IAF seeks direct control of HAL to stem eroding combat-edge

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  1. lambu

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    NEW DELHI: With an eye on the future and fed up with the "bureaucratic culture" pervading Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), the country's only aircraft manufacturer, IAF now wants the control of the navratna defence PSU.

    IAF has asked the defence ministry (MoD) to appoint one of its three-star officers, instead of a bureaucrat, as the chairman and managing director of HAL once the present incumbent Ashok Nayak retires on October 31.

    MoD sources confirmed IAF had even proposed the name of present assistant chief of air staff (operations & space), Air Vice Marshal M Matheswaran, a top-notch fighter pilot now approved for the air marshal rank, for the HAL post.

    "The matter is being examined...no final decision has been taken," said a source. Simultaneously, a panel of names has also been drawn up to include Pawan Hans chief R K Tyagi, a defence accounts service officer S N Mishra, who earlier was joint secretary (aerospace) in MoD, and MSTC chairman S K Tripathi, among others.

    IAF's revolutionary proposal, on the face of it, makes a lot of sense. As HAL's biggest customer, it has every reason to be worried that most projects being handled by the PSU, which has a sales turnover of over Rs 13,000 crore, have been plagued by time and cost overruns.

    IAF contends the HAL chief should be someone who "understands aerospace concepts" and can "transform" HAL into a cutting-edge company, capable of delivering on time, to stem its fast-eroding combat edge. The force is down to just about 32 fighter squadrons from a "sanctioned strength" of 39.5 squadrons.

    Most ongoing HAL projects like the ones for the Tejas light combat aircraft, Dhruv advanced light helicopters and indigenous production of Sukhoi-30MKI fighters as well as Hawk AJTs (advanced jet trainers) are all running behind schedule.

    Moreover, HAL is also going to handle new programmes worth billions of dollars with foreign collaborators in the near future. They range from the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) and fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) to light utility helicopters and multi-role transport aircraft (MTA).

    The $10.4 billion MMRCA project to acquire 126 fighters, for instance, is all set to be sealed by December. With just two contenders now left in contention, Eurofighter Typhoon and French Rafale, the project will see only the first 18 jets come in "fly-away condition", while the rest will be manufactured by HAL after transfer of technology.

    An even bigger project will be the joint development of the stealth FGFA with Russia for which the $295 million preliminary design contract was inked last December. The cost of designing, infrastructure build-up, prototype development and flight testing of FGFA is pegged at $11 billion. India and Russia will chip in $5.5 billion each.

    Moreover, each of the 250-300 FGFA India hopes to begin inducting from 2020 onwards will cost around $100 million each. Consequently, India will spend upwards of $35 billion over the next two decades on the FGFA.

    IAF seeks direct control of HAL to stem eroding combat-edge - The Times of India
     
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    mattster Respected Member Senior Member

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    Crack the wip, excellent play by IAF.
     
  4. Ayush

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    Good effort

    Its a good effort. I ope there won't be beureacratic delays in decision making and acquisition in HAL once IAF takes over.
     
  5. ace009

    ace009 Freakin' Fighter fan Elite Member

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    I don't think it's going to happen. In India, bureaucrats are like God. MoD will not allow an AF officer to replace a bureaucrat.
    I remember some years back when I was standing in line for Indian Immigration service at Delhi airport, the Immigration officers were pretty rude to all of us Indians, Doctors, Scientists, IT professionals even Army officers. Then some IAS guy came around and the immigration officers were falling over each other to please the guy! I was standing there and wondering that a country that still considers bl00dy bureaucrats as the most valuable citizens must be still living in the 60s!
    Indians have to get over the idea that Govt jobs, especially bureaucratic jobs are the most valuable and bureaucrats are VIPs. Till that happens and GOI learns to replace bureaucrats with technocrats, India will remain piss poor in policy development and implementation.
     
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    nitesh Mob Control Manager Stars and Ambassadors

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    Isn't IN chaps are part of decision making in shipyards? Does they perform well? I think this is not going to be a game changing move. What is needed is change in attitude, and declaring these units of strategic interest, which are not bound by quota system as first step.
     
  7. asianobserve

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    HAL shold be privatised. Efficiency is not the selling point of governments. The private sector should be leading the way in this key industry.
     
  8. gogbot

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    DO it , if IAF wants to take over control give tit to them.
     
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    Good. At least there will not be shifting goal posts between development and blame Drdo and HAL for it.
     
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    Vladimir79 Defence Professionals Defence Professionals

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    Military takeover of state industry? Sounds like something Iran would do. :twitch:
     
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    hey, even Iran might have some good ideas - :D
     
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    Have you seen their rusting military lately? :D
     
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    The Iranians don't care about equipment integrity, they know that Mighty Allah is always on their side in case of war...
     
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    Better go for a good CEO , not a Bureaucrats or any defence personals .
     
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    I am not sure what a significant push will this bring about, if at all in the wildest of the dreams of IAF if it were to ever happen?

    Top job being handed over to no matter who, will do nothing, get the best chap in the business from anywhere in the world, why just someone from IAF, but still absolutely nothing will happen if the rest of the system rots.

    All that will happen is, initially the blame game that was limited to babus for their tardy show will then have to be shared by the IAF as well and then as such they are not seen as “pro-indigenization”, rest aside the quality and technology that gets manufactured, and then conspiracy theorists will get another chance of saying, all that IAF was interested in was to make sure the little indigenization that was happening further goes down the dumps.

    And the way the politics gets played in these government run orgs, rest assured this IAF chap will be pushed to the corner on almost every aspect, but true to their nature IAF will take the blame but still be more than willing to sort out the mess, but who will allow such a person/IAF to do it, not the babus around and in this org, not the unions, not the politicians.

    Pointlessly too many expectations will be raised.

    If you have to do anything, clean up the bloody system in these orgs, change the culture within, usher in privatization, fresh talented blood and with privatization let the salaries see a decent jump, and then get someone to head the org else and seriously at that point in time if all these things were to happen there would be no point in having anyone from the services as well, all that should then happen is a one man/team contact point between this org and the services.
     
  17. Vladimir79

    Vladimir79 Defence Professionals Defence Professionals

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    They should turn it into a joint stock company and bring in corporate officers to run if state control is so important.
     
  18. Godless-Kafir

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    They should sell 50% of its stake to a Private company like Mahindra or TATA! They will run it better and GOI can add to the funding bit.
     
  19. Rahul Singh

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    It is a stupid idea and wicked play by AHQ, if i can say so? Unlike western forces and even our Navy, airforce has yet to set a in-house research facility for developing critical and very critical technologies. Hell, they don't even have a body which can foresee requirements and prepare futuristic GSQR (which doesn't get obsolete in months). What AHQ does is shopping, shopping mature technologies not cutting edge revolutionary and game changing technologies. And now they want to control HAL. One thing is sure if they get hold of HAL they will kill all R&D in flash and convert HAL into just Nut Job (assembling with ToT) agency. If Airforce is anywhere near serious, then AHQ should permanently station a detachment in the premises of HAL, take part in their day to day working, put a dedicated body in MoD as well and coordinate efforts and streamline working between Mod - AHQ - HAL.
     
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    They will run it better but in what direction? So far i have yet to see a private company keenly interested in serious R&D. All i have seen, is long tongue twisting hard for feast out of manufacturing (DRDO developed tech) or 100% government funded R&D. We should wait little more before we can depend on our private companies for solution to all problems.
     
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    Private companies will flock to a business venture if profits can be derived from it. Indians private businesses are no exception. So for a more rational defense industry India should put the private sector as the prime contractor of weapons systems. How do you encourage R&D? Put competition into the mix and voila you've got a vibrant and productive defense sector!
     

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