If WAR with China happens - Pakistan will attack, Vadinar in Gujarat before Kashmir.

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[h=1]Pakistan Vs India ... The Status Difference :rofl: :taunt:[/h]
Good find. :thumb:

Post this in one of the relevant Paki threads that we have... good to have such things in one place.
 
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Check out the RAW agent comments. :scared2:
raw agent my ass. anyone who is moderate or sane in pakistan these days is labelled as raw agent and harassed by isi and there dogs.

she did whip his ass but her words will fall on deaf ears.
 

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If I am correct that was a non military aircraft and Pilot shouldnt have shot that plane. I guess adrenaline rush forced hi to do that and most of wreckage fell into pakistan instead of India.
The Pak Navy Atlantique that was shot down, is a naval recce aircraft that can carry anti-ship missiles. It was a military surveillance aircraft and a very valid target.

Anyways P2p presume if Chinese airforce operates from pakistan to assist pakistan in their attack . what could be possible scenario .
The thread states that Vadinar, Gujarat would be attacked first in the event of war with Pakistan-China.
What does the enemy gain by this attack? Indian oil strategic reserves are located in south India and India has 18 refineries. So if Jamnagar is out of action. Then there are 17 remaining refineries.

The attack will achieve nothing except TV footage.

Vadinar is located in the Gulf of Kutch and can get air support from 3 airfields, Bhuj, Jamnagar and Naliya, within minutes.
- The PLAAF/ PAF would have to carry out SEAD operations in a very vast area.
- Neutralise ground based radars and and possibly take out an AWACS platform.
- Cater to neutralising interception from 3 IAF airfields.
- Jamming of IAFs air-defence radars - range of 300 kms (aerostat radars can see 500 kms).

IF the PLAAF/PAF carryout the operation, it would have to carryout a two phased operation, SEAD and air-defence against interceptors and the main ground attack.

Approx assets needed:-
SEAD - 2 x ac per location. Minimum of 3 missile batteries would be present. Total 6 ac.
Ground attack - 2 x 3 ship or 4 ship flts. Total 6 - 8 ac.
CAP - Minimum 6 ac (to address interception from 3 airfields)

The PLAAF/ PAF would have to use a minimum force of 18 - 20 aircrafts. Many of these would not return. The risk is too much for hitting an economic target that would not effect the out come a any immediate battle. IMHO At best they would hit the refiners with a salvo of cruise missiles.
 

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in order to attack from western front china has to do massive movement of troops and equipments and with all spy satellites and intelligence if it goes unnoticed we deserve our asses being whooped.
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Galaxy use of missiles can easily give wrong signal of a nuclear attack so thats ruled out at the beginning.
That's ballistic missiles..not cruise missiles.
 

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If China attacks us today, not only the eastern front will be attacked but the probability of Pakistan pushing in on the western front is strong, especially in the Jammu and Kashmir and Gujarat regions.
Vadinar is one of India's well known hot-zones for terror attacks. Though only a small coastal town in the Jamnagar district of the state of Gujarat, it is, strategically speaking, the jugular vein of India's oil-refining facilities. The town has three oil refineries with a capacity to store over two million tons of oil, and an operating capacity of 99 million tons. Its destruction would have a decapitating effect on India as it would devastate it economically.
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Pak should remember what Indian Navy did to Karachi before before thinking of its evil plans.
 

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26/11 style + conventional warfare

Thanks for the comment, good to know the level of security present. However if a 26/11 style localised attack occur during the same time on the ground. Could the Karachi Naval attack be a test run?
China has moved troops to POK, and can deploy to forward position quickly. Our infrastructure is still unde-construction.... a mixture on terrorism + conventional warfare can spell doom on the defense front. ISI can use this a means to an end then.
Just a thought....
 

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The Pak Navy Atlantique that was shot down, is a naval recce aircraft that can carry anti-ship missiles. It was a military surveillance aircraft and a very valid target.


The thread states that Vadinar, Gujarat would be attacked first in the event of war with Pakistan-China.
What does the enemy gain by this attack? Indian oil strategic reserves are located in south India and India has 18 refineries. So if Jamnagar is out of action. Then there are 17 remaining refineries.

The attack will achieve nothing except TV footage.

Vadinar is located in the Gulf of Kutch and can get air support from 3 airfields, Bhuj, Jamnagar and Naliya, within minutes.
- The PLAAF/ PAF would have to carry out SEAD operations in a very vast area.
- Neutralise ground based radars and and possibly take out an AWACS platform.
- Cater to neutralising interception from 3 IAF airfields.
- Jamming of IAFs air-defence radars - range of 300 kms (aerostat radars can see 500 kms).

IF the PLAAF/PAF carryout the operation, it would have to carryout a two phased operation, SEAD and air-defence against interceptors and the main ground attack.

Approx assets needed:-
SEAD - 2 x ac per location. Minimum of 3 missile batteries would be present. Total 6 ac.
Ground attack - 2 x 3 ship or 4 ship flts. Total 6 - 8 ac.
CAP - Minimum 6 ac (to address interception from 3 airfields)

The PLAAF/ PAF would have to use a minimum force of 18 - 20 aircrafts. Many of these would not return. The risk is too much for hitting an economic target that would not effect the out come a any immediate battle. IMHO At best they would hit the refiners with a salvo of cruise missiles.
I am not sure how many refineries are there in India , but there are two near Jamnagar . Reliance and ESSAR refineries .
 

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A thermal power station , two refineries , a GSFC plant in that area .
 

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Thanks for the comment, good to know the level of security present. However if a 26/11 style localised attack occur during the same time on the ground. Could the Karachi Naval attack be a test run?
China has moved troops to POK, and can deploy to forward position quickly. Our infrastructure is still unde-construction.... a mixture on terrorism + conventional warfare can spell doom on the defense front. ISI can use this a means to an end then.
Just a thought....
There are enough troops in Northen India to counter any northen and western attacks and recently old base re-opened in Laddakh.The main concern is in the eastern border and India is taking care of it as well.

At easter border we have:-
-Total of 120,000 troops (though China has 3 times)
-Two mountain divisions
-More military hardware
-Brahmos deployed
-2 Sukhoi squardons
-Extra 90,000 troops to be inducted in next 5 years.

But as compared to Chinese infrastructure and military buildup there is a long way to go as China has started being more assertive in it's stance against India.
 

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