Hyder Ali/Tippu Thread

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@kseeker I think those rulers were actually Muslim, but they understood to keep their Government running they also need co-operation from Hindus, which would not be achieved if they follow Religious fundamentalism. Akbar took open policy only to take help from Rajputs.

So its clear they actually wanted to keep their Government running and religious persecution, hence these 2 cant be achieved simultaneously that's why some times they appeased Hindus, it came from Political necessity, not for respect to Hinduism in most cases.

Just like Akbar is said to have respect to Hinduism, thus he withdrawn Jijia tax, if so then why he declared "Jihad" against Mewer? So it is quite clear that those Hindu rulers who will accept Muslim rule will be allowed to practise Hinduism freely those who will not accept will be persecuted.

So it indicates their tolerance mainly came for political need. As they realized to Govern India properly co-operation of Hindus also necessary.

It is like our present political leaders who actually hate Muslims but appease them to get votes.
Absolutely correct. I agree with your views.
 
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Tipu Sultan - The man who slaughtered Hindus & Christians

Tipu Sultan - The Tyrant of Mysore - Rare Publications

1) It is not possible even to describe the brutalities committed by that Islamic barbarian from Mysore.

2) Accompanied by an army of 60,000, Tipu Sultan came to Kozhikode in 1788 and razed it to the ground.

3) Those who refused to convert to Islam were killed by hanging then and there.

4) Christian and Hindu women were forced to marry Muhammadans and similarly their men were forced to marry Muhammadan women.

5)Temples and Churches were ordered to be burnt, desecrated and destroyed

6) Tipu Sultan tied Christians and Hindus to the legs of elephants and made the elephants move till the bodies were tom to pieces

7) First mothers were hanged with children tied to the necks of their mothers.

8) Malabar invasion of Tipu was unleashing of a carnage. Fra Bartolomaco, Voyage of East India- cited by K.P. Padmanabha menon

Source:
https://twitter.com/RarePublication and the book
 
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Re: Tipu Sultan - The man who slaughtered Hindus & Christians

Dick Cheney was worse. :-D
 

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Re: Tipu Sultan - The man who slaughtered Hindus & Christians

Along with Hindus and Christians, Tipu slaughtered Muslims as well. Why are the Muslims not mentioned? As far as slaughtering is concerned, he was quite secular, as in, he killed folks irrespective of their religion but more in line of his political objectives. Exactly the same practice followed by other rulers (Hindus, Muslims, Christians etc).

We do have a dedicated thread for Tipu Sultan. So one can post all their hatred in one single place. :namaste:
 

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Re: Tipu Sultan - The man who slaughtered Hindus & Christians

Along with Hindus and Christians, Tipu slaughtered Muslims as well. Why are the Muslims not mentioned? As far as slaughtering is concerned, he was quite secular, as in, he killed folks irrespective of their religion but more in line of his political objectives. Exactly the same practice followed by other rulers (Hindus, Muslims, Christians etc).

We do have a dedicated thread for Tipu Sultan. So one can post all their hatred in one single place. :namaste:
india is a hindu,no muslim should forget this.
 

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Re: Tipu Sultan - The man who slaughtered Hindus & Christians

Tips Sultan is a fat cunt that no likes. The only thing that people remember him for is getting bent over and ----ed by Britishers.
 

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Re: Tipu Sultan - The man who slaughtered Hindus & Christians

Correction: India is Dharmic, how can one forget Sikhism Buddhism and Jainism.
yeah sure they are indic faiths but hinduism is major than them that's why.
 

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Re: Tipu Sultan - The man who slaughtered Hindus & Christians

Hey but no one gives him the credit that he defended the indian empire and was the last chance of any face saving by the indians,who had dissolved so well there are always two sides to a picture study both i know you hate "muhammadans" but let logical facts giveway to blind judgement.
 

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It is strange that Pakistanis seem to love Tipu Sultan so much. They've named some ship after him, even though he had nothing to do with their territory.

Even stranger that Akbar the mughal is so disliked by pakis that nothing is named after him!
 

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Paki terrorist read book on Tipu sultan

Clad in a kurta and pair of trousers, Kasab did not seem to be overly disturbed or worried about his fate, said an official, adding that he spent the better part of Wednesday reading the book, 'Aur Talwar Toot Gayee' (And the Sword is Broken) by Pakistani author Sharif Husain
And reason why pakis hate akbar:

Akbar has been systematically eliminated from most textbooks in Pakistan in order to "divert attention away from his 'misplaced' policies".

Akbar's name is not even listed among the Muslim rulers of India. In Pakistan Studies for secondary classes (ibid), he is not mentioned in the text along with other famous Islamic figures, a list that includes Mahmud Ghaznavi, Babur, Humayun, Shah Jahan, and Aurangzeb.

Typically, in Pakistan Studies written by Rabbani and Sayyid (Rabbani & Monawwar, 1992), Akbar is mentioned only while discussing Shaikh Ahmad Sirhindi, who according to Mubarak Ali, 'is projected as a hero challenging Akbar's religious policy and restoring Islamic values in India'

Many Pakistani historians interpret Akbar as dubiously Islamic, whereas his grandson, Aurangzeb is credited with saving Indian Islam from being swallowed up by misguided imperatives of Akbar. According to Zafar, "[Aurangzeb] reversed the policies of Akbar and made a genuine effort to give the State an Islamic orientation. Under Aurangzeb the Pakistan spirit gathered in strength"
 

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Tipu was a great king. Those forcefully converted people had no way to come back to Hinduism, as re-conversion was not system in contemporary Hinduism.
 

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Tipu was a great king. Those forcefully converted people had no way to come back to Hinduism, as re-conversion was not system in contemporary Hinduism.
Hmm...the founders of Vijayanagara empire Harihara and Bukka were captured by the Delhi(?) Sultan's army, forcibly circumcised and converted. They pretended to go along and escaped at an opportune time. They then got back to their native land and under the supervision of the sage Vidyaranyapura founded the Vijayanagara kingdom.
 

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Hmm...the founders of Vijayanagara empire Harihara and Bukka were captured by the Delhi(?) Sultan's army, forcibly circumcised and converted. They pretended to go along and escaped at an opportune time. They then got back to their native land and under the supervision of the sage Vidyaranyapura founded the Vijayanagara kingdom.
To reconvert to Hinduism, they had to undergo a great deal, they requested Sayanachraya who after a hard debate defeated other Hindu priests, and declared it is okay for these 2 to come back to hinduism.

Now not every was Harihar or Bukka, most were common people.
 

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To reconvert to Hinduism, they had to undergo a great deal, they requested Sayanachraya who after a hard debate defeated other Hindu priests, and declared it is okay for these 2 to come back to hinduism.

Now not every was Harihar or Bukka, most were common people.
We need the likes of Sayanacharya today to bring back converts !
 

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Hmm...the founders of Vijayanagara empire Harihara and Bukka were captured by the Delhi(?) Sultan's army, forcibly circumcised and converted. They pretended to go along and escaped at an opportune time. They then got back to their native land and under the supervision of the sage Vidyaranyapura founded the Vijayanagara kingdom.
I am not sure about the theory that hakka bukka were captured and sent to delhi where they were converted and sent back to deccan to rule/administer as a satrap of sultan. But once they came back south, they under influence of Sringeri sage re-convered and started a hindu fightback via vijayanagara empire.

Am not sure sultans trusted natives and gave them high positions in their kingdoms so early. Untill then, only malik-kafur was the only native guy who rose to became army chief. But eeven he started as low officer in army and grew on basis of merit. So hakka/bukka directly being given authority to rule over entire deccan may not be a possibilty. Even in bengal, they didn't empower locals, why will the sultan empower the lowly recent converts. Infact untill mughals, northern indian islamic kingdoms never empowered local/native muslims. But southern based bahamanis actually empowered local/native muslims by giving high positions in admin.

Hakka/bukka were related to hoysala royality. They never went to dilli/north. Their converting and re-converting back is more of myth imo.
 

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