If the Indian Army had to start a war with Pakistan

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Yes the cause of terror in India is propagated by Pak Army and ISI. Enough evidence is there about PA officers involved in terror attacks including 26/11.

We have always maintained that Pakistan uses terror as instrument of state policy.
 

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Yes the cause of terror in India is propagated by Pak Army and ISI. Enough evidence is there about PA officers involved in terror attacks including 26/11.

We have always maintained that Pakistan uses terror as instrument of state policy.
Yes, but we are not taking the corollary forward. If we accept that PA officers are involved in acts of terror, then we cannot continue normal ties with Pakistan, give them more water than is the norm anywhere else, recognize their occasional dictators or play cricket with them!
 

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Yes, but we are not taking the corollary forward. If we accept that PA officers are involved in acts of terror, then we cannot continue normal ties with Pakistan, give them more water than is the norm anywhere else, recognize their occasional dictators or play cricket with them!
Yes, all this will be stopped when India declares attack on Puki. This is not happening right now. What we have now is a directionless policy. We don't know how to tackle Puki and its elements so after every couple of years we change policy and grow hot and then cold.
 

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In pure military manner and excluding political mess..

Islamabad & Karachi will be in Indian Hand in a week..
 

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Now the Chiefs further requested the PM that why ARMY and ISI are the main sources of terrorism in India and cn we tackle them by methods other than war?
What line of arguments should the PM of India prefer to give?

As PM of India give your lines of arguments?
 

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Yes, but we are not taking the corollary forward. If we accept that PA officers are involved in acts of terror, then we cannot continue normal ties with Pakistan, give them more water than is the norm anywhere else, recognize their occasional dictators or play cricket with them!
That's thanks to aman ka tamasha and some legacy seeking and delusional people. Read OP. I clearly stated that the political class has to understand and accept the fact that Pakistan and India can never reconcile.
 

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Yes, all this will be stopped when India declares attack on Puki. This is not happening right now. What we have now is a directionless policy. We don't know how to tackle Puki and its elements so after every couple of years we change policy and grow hot and then cold.
We are trying to clarify our little minds as why , what, where and when should India forces attack Pakistan. if at all/
 

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Now the Chiefs further requested the PM that why ARMY and ISI are the main sources of terrorism in India and cn we tackle them by methods other than war?
What line of arguments should the PM of India prefer to give?

As PM of India give your lines of arguments?
That is becaus all options have been exhausted including dossiers etc.

The realization has dawned that Pakistan is a Laato ka bhoot and enough of the Baatein. That's where we start.
 

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may be another Kargil style attack if at all.

But in the Pakistani context, does the Indian army have any ORBAT ready for being the aggressor for a change?

What will the objective of the war be? We know that the Cold Start doctrine has been around now for half a dozen years or more. ,

a full scale war that is will have to be launched by India to protect its own interests.
Its highly unlikely this may happen with Satellites observation so does UAV..

There is always the concept of Counter attack remains, Crush the enemy attack by crushing its origin..

Objective can be of two types, a) Destroy PAF, PA, PN put fear in PAK eiites by any-means, b) Destroy enemy Capital get on it..

Full scale war indeed with objective to crush Pakistani defense and Infrastructure to send them back in stone age, So that we dont have to think about them.
 

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Pm of India stated:

# Pak Army along with ISI and Mullahs have emerged the most powerful faction cemented by the Army.

# This block has vested interest in perpetuation of conflict between India and Pakistan in order to maintain and continue remaining in command and power position inside Pakistan.

# Till the time Army is in the commanding position they would not allow any civilian govt and diplomacy to be the deciding agencies in relations between India and Pakistan. last pst sixty years or so have fully established that.
# This institution of Pakistan is unfortunately under command or under influence of any other agency including foreign agencies.
# Having lost all hopes on conventional military operations, the Army, ISI and Mullahs have adopted proxy war vide terrorism as their main instrument of coercion against India.
# Terrorist activities inside India have also become a reason for Pakistani Army, ISI and Mullahs to maintain dominant position in society and governance.

# If India decides to finish off or lesson this scourge of terrorism, there is a need to weaken the position of power of Pakistan Army in their society and government.
# This can be achieved by attacking Pakistan and bringing Pakistani Army to defeat and shame them again like in 1971 so that they do not retain dominant powerful position in policy making.
# Then only other negotiated methods of lessoning terrorism in India can yield success.

Hence brave chiefs : Bring the Pakistani Army to the battle and break up their back so that they do not remain as dominant decision makers. Bring them to shame and reduce their izat in their society . We can negotiate with others. Remember, you will have to aim at those places where Pakistani generals will be brought to the battle and their forces decimated. Bring the bully to shame then only they will be ready to come to the table. US Army has amply demonstrated that at Salala and Osama ka Laden incidents

Jai Hind

you all may offer your versions of PM's briefs.
 
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you can not take paki army lightly.

Paki army is like a man who's wife has been gang raped by NATO and he is looking for revenge:taunt::taunt::laugh::laugh:
 

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you can not take paki army lightly.

Paki army is like a man who's wife has been gang raped by NATO and he is looking for revenge:taunt::taunt::laugh::laugh:
They were better of in 1971 and that was hundred times more horrible than gang rape !
No one specially IA takes them lightly. They are horrible even when being raped.

Ah! so you are Pak expert of the forum. so you give PM directive to the Chiefs!
 

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Funny enough, this thread will take us back to the original indian doctrine by the late great Gen Sundarji!! Just shows what a far sighted and great thinker he was!
 

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Funny enough, this thread will take us back to the original indian doctrine by the late great Gen Sundarji!! Just shows what a far sighted and great thinker he was!
Gen Sunderji's doctrine was aimed at destruction of Pakistan. In this thread we are trying to make reasons for the destruction of Pakistani Armed Forces in order to bring in civilian supremacy to reach at a favourable accord to lesson terrorism in India.

Vast difference
However, where is your directive as PM .
 
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Gen Sunderji's doctrine was aimed at destruction of Pakistan. In this thread we are trying to make reasons for the destruction of Pakistani Armed Forces in order to bring in civilian supremacy to reach at a favourable accord to lesson terrorism in India.

Vast difference
However, where is your directive as PM .
There is a difference between destruction o what you are hinting at and what Sundarji envisaged. He clearly called for break up of Pakistan.

I have already defined the objective of the war in more than one lost in bits.
 

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India would not achive much by destruction of Pakistan. It is better not to have a chaos on your borders. India does not covet an inch of their territory except POK which is part of India.

The political aim of India would be " To eliminate proxy war waging potential of Pak Army and ISI through Islamic terrorism inside India" ... for that the decision making role of Army needs reduction in their society....
Pak army indulges in calculated brinkmanship...
 

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India would not achive much by destruction of Pakistan. It is better not to have a chaos on your borders. India does not covet an inch of their territory except POK which is part of India.

The political aim of India would be " To eliminate proxy war waging potential of Pak Army and ISI through Islamic terrorism inside India" ... for that the decision making role of Army needs reduction in their society....
Pak army indulges in calculated brinkmanship...
Having stated the political aim of India , now can any one tell me how is that achievable ?? Except militarily which has been discussed....
 

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Let us make it short, we needs only two things.

1) Get back our territory. The entire POK.

2) Free Sindh and Balochistan.
 

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Let us make it short, we needs only two things.

1) Get back our territory. The entire POK.

2) Free Sindh and Balochistan.
Get back our territory. The entire POK.

# Who stopped India entering today's POK and Gilgit, Hunza and Baltistan when Mahraja signed instrument of accession. These were under Mahraja of Kashmir !
# who stopped Indian Army entering POK in 1948 ?
# Who gave back territories like Hazipeer back to Pakistan in 1965.

There are many questions to answer for the politicians those who mattered in the historical times.


Free Sindh and Balochistan

Baluchistan yes. With the faint hope that India may get direct access to Afghanistan through Gwadar but Cha Bahar is equally nearby and good. Let Pakistan jump and denty acess to India but it is not possible.

And Free Sindh for what? So that Rest of Pakistan depends on Kandla for imports... Just avoid the Pakies of any hue any where. It would be a wise decision.

Are both objective worth a war that will take back Indian economy by ten years? yes RAW can do that but still not worth it.... Let Pakjabies remain under tremendous burden of these areas...

In Pakistan let Baluchies kill Sindhies, Sarkias kill Punjabies, sindhies kill Muhajir and Muhajir the Pathans, tribal kill punjabies and Punjabies every one else.

It is chaos galore.... RAW should invest in that. invest money on TTP and Haqanies...
 

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Get back our territory. The entire POK.

# Who stopped India entering today's POK and Gilgit, Hunza and Baltistan when Mahraja signed instrument of accession. These were under Mahraja of Kashmir !
# who stopped Indian Army entering POK in 1948 ?
# Who gave back territories like Hazipeer back to Pakistan in 1965.

There are many questions to answer for the politicians those who mattered in the historical times.


Free Sindh and Balochistan

Baluchistan yes. With the faint hope that India may get direct access to Afghanistan through Gwadar but Cha Bahar is equally nearby and good. Let Pakistan jump and denty acess to India but it is not possible.

And Free Sindh for what? So that Rest of Pakistan depends on Kandla for imports... Just avoid the Pakies of any hue any where. It would be a wise decision.

Are both objective worth a war that will take back Indian economy by ten years? yes RAW can do that but still not worth it.... Let Pakjabies remain under tremendous burden of these areas...

In Pakistan let Baluchies kill Sindhies, Sarkias kill Punjabies, sindhies kill Muhajir and Muhajir the Pathans, tribal kill punjabies and Punjabies every one else.

It is chaos galore.... RAW should invest in that. invest money on TTP and Haqanies...
Which ever way you go, you will find a war and it will be fight till finish.
 

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