IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabilities

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  1. sasi

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    New Delhi: The Army, having long suffered from deficiencies in night fighting electro-optical equipment, is set to make up critical deficiencies.
    Following footsteps of paramilitary forces and the National Security Guard (NSG),who have gone in for accelerated purchase of night vision devices after the 26/11 terrorist attack in Mumbai, the armed forces are now taking steps to improve their night fighting capabilities, according to Frontier India News Network.
    Army chief Gen Deepak Kapoor, had said in 2010 that “Indian Army’s tanks have a night vision capability of 20 percent while Pakistani’s have 80 percent and China has 100 percent”.
    The armed forces will review their doctrine, capabilities andshortcomings and also identifylatest trends and technologiesat a two-day seminar “Night Vision India 2013? on 16-17 January.
    The Centre for Land Warfare Studies, a think tank of the Indian Army is organising the seminar at the Air Force Auditorium here in collaboration with IMR Media, apublishing and event organising company.
    Delegates from the three Services will discuss tactics, techniques, and procedures that maximize our night-fighting technological advantages while countering the enemy’s night capabilities.
    The Army’s objective is to equip over 1,600 T-72 tanks which form the backbone of the country’s armoured forces, with advanced night fighting capabilities. The Army’s case for acquiring 700TISAS (thermal imaging stand alone systems) and 418 TIFACS (thermal fire control systems) for its T-72 fleet at a cost of around $230 million is in various stages of the procurement process. 300 Israeli TISAS were imported, followed by 3,860 image intensifier-based night-visiondevices. A huge requirement persists. 310 T-90S main-battle tanks (MBTs) were imported from Russia and fitted with French Catherine TI cameras.
    Indian Army T-72 Ajeya Tank on Display According to Major General RK Arora, ediotr of Indian Military Review magazine, Army also requires hand held thermal imaging (HHTI) sights (with laser rangefinder) for infantry, armoured,air defence, artillery and engineer regiments. The infantry is also looking for TI sights for medium machine guns and sniper rifles. RFIs for night sights for AK-47 assault rifles and other small arms have also been issued.
    Senior officers of the armed forces will address the delgates. Among them are Lt Gen Narendra Singh, Deputy chief of the army staff, Lt Gen Philip Campose, director general of perspective planning, Lt Gen JS Bajwa, director general Infantry and Lt Gen Vijay Sharma, engineer- in-cheif among others.
    Bharat Electronics Ltd (BEL) is the biggest supplier of night vision equipment to the armedforces. Anil Kumar, chairman &managing director of BEL is expected to give an overviewof BEL’s current and future plans.
    BEL recently supplied 30,600 passive night sights for rifles, rocket launchers and light machine guns, passive night vision binoculars and passive night vision goggles to the Army but the forces remain woefully short and arelooking for the latest 3rd generation technology to reduce weight and extend thelife of NVDs.
    The Indian Air Force has felt the need for helmet-mounted night vision goggle (NVG) for a long time. Unfortunately, these had serious drawbacks in the past. Originally designed for surface forces and subsequently modified forairlift and helicopters, they were very cumbersome and limited both the field of view and visual acuity and thus totally incompatible with fighter aircraft. Further, they were not stressed for high-G loading and were not safe to wear in an ejection.
    However, NVGs now in production resolve or minimize these problems and are specifically designed for fighter aircraft. Cockpit lighting has also improved.
    It is expected that such NVGs would come along with Rafale as and when it enters service. With this new generation of NVGs, the fighter force would be able to provide a simple, cost-effective night vision capability that would allow the aircraft to support special operations including low intensity conflict (LIC) missions24 hours a day.
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  3. Snuggy321

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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

    Ground forces have been neglected for years..... reassuring to hear that 20 % of our tanks can fight at night.
     
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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

    timeframe when will the upgrade be completed?

    i thought all of them were upgraded.

    i guess it is yet to start
     
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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

    i thought too. but yaar u know in india MOD has to issue tender wait for 10 yrs and again cancel the tender and issue again:sad::sad::sad:


    you guys are lucky in procurement of military stuff. 1 man decision end of story:thumb::thumb:
     
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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

    I think now procurement is getting fast tracked. The delays are in big ticket items where the potential for the losing party to create troubles exist.
     
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    This article may be a tad out of touch.

    As of Jan. 2012 the Indian Army Chief, Gen V K Singh was on record, to reporters on the sidelines of Army Day, saying that "seventy per cent of Indian tanks were out of the 'night blind' category".

    Seventy per cent tanks out of night-blind category: Gen V K Singh - Defence Now
     
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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

    Bad defense reporting, Old News being repeated for ratings..

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    Gunner Thermal Sight is situated to Right of FCS Sight, Same as in T-90S..
     
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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

    these 1600 tanks should be replaced by Arjun Mk-2. We can used these 1600 T72 for various roles like for mounting Akash missile, un manned tank, unmanned anti tank vehicle etc, even for mounting 105 mm or other heavy caliber gun.
     
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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

    You do know that this will require lots of expenditure do we have the bucks?
     
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    Not gonna happen. 1600 Arjun MKIIs would be way to expensive.
     
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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

    T-72m1 are meant to be replaced by FMBT, Now FMBT is dropped and the focus is on MK3..

    So, In future MK3 whose specs may be more or less same as FMBT will replace T-72M1 in mass, there is no issue with bucks..

     
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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

    yeah.......................
     
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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

    For a tank costs 7 million dollars? Ya, right.
     
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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

    Let us worry about cost of the same. It is Indian Tax payers money.
     
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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

    Hello All

    Good evening,

    I wanted to ask 3 questions related to our T-72M1 aka Soviet Monkey Model exported tank.

    Q1 :- It is the back bone of our beloved Indian army tank fleet why it is PARTIALLY upgraded why don't they upgrade it in one shot? Instead upgrade it like some Lego pieces with some Polish engine, firing control system, "night fighting capable NVGs", Thermal etc.

    Q2 :- The Iraqis Plan to Upgrade Their Hungarian made T-72M1 with Ukrainians and Russians Proposal. Can't we do that after all Ukrainians offered us to upgrade our T-90 they should give us a package offer of upgrading T-90s with T-72M1s since T-72 share some 60-70% "commonality" with the t-90s?

    Q3 :- What about the L&T- Raytheon offer of upgrading our T-72M1 with some next gen Thermals and night vision capibility mentioned in India Today magazine defence section? Which was also " reported " by Prasun SenGupta in his blog. Why r we Over stressing CVRDE guys with MK3 nobody has seen it. We don't know what r the specs, how does it look, what r its parameters n roles defined:sad:. Hell we don't even know how will final model of Mk2 will look like with its 2 prototypes. And if Mk3 do appears online (god knows when:namaste:) Will our tank commanders ride obsolete T-72 Ajeya Mk2s or r there any stop gap measures taken to ensure smooth transition ?????????
     
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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

    well hello chase! talking about upgrading completely it would
    be a waste as these are outdated and
    soon will be replaced.
    and the upgradation is not like some shampoo u get one package free for other!ek ke saath ek free:laugh:
     
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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

    Russians are smart. They will never allow any equipment to be fitted on any of thr designed tank unless they get something out of it. They just call off the guarantee if we do any such modification or refuse to provide codes for incorporating the changes.
     
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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

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    The Akash missile can be launched from a T-72 tank chassis
     
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    Re: IA plans to equip 1,600 T-72 tanks with night- fighting capabiliti

    Can't the other 80% send up flares? Oh, wait, that would blind the 20% with night vision. Never mind.

    Seriously, were IA tanks ever equipped with IR searchlight like M60A1?
     
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    It uses just the chasis, no fire control codes need to be changed for that. Russians have refused to give us codes for changing the ballastic computers on T-90 for Indian made and Israeli made shells. My info is never wrong SIR.
     

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