IAF asked to be ready for ‘wars’ with Pakistan, China

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Few points for you
A) which joker told you Rafale has 75% serviceability? The only user with numbers is France and their availability is 55% and I am talking of official report in FRENCH SENATE. So I would go for what is given in the senate.

B) The availability rate of Su-30 MKI was due to spares, and after Parrikar became the DM, he identified the problem and ensured that the parts arrive within a month of order (earlier the parts would come a year after order)

C) I shall quote a source directly
"MoD was informed about serious problems with IAF's management of spares. By standard norms, a fighter fleet consumes five per cent of its worth in consumables and spares each year. By that benchmark the Su-30MKI fleet, currently worth about Rs 69,000 crore - 193 Su-30MKIs at Rs 358 crore a fighter - should consume spares worth Rs 3,450 crore annually. Yet, IAF orders from HAL add up to less than Rs 50 crore, including ground handling equipment."
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...mki-s-poor-serviceability-114102300006_1.html
This is IAF for you.

C) France has very high availability for Mirage 2000, and India is one of the air force where it was grounded due to lack of spares.. 0 AVAILABILITY. So the problem is with the plane? the country making the plane? or the people who use and maintain the plane?

Just to sum it, Parrikar is not a IAF technical person, but when he puts in new ideas for ordering spares, the availability rate has gone past 55% and is aiming to reach 75% and compare this with Availability rate of Rafale in French air force 55% you have the clear picture.,

The Army went for T-90 because of the weight, The weight is directly related to transporting the tanks. T-90 weigh less than 50 tons and Arjun weighs in excess of 60 tons and that is the BIG DIFFERENCE,

Indian Army wants their future tank to weigh less than 50 tons.

Let me give you an example, The best tank with best gun and best armour was King Tiger or Tiger 2. and also you can add the wonderful Panther Tank (PzKw V) but the best and most sucesssful design was T-34/85
It had 85 mm gun, excellent suspension that allowed it to fire when moving. The Russian tanks moved freely where as the german tanks got stuck.

Understand one thing, a tank that cannot reach front lines is useless tank,. Unless the enemy is stupid enough to attack the tank lines instead of bypassing them and then attacking them based on their own advantage.
Thats a lesson for you about tank combat.
But the m1 Abrams weigh 68 tons, yet the US bought 10,000 of these.
 

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flexing muscles and motivating the IAF ...
nothing's going to happen ..........
 

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But the m1 Abrams weigh 68 tons, yet the US bought 10,000 of these.
Well the Muricans have some 200+ c-17's and some 50+ c-5's.....................

They have hundreds of amphibious landing systems and hovercrafts
 

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Well the Muricans have some 200+ c-17's and some 50+ c-5's.....................

They have hundreds of amphibious landing systems and hovercrafts
If we keep on buying foreign junk then how are we supposed to make our own?
Heck the Indian Army also wants foreign radio equipment, which Parrikar accepted only on one condition, ie later orders must be of Indian made.

And you expect me to believe these lot.
 

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If we keep on buying foreign junk then how are we supposed to make our own?
Heck the Indian Army also wants foreign radio equipment, which Parrikar accepted only on one condition, ie later orders must be of Indian made.

And you expect me to believe these lot.
Arjun was only developed because their was a speculation that Pakis might get m1 abrams with depleted uranium armour and rounds.............
Development started and pakis ditched the plan................

Yes it is the reluctance of army's top brass to induct Arjun in numbers is hurting indian defense industry
 

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pakis ditched the plan................
They wouldn't have gotten hands on that uranium armour anyway. Americans would have pitched just the normal M1s. The last thing anyone would want is an unstable state to have an indestructible tank.
 

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They wouldn't have gotten hands on that uranium armour anyway. Americans would have pitched just the normal M1s. The last thing anyone would want is an unstable state to have an indestructible tank.
All this was being discussed under Zia's pakistan(80's),Pakis were openly supporting the Muricans in the operation cyclone against the soviets in the afghan war............

They also got some f-16's from muricans in that tenure
 

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Come on guys stop the shit....
Did really govt asked IAF to get ready for war without telling to other branches?
It's just a speculation by our shit media.
 

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IAF is weakest among all three of the services. It's due to officers who got played in the hands of leaders. They cannot decide what exactly they want. This is most probably because

1. India is not capable in terms of producing engine
2. Weak leadership in IAF who could not convince the leaders to get the technology ASAP
 

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Actually nobody wants a war so it is a good idea to provoke our enemies. We must do heavy shelling on Pakistani post every few day and intrude in Tibet time to time. We must not forget to target Pakistani soldiers evry few days and must plan surgical strikes time to time and release videos to embrace porki army. We should also shoot down few pakistani choppers and planes with short range missile if they fly near our border.
 

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Lol my fear is IAF might drops their plane on pakis but bombs.
 

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Are you illiterate or you simply dont understand the topics?
I mentioned Indian army, and mentioned that Indian army prefers T-90 over Arjun simply because of weight, T-90 can be easily deployed where Arjuns cant be,. T-90 weigh less than 50 tons and Arjuns weigh more than 60 tons. So which part of this you did not understand?

Let the Americans buy what they want, its their problem.

Let me ask you a logic, Americans use M1 Abrams, why cant the Germans use Abrams why do they use Leopards? Or Leclerc? or challengers for that matter?

And just to reply to your point in different way.
Americans have a better roads and infrasctruture than India, Further they dont have enemies on their borders. so they do have a need to have urgent deployment by road/trains needed. They need planes as most is overseas deployments.

If you use your logic, is it not better for India to sell Arjun to the Americans because it has the same weight as Mi Abrams?

Next time please try to use some logic before you shoot off a question.

But the m1 Abrams weigh 68 tons, yet the US bought 10,000 of these.
 

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Maybe do all the actual user testing of Brahmos on the porkies just because we can.
We can try that for air launched Brahmos, Target their GHQ and see how well does Brahmos do

Actually nobody wants a war so it is a good idea to provoke our enemies. We must do heavy shelling on Pakistani post every few day and intrude in Tibet time to time. We must not forget to target Pakistani soldiers evry few days and must plan surgical strikes time to time and release videos to embrace porki army. We should also shoot down few pakistani choppers and planes with short range missile if they fly near our border.
 

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IAF collects brochures of all the plane and then hangs poster of one of the plane (presently Rafale)
when mom (GoI) asks them what sort of plane they want, they take out points from all the brochures and then gives the requirements to HAL/
Example... for Tejas they wont accept without AESA radar, but for Mirage 2000 upgrade, they did not even ask for AESA which is actually available and yet IAF for Tejas says that its very very important to have AESA else they cannot accept Tejas.. double standards
What I suggest in very nice way is, retired all the people from ACM to Air commodores, and then start working with the crop available and develop them or would these top officers prefer a purge?

IAF is weakest among all three of the services. It's due to officers who got played in the hands of leaders. They cannot decide what exactly they want. This is most probably because

1. India is not capable in terms of producing engine
2. Weak leadership in IAF who could not convince the leaders to get the technology ASAP
 

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Do you know the M1 Abrams has an aero engine? And it gets so hot that if an ATGM with heat seeking war head is used, it will take down the engine. One of the fuel component is jet fuel
They wouldn't have gotten hands on that uranium armour anyway. Americans would have pitched just the normal M1s. The last thing anyone would want is an unstable state to have an indestructible tank.
 

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The two front theory is already a decade old and IAF knows about it already,.
Rather in two front theory, Army and IAF will be useful on both fronts, navy will be just one front.

Come on guys stop the shit....
Did really govt asked IAF to get ready for war without telling to other branches?
It's just a speculation by our shit media.
 

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lol IAF is in no position to take on any air force. they have less than 33 squadrons, which consist of aging MIG-21s, Jaguars, and Su-30 MKIs that keep falling out of the sky atleast 2-3 times in a year. LCA Tejas is nowhere close to being inducted and lets not even bring up the Rafale saga. the only saving grace of Indian Armed Forces is Indian Navy and even they are struggling with submarines
 

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Do you know the M1 Abrams has an aero engine? And it gets so hot that if an ATGM with heat seeking war head is used, it will take down the engine. One of the fuel component is jet fuel
Yes I do know about that, infact, nowadays, Indian Railways also use Gas Turbine engines in its newer WDP4 and WDG4 onward series of locomotives. M1 abrams doesn't work just on jet fuel it also works on Diesel.
 

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Are you illiterate or you simply dont understand the topics?
I mentioned Indian army, and mentioned that Indian army prefers T-90 over Arjun simply because of weight, T-90 can be easily deployed where Arjuns cant be,. T-90 weigh less than 50 tons and Arjuns weigh more than 60 tons. So which part of this you did not understand?

Let the Americans buy what they want, its their problem.

Let me ask you a logic, Americans use M1 Abrams, why cant the Germans use Abrams why do they use Leopards? Or Leclerc? or challengers for that matter?

And just to reply to your point in different way.
Americans have a better roads and infrasctruture than India, Further they dont have enemies on their borders. so they do have a need to have urgent deployment by road/trains needed. They need planes as most is overseas deployments.

If you use your logic, is it not better for India to sell Arjun to the Americans because it has the same weight as Mi Abrams?

Next time please try to use some logic before you shoot off a question.
M1 Abram origin USA , weight 68 tons, crew 4, produced 10,000.
Leopard tank origin Germany , weight 62 tons, crew 4, produced 4000~
Merkava origin Israel , weight 65 tons, crew 4, produced 2000~
Challenger origin UK , weight 62 tons, crew 4, produced 450.
Altay origin turkey , weight 65 tons, crew 4, planned 1000.
Arjun tank origin India , weight 68 tons, crew 4, produced not even 400.:rofl:


T-90 origin Russia , weight 50 tons, crew 3, ~~~~~~~~~~
Leclerc origin France , weight 57 tons, crew 3, produced 900.
K1,K2 origin South Korea , weight 55 tons, crew 3, produced 2000
Type ~ origin Japan , weight 50 tons, crew 3, produced 2000~
AL Khalid origin Pork , weight 50 tons, crew 3, produced/planned 1000 :rofl:


Rest all countries either Russian(max) or Western tanks.

Damn! the amount of Home currency these countries save.
 

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Hey guys,why are we discussing weight of ARJUN in IAF related thread???:confused1::confused1::confused1::confused1::confused1::confused1::confused1::confused1::confused1:
 

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