladeshis come to India in behalf of US's government and hence create problem for Indians this way, organize Sectarian Wars in India to finally destroy it. as i do remember, when i came to India in 2011, Manmohan Singh made a visit to North East and tried to defend illegal infiltration from Bangladesh by saying, "they all are Indians"......

I have seen many Italian waitresses in Sydney who just want to get settled in Australia someway, and keep smiling on anyone who comes to these Cafe's there. so we hope, Permanent Visa on arrival for Bangladeshi men in Italy, US will also help these Italian women get settled in Italy itself, as the 2nd/3rd or the 4th wife of Bangladeshi men and hence giving a boost to the Italian economy also this way :thumb:
 

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We do need to deal with shiits, there must not any reason for the Destruction of this Country :facepalm:

thats what I said one day, even if we want to maintain secularism, we do need to deal with the shiits and we can't ignore the bottom-line truth that common public are not as aware of right and wrong as we. its not about the 'Sectarian Wars' but the 'innocence' of common public who simply become part of any mob due to their religious/racial belief. and we do need to be able to discuss those things which may lead to destruction of the whole nation and its people........

i mean, does the Bangladeshi government want to put "Tens of Thousands" in jail all together for continuously threatening its minorities by torching etc, with this type of attacks in over 25,000+ numbers???????? No, you simply can't and then from here, Indian government do need to think about solution of the North Eastern Indian people as whole, who are threatened with illegal infiltration from Bangladesh.........

for example as below, do you want 26/11 type things very frequent? do you want to import this environment from your neighbors????

=> Pakistan faces 26/11 everyday: Mani Shankar Aiyar - Times Of India

A Country is Responsible to Build Itself Only

we can only have better friendship/ trade relations with other nations, including our neighbors

yesterday I discussed that its very simple to talk to the representatives of Pakistan/ Bangladesh, if you have fair intentions. India is responsible to build its own society, Chinese is for China and yes they have done the work to an extent, Brazilians are doing so too, and similarly Pakistan/ Bangladesh have to do more to build their society. with respect to the level of population of Bangladesh, which is more than even the largest country of the world, Russia, no one would let them enter in their country, no one will offer them citizenship on arrival, and there is no need to invite destruction to this country only :wave:

we have seen may minorities sitting on the border of India-Pakistan, running from Bangladesh due to local riots/ Sectarian Wars, but we can hardly make 100 times request to our neighbors to have more sympathy for their minorities, who are badly suffered from Sectarian Wars, but we mustn't let this problem come to India, definitely not :nono:. we can only have good friendship/ trade with others, but we certainly can't interfere in other countries, nor they can do the same with India too. and with that, as i have already stated in this thread too, we welcome all those countries who invite people from Bangladesh-Pakistan as India is already overly populated :meeting: :tup:



=> Our Freedom, The Independence We Got in 1947

and its all about our Freedom/ Independence we got in 1947, as discussed before. there was a time when we had "Super Human" as British, while now we have "Equal Rights" for all the people of India, with Equal Opportunities, regardless their religion/ race/ language/ state etc, along with providing more opportunities to the weak part of Indian Society like Dalits/ Female in different jobs/ exams, with scholarships for them only etc, and that's fair. we now pay tax to that Indian government which use the tax money to help the people based in India itself, develop infrastructure in India to improve life of the people based in India, while before that we were paying tax to those British to help them in their wars. Mr Gandhi struggled to have Industries in India, who may them provide jobs to Indians and hence pay taxes to Indian government for the purpose to use this tax for the people based in India. and yes we have got that 'freedom', and trying to improve. and we now proud to say that we have made a place where the most deserving people get higher success, regardless in which family they took birth, (of any religion/ race/ language/state etc). and we hope India will become one of the best place to live by using their talent/ knowledge this way :india:

but we find Pakistan/ Bangladesh still on the same colonized state, where all the people don't have equal rights/ equal opportunities, highly violent and very populated. but here again, we may hardly show our best wishes for them, but we certainly can't let India destroyed for any reason, whether secularism or anything else.... we may either request our neighbors to help their people who are running from there, or we may hardly request US and Italy to invite them, but we certainly won't compromise with our 'freedom'/ 'independence' :nono:
 

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my above post has a simple meaning that, "as part of our freedom, there is no law in India which makes difference among the people based on religion/ race/ language/ state etc, there is no super human like British anymore in India, and now we pay taxes to that Indian government which use it for the purpose to help the people based in India, not for the WW1 and WW2 to help Britain. with providing Equal Rights to all and more opportunities to the weak part of Indian society like Dalits/ Women, at the same time we proud to say that we had many minorities Presidents/ PMs/ Chief Ministers/ Governors/ Chief Justice/ IAS topper/ Bolloywood superstar/ Cricket Team Captain etc, and we proud to say that we got this type of country from our elders who fought for our freedom and we are responsible to give the same type of country to our coming generation too. we just can't compromise our "Independence" for any secularism reason" :nono:

i was always made in the position in Australia when i found Pakistani/ Bangladeshi origins around me, as guided by those who always want to find out, "how to destroy this country by using Indian neighbors?" and I never hesitated to give my best wishes to Pakistanis/ Bangladeshis that they would make their countries as good as China/ Brazil, including India are doing, with a clear statement that, "if you can't make your own country better then it simply means that you can't do the same even if you get united with India." :wave:.

and with these arguments, i always have few examples like as below too, because of my experience of Britain and Australia :thumb:

How Immigration Has Impoverished Britain:
75% of Pakistani and Bangladeshi Children "Live in Poverty"

Claims that immigration is economically beneficial for Britain have been destroyed by news that three-quarters of Pakistani and Bangladeshi children in the UK are being brought up in families that are living on poverty-level income.

The report, issued by Millennium Cohort Study, which is tracking children born between 2000 and 2002, has found that 73 per cent of the Pakistani and Bangladeshi seven-year olds were in families estimated to be living on less than 60 per cent of the average national household income.

Just over half of the black children (51 percent) in the Millennium cohort were in such low-income families, compared with one in four white (26 percent) and Indian (25percent) children, said an official press release.

"Predictably, low income was strongly linked to joblessness among parents, say researchers at the Institute of Education, University of London, who collected information from almost 14,000 families in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in 2008/9."

According to the report, among fathers, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis had the highest unemployment rate (15 percent) – well above the UK average of 6 per cent. Unemployment among black fathers was also high (11 percent) but Indians were less likely to be unemployed (4 percent) than whites (5.5 percent).

Almost two-thirds (64 percent) of white and Indian mothers had jobs, compared with half (52 percent) of black mothers and only 17 per cent of Pakistani and Bangladeshi mothers.

A much higher proportion of children in lone-parent families (63 percent) were living below the study's poverty line than those with married (16percent) or cohabiting (30 percent) parents. :tsk: :facepalm:

"The incidence of income poverty for the Millennium cohort families has not changed appreciably over the first seven years of the children's lives," says Professor Heather Joshi, the study's director.

"Despite government efforts to eradicate child poverty almost three in 10 children are still in poor families at age 7. It's particularly disappointing that around one in five seven-year-olds is in severe poverty – on incomes below half the national average."

The findings appear in a report published today by the Institute of Education's Centre for Longitudinal Studies: Millennium Cohort Study, Fourth Survey: A User's Guide to Initial Findings. Copies of the report can be downloaded here.

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A FEW weeks ago in London, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband told me that 75 per cent of the terrorist plots aimed at Britain originated in the federally administered tribal areas of Pakistan. Some 800,000 Pakistanis live in Britain.

The vast majority, it goes without saying, are law-abiding citizens. But there is a link between uncontrolled Muslim immigration and terrorism.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...-influx-a-threat/story-e6frg76f-1225792231126
 
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