If the Indian Army had to start a war with Pakistan

[Bhadra]

Right Now TWO things are Happening

Pakistan is withering away in a slow meltdown due to the TOXIC religious
cesspool that they have created PLUS a dysfunctional economy which has led to
the further growth of all sorts of mafias who are fighting each other
such as what we see in Karachi

Secondly Indian armed forces are focussed on China and WITHOUT having a two front capability
It would be foolish to attack Pakistan Because it would give China a perfect oppurtunity
to hurt India and China would definitely intervene

Once we have a two front capability China would throw the Pakis aside

Punkaj,

The question is simple. In the present state of conditions what political aims of India Indian Army can achieve visa vis Pakistan? For that define present day Politcal aim of India Vis a Vis Pakisatn.

One is to ensure India's territorial integrity and sovereignity against Pakistan. That Indian Army is doing against Pakistani challanges.

Tell me what else? you say do not allow Chinese and Pakistani military attacks to collies and converge ? Indian state and Indian army I think are making best efforts towards that.

But these are realms of conventional military operations. Here people are talking about IA attacking Pakistan !

I am asking define Political aim of such an attack by Indian Armed Forces on Pakistan ?

For example " To bring about a breakdown in Pakistani militray structure, capture and annex Pakistani Punjab with India" . That defines aim and objective.

 

[Bhadra]

First question we need to ask is our military has capability to attack pakistan to get decesive win?

All the three services have their own short coming. We have to prepare for at least year to win war. It should be time of our choice, etc lots of considrations, plus last but not least Pakistan nuclear blackmail.

Suppose all three to four (in four include DRDO) are fully prepared and capable but what is the political aim of India in attacking Pakistan?

 

[pankaj nema]

@ Bhadra

All wars have a political objective

Another terror attack like 26/ 11 and the gloves
will be off India will have to respond NO matter what The objective would be revenge

Even Pakis know that

IA cannot go to war alone unlike the PA which started Kargil

So this Question is flawed

It should be if INDIA has to start a war with Pakistan

 

[sayareakd]

Suppose all three to four (in four include DRDO) are fully prepared and capable but what is the political aim of India in attacking Pakistan?

Fourth arm is OFB. Intell is invisible arm. Political objective, finish problem for ever, we dont want this to continue with our kids.

 

[Bhadra]

Fourth arm is OFB. Intell is invisible arm. Political objective, finish problem for ever, we dont want this to continue with our kids.

What problem?
Say that? What are the problems Pakistan is creating which others are not creating? Suppose Pakistan does not create those problems, you would be able to stay peacefully with them?

Define the unacceptable deeds of Pakistan.

 

[pankaj nema]

IA is just one element of national power

Before going to war will have to prepare IAF and IN Because it would be a joint attack by
all three services

Also BMD network and Strategic forces ie Nukes will have to kept ready just in case

 

[Bhadra]

@ Bhadra

All wars have a political objective

Another terror attack like 26/ 11 and the gloves
will be off India will have to respond NO matter what The objective would be revenge

Even Pakis know that

IA cannot go to war alone unlike the PA which started Kargil

So this Question is flawed

It should be if INDIA has to start a war with Pakistan

Read the tread and background completely...
India has decided to go in for a War... OK

I am asking, now tell your military what is your Political aim? If you are the PM what will you tell the three Chiefs ?

 

[pankaj nema]

There is no political aim vis a vis Pakstan because India is NOT looking for Paki territory at all

The military objective would be to degrade the Paki war machine so that Pak army
becomes weak and stops terrorism against India

 

[pankaj nema]

ALL these delusions about taking back POK and cutting off Paki links with China are BS

Once we go in for such stupid manuvers we are infact INVITING the Chinese to join the party

We want China to " LOOK the other way " when we have a go at the Pakis

This is possible ONLY when we become very strrong so that the Chinese
will be DISSUADDED from coming to the aid of Pakis

 

[Bhadra]

So as the PM of the country you will tell your three chiefs " My friends

There is no political aim vis a vis Pakstan because India is NOT looking for Paki territory at all

The military objective would be to degrade the Paki war machine so that Pak army
becomes weak and stops terrorism against India

Well the Air chief is bewildered and asks
" Well if there is no political objective, why are you sending us to war?"

what does Nema as PM says.
the neval chief asks " but degarde Pakis war machines to what purpose? Pakies are not launching war on India with their war machine. By degrading it, what will India achive?"

Now as PM of India answer.

 

[Bhadra]

ALL these delusions about taking back POK and cutting off Paki links with China are BS

Once we go in for such stupid manuvers we are infact INVITING the Chinese to join the party

We want China to " LOOK the other way " when we have a go at the Pakis

This is possible ONLY when we become very strrong so that the Chinese
will be DISSUADDED from coming to the aid of Pakis

Remain focused on Pakistan and do not drag China in between . we are discussing a focussed topic.

 

[pankaj nema]

Now as PM of India answer.

Thanks for this honour

What is and has been our objective wrt Pakistan

It is that Pakis accept status quo on Kashmir AND give up terrorism against India

When PAF PN and PA have been degraded in a war with India only then Pakis will START behaving

 

[Yusuf]

Ok, when I say IA, it means armed forces in its entirety.

 

[noob101]

There is no political aim vis a vis Pakstan because India is NOT looking for Paki territory at all

The military objective would be to degrade the Paki war machine so that Pak army
becomes weak and stops terrorism against India

it is not the military might of pakistan per se that is behind that terror attacks behind India, It is really in Pakistans head that Kashmir belongs to the country of the pure and faithful not to the pagans...

 

[Bhadra]

The military objective would be to degrade the Paki war machine so that Pak army
becomes weak and stops terrorism against India

"sir" says the Army Chief, " before change in regime, Bangladesh was also posing terrorist threat in spite of their weak military. How are sure that Pakistan will not conduct terrorist operations inside India with weak military?''

Now Punkaj Nema as PM will have to answer.

 

[Bhadra]

it is not the military might of pakistan per se that is behind that terror attacks behind India, It is really in Pakistans head that Kashmir belongs to the country of the pure and faithful not to the pagans...

Noob, Musharraf openly declared that even if you hand over J&K to us Jihad inside India will not stop.

 

[pankaj nema]

Remain focused on Pakistan and do not drag China in between . we are discussing a focussed topic.

You have NOT heard of this often quoted phrase by the Indian Military
that China will fight India to the last Pakistani

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...es/9924-china-fight-india-last-pakistani.html

 

[Bhadra]

But on this thread the PM of India, Pankaj Nema is required to answer to the Army Chief " Who said, all of India's neighbours have weak miltaries but they all one way or the other help terrorism in India. Nepal is helping Naxals due to Naxal govt there. Then how are we sure degrading Pakistan military will eleiminate terrorism in India?'

answer that?

 

[pankaj nema]

All terrorism in this region and beyond is sponsored by Pak Army

Unless Pak army is neutralised terrorism will continue to happen

Just google these words " Pakistan is a FRAGILE state "

The western doomsday theorists wants to PREVENT a India Pak war for precisely this reason
that is the Pak Military will be demolished by Indian Military and Pakistan is HELD TOGETHER
only by Pak Military

SO according to the doomsday theorists like Mr Bhadra
after a India Pak war The Islamists will easily take over Pakistan and Paki nukes

So it means that we must continue to accept paki terrorism WOW

 

[Bhadra]

But Pakistan Army is not attacking India.
What do you mean by neutralise the Paki Army?
Pak Army will say give us Kashmir and we will not do anything.
Will Nema as PM hand over Kashmir to Paki ARMY/

you are somewhere there in defining the problem but you are varying around the object but not hitting the nail on the head?

The question is, During Benzir Bhuttos time as also during her fathers time, India faced maximum terrorist activities.

What happens if Pakistani Army is weakened by India?
Is the cause of terrorism in India Pakistani Army.
Say something honorable PM sir?