If we've to choose between Israel and Iran, choose the former

If India had to choose between Iran and Israel, what should India do?


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lemontree

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India would be foolish to remain neutral, we must take a side and the side must be a winning side.
The last Gulf War saw the US led coalition win the war there - they control the oil in Iraq now.
We need oil so we should side with the likely winning side and not with the loosers who sit on the fence.
 

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Iran is not showing co-operation to Indian efforts. At least thats all an ordinary person can deduce when GOI wants to keep everything hidden.

Current Iranian regime is heavily relying on Russian/Chinese political influence to normalize hostility, too bad its a wrong bet.
 

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Remember they supplied Pak AF with Sabers n F104s when the PAF was getting clobbered in 1971. Ok so t was cold war politics.
It is quite similar to people talking about how Russia is our best friend, all the while Russians arm the chinese to the teeth. There is no place for emotion in geo politics. Which is why USA is numero uno.

How so? India was closer to Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussain than the mullahs of Iran.
India even trained the Iraqi's.

Iran is the only country justifying the destruction of Israeli - that is why they cannot have nukes.
One more thing captain, It was all good logic and real politik for us when we challenged the right of only the P-5 to have nukes. Now that we are part of that group, we need to change stance, and make sure we do exactly what the P-5 did. We have to deny, even by force anybody else the capacity to have nuclear weapons. It is not in our interest to let more members have nuclear power.
 

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India would be foolish to remain neutral, we must take a side and the side must be a winning side.
The last Gulf War saw the US led coalition win the war there - they control the oil in Iraq now.
We need oil so we should side with the likely winning side and not with the loosers who sit on the fence.
Iran is not Iraq.

The US or allies cant invade and occupy all of Iran like it did in Iraq. Poor Iraq was surrounded by US allies and Syria was not able to do anything. Iran borders the Caspian and has direct access to Russia.
Unlike the ME, CAR is not full of US poodles.

A war most probably would result in the destruction of Iran's Nuclear, Industrial and larger Military facilities.
Iran is not a flat desert and almost 4 times larger than Iraq.
 

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Iran is not Iraq.

The US or allies cant invade and occupy all of Iran like it did in Iraq. Poor Iraq was surrounded by US allies and Syria was not able to do anything. Iran borders the Caspian and has direct access to Russia.
Unlike the ME, CAR is not full of US poodles.
To be honest, Russia will not do diddly sqwat. Also why are we bothered about Russia. The current Iranian regime is no good for us with respect to a number issues, and especially our interest in Afghanistan, also our need to subdue Pakistan.

A war most probably would result in the destruction of Iran's Nuclear, Industrial and larger Military facilities.
Iran is not a flat desert and almost 4 times larger than Iraq
That doesnt change, Regime change. Unlike idiotic Indians who let Pakistani's have the nuke, Israel and USA wont.
 

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Adux most likely we give a pro-israel stance but the regime in Iran is stable.Don't you think we will loose in Afghanistan access.This will enable the pukes to do as they want in Afghanistan which will bring pressure back on Kashmir.

I think whatever the nutters Iranians are our relation with Iran is a necessity when compared with Israel
 

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India must tell Iran to not build nukes cause it may risk relations and since its signatory to NPT it must follow international protocols. We already have one nutjob with nukes, another mullah ruled land having nukes would mean serious threat to Israel and India's interest in middle east.

Nukes are a big leverage in geo politics which everyone cant have and shouldn't have, it should be a lesson for other countries trying to pursue nukes.

We aint gonna participate in war, but we must tell US that if it really wanna partner India, it should rethink its relations with pakis.
 

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NEW DELHI: Union home minister P Chidambaram has said the magnet bomb attack in Delhi on Monday was an act of terrorism and that the Israeli diplomat's wife was the obvious target.

"We believe it was a very well trained person who committed the attack and the target was the Israeli diplomat's wife. The investigations are on," he said. The home minister, who did not want to hazard a guess on the group or individual responsible for the attack said: "We are not pointing fingers at anyone or any group yet, but we condemn the attack in the strongest terms."
Home secretary RK Singh, too said there was no material evidence yet to name any country. "Who planned and executed the blast will be known only after the investigation makes progress," he said. However, the modus operandi employed by the attacker - fixing bomb to a car - mirrored the method used by Mossad earlier to assassinate Iranian scientists.

Security experts here are of the view that the copy-cat attack may be a way of telling Israel that they have the capability to carry out similar attacks in distant locales. In New Delhi, National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon and foreign secretary Ranjan Mathai were in constant touch with the Israeli authorities, who have shared crucial information on the possible suspects.

According to sources, experts from Mossad on Tuesday handed over a list of Iranian and Lebanese youths in India on student visas who may have planned the attack with the some local help. Sources in the MHA denied having received any prior intelligence from Tel Aviv on heightened threat to Israeli targets here.

Chidambaram's reference to a "well-trained" bomber is seen as confirming the intelligence agencies' fears that a commando may have been used to carry out the "surgical" strike. The bomber was familiar with all the approach roads and the quickest exit route, which agencies suspect was not possible without the help of local contacts.

The dry runs helped him not only to choose the traffic signal where he would attach the bomb to the car's rear, but also facilitate his quick escape to safety before the bomb could go off. The sticky bomb was used for the first time in India. The device did not have a battery or a circuit, indicating an in-built, quick timer mechanism similar to a grenade.

Most Iranian scientists engaged in its nuclear programme were killed in car bomb blasts triggered by similar magnetic devices. Iranians suspect these attacks were carried out by Israel or the US. The emergence of magnet bombs is seen as a worrying trend by Indian agencies, who fear that local terrorist modules may draft them to attack VIPs and high-value targets here.

MHA is already contemplating revisiting the security details of Y-category protectees, which include most Cabinet ministers, to include escort vehicles. As of now, only those with Z and Z-plus security cover move around accompanied by pilot and escort vehicles. MHA has, as part of post-blast security measures, told embassies not to allow vehicles to be parked outside their compound.

Also, the city traffic police have been asked to capture traffic crossings across all important points in the Capital on CCTVs. Though CCTV cameras deployed at the attack site have got some footage of the motor-cycle borne bomber, who appeared to be wearing a brown jacket, his red helmet hid his face.

Not only this, the cameras have not obtained a clear image of the motorcycle's number-plate either. The police believe that the bomber was trailing the diplomat's car for the last few days. Incidentally, sources told ET that a motorcycle had brushed the diplomat's car days before the blast.

Hopeful of getting some clues from electronic surveillance, agencies are now scanning phone records of made in the vicinity of the blast site, just before and after the attack. Police are also on the lookout for the motorcycle, which they suspect may have been abandoned by the bomber.

Chidambaram said that those injured in the car blasts were recovering. The Delhi Police commissioner told him on Tuesday that the condition of the injured Israeli woman was stable, while the other three injured had either been discharged or were about to be discharged from hospital.
 

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What it actually means is please use our bases and pay us for it.
This is going to further complicate the matter.

Pakis are truly blessed when it comes to geographic location.
 

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I'd rather support Baloch Nationalists and help them get independence from Pakistan than annoy Iran. Iran hasn't harmed India. Now that is one way to get to Afghanistan.
100% agree with you. Iran has no hostilities towards us and neither do we. We don't share borders and due to that a lot of hassles are avoided. Iran isn't expansionist and neither has supported terrorism against us.

So why should we be against them?

Better help BLA get their independence than waste goodwill against Iran.
 

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This is going to further complicate the matter.

Pakis are truly blessed when it comes to geographic location.
If the Pakis Lend bases the Iranians are going to screw the Pakistanis inside out.Iranians are masters of proxy war unlike Pakistanis
 

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If the Pakis Lend bases the Iranians are going to screw the Pakistanis inside out.Iranians are masters of proxy war unlike Pakistanis
Pakis are already screwed inside out. What could be worse ?

They'll have unkil's hand over their head, like always.
 

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100% agree with you. Iran has no hostilities towards us and neither do we. We don't share borders and due to that a lot of hassles are avoided. Iran isn't expansionist and neither has supported terrorism against us.

So why should we be against them?

Better help BLA get their independence than waste goodwill against Iran.
I am not sure but I think Iran does not favor a separate balochistan. Infact Iran is wary of Sunni militants in its east bordering Pak. Those militants are ethnically related to Baloch.
 

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Pakis are already screwed inside out. What could be worse ?

They'll have unkil's hand over their head, like always.
If Iranian are pissed they will loose a large chunk of land called Baluchistan
 

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That is exactly where the matter gets complicated with India becoming another stakeholder.
Sorry did not frame it properly if Iranians are pissed the pakistanis will loose a large chunk of pakistan
 

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How? It's a good thing for us.
India's direct intervention in tribal pak & balochistan may attract more terror attacks on mainland. Apart from that I don't see early resolution with Astan already screwed up and US administration going under change next year.
 
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