How the U.S. can punish Pakistan (Forbes)

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  1. JayATL

    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    Shrink or end U.S. dependency on Pakistan as a supply line. Use our Central Asian allies to move more cargo by air and develop a supply line through India. Yes, the land route through India would be far longer and, on the Afghan side at least, roads and bridges would have to be improved. But we did the Berlin Airlift, we can do this. This would cost Pakistan in port fees, customs and prestige. And the symbol of using its enemy, India, would be deeply felt. It would be best to develop the India route in secret and announce its opening at a time of our choosing. It would be costly and prone to sabotage—but so is our current way of moving supplies. And so was the Berlin Airlift.

    Direct the Voice of America to focus on corruption in Pakistan. Hard news reporting of payoffs to politicians and generals in Islamabad would electrify the opposition in Pakistan. America’s government-funded news service could also interview responsible opposition leaders, who would call for an end to military rule and the return of civil rights for women and minorities. This means working with Pakistan’s secular Left and its reformist lawyers. Again, the Obama Administration should feel at home championing the same message as the president outlined in his famous Cairo speech.

    Stop selling military gear to Pakistan that it doesn’t need to fight terrorists. Why sell anti-submarine technology or anti-aircraft equipment or advanced avionics for jet fighters to Pakistan, when no terrorist outfit was a navy or an air force? Of course, this weaponry is designed to counter India, the world’s largest democracy and a friend to the United States. And much of this technology, like the wreck of the SEAL helicopter that crashed at bin Laden’s compound, is ultimately shared with China, which is not an American ally.

    Call AT&T. Every month, the phone giant pays the government of Pakistan millions of dollars. Here’s how it works. Pakistan has to pay for access to AT&T’s satellites and undersea cables and AT&T pays for access to Pakistan’s phone network. Since roughly three times as many calls originate in America than they do in Pakistan, virtually every month AT&T owes Pakistan more than Pakistan owes AT&T. By executive order or congressional action, AT&T could be required to pay those funds into an escrow account in New York instead. The money would only be released on a monthly basis as Pakistan turns over named terrorists for trials in the United States or a place it designates. This amounts to bribing Pakistan with its own money, but it would work—especially if done in secret.

    Something similar could be done with foreign aid as well as payments from Visa and Mastercard.

    Inside the foreign policy bureaucracy, the complaint has long been that the relationship with Pakistan is “transactional, not strategic.” Attempts to transform the relationship have always failed—and no one tried harder than Admiral Mullen. Why not make it explicitly transactional and get value for our billions

    Pakistan, Our "Friend," Uses Proxy Groups To Attack The U.S. - Forbes
     
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    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    Picked that thread and article from another site. My question is how is it possible for India to have direct route to afghinstan as stated? I don't get it..
     
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    There is a better idea, they can simply bomb Pakistan.
     
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    Adux Senior Member Senior Member

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    There is no India route, the idiot must have seen an Indian approved map of PoK amalgamated into India. Though reality says otherwise. Or does he plan to fly from Jammu to Afghanistan ? Over Pakistani territory ? Berlin Airlift was awesome, but Germans didnt have SAM's, Pakistani's do.

    There are 3 options for USA

    1. Iran Route - Make peace with Iran
    2. Create a state called Balochistan
    3. Use the Central Asian Route
     
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    What if USA outsources supply to India, and then in turn India uses the Iran route to supply the Americans?
    Other option is ofcourse the Chinese route. Would make sense, since most supplies might be coming from china anyways.
     
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    US can do much, but the question is - will they?
     
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    I really doubt that the Pakistanis would have the balls to shoot a USAF plane/chopper. They'd be subdued into giving their airspace for transit within days if it really came to that.
     
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    it pretty much seems a case of this chap going through the indian political map and then forming his opinion, bad research!
     
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    All routes are possible. I'd dare say Pak will be forced to keep it's radars tuned to "star tv" than shoot at American planes. Solving the Iran question is the key. Sets India free as well to have normal ties with the Iranians and not having to please the US once in a while or suffer like we have on the issue of oil payments.

    Balochistan is an option but it's something that can be worked only in the long run not tomorrow or day after. You just can't split a country in a week. The process could have been initiated long back if the US had realized where the real WoT had to be fought.

    CAR is very expensive. It's better to airlift from Jammu.
     
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    already some NATO forces are use Central Asian Route Via Russia........
     
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    wow when the hell did this happen, from the article:

    can someone please post this NYT article.
     
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    Its not Star tv,their radars are we tuned to Indian channels 'Star Plus' and Zee Tv but they don't admit that.
     
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    1: US is inching to make its way into Iran. Making peace would be going back a decade in time with the Iran agenda for US (i.e. regime-changing Iran and tapping into its resources).

    2: The most expensive option. Getting a nuclear-armed Pakistan rid of 40% of its territory is a very, very expensive idea.

    3: Rerouting supplies to Afghanistan is the least expensive option, but not viable if US doesn't plan to stay there for long.

    If US completely snaps its ties with Pakistan, it's terrible news for US forces in Afghanistan. It's not going to make them any safer. It's only going to cement the safe-heaven Pakistan is for terrorists, and the threat of a nuclear conflict will always be hanging over the idea to strike deep inside Pakistan (with US-Pak ties severed).
     
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    Agreed, there is the whole Israel angle to it. USA and Iran cannot mend fences in the near future, but India supply through Iran whatever the US Forces need. India gets all the rebuilding contracts, and supply. Iran gets royalty.

    It is War, and is the most expensive as you have mentioned. It is also the most expensive for India too, I expect the Pakistani's to use the Samson option, even if remain completely and utterly neutral. This might not be a good idea, unless Pakistan is de-nuked.

    Everything remains viable, if Afghan's can rebuild their military and economy. Indians are a vital piece here.

    The threat of nuclear strike will not be for the Americans, Pakistani's cannot reach them, it will be on the Indians.
     
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    The "outsourcing to India" part sounds good, but I'm not sure if our policymakers are up to it.

    If we decide to make a real push towards acting as an intermediary between Iran and the US, it might well be possible!
     
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    And this part is bizarre:

     
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    ^^^ yup that AT&T part makes the whole article devauled , I agree. Its absurd ...
     
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    Gentlemen i have a thought and would like to know your opinions on it..

    We dont have a land border with afghanistan yet.. so there is no question of land route..
    however if we liberate captured kashmir, we would get a border with afghanistan.. this would open whole central asia..we have civilizational and economical relations with afghanistan, tajikistan and other central asian republics..

    navy chief has said that india is like an island state becoz we are landlocked by hostile china and pakistan..
    this gives another reason for us to liberate captured kashmir..

    however that area is mountainous with little infrastructure so it will take some years before we can start trading from that route...
     
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    there is an easier way to access that all important gligit- POK area. MMS had a deal with Musharaff that would make both sides of kashmir a " FREE ECONOMIC ZONE"- which meant India would have access to a direct route into afghanistan. Better option than going to war..
     

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